Rofl your gonna cite RED DAWN as your proof your right? you have got to be kidding.. Its not even based in reality. Its a FICTION movie.
Again you own yourself by your illogical assumption of collaboration with occupying forces. First off its not collaboration for selling food just to want to survive.
Its also not collaboration for just wanting Peace. Again comparing what? dude the US military is not some NAZI force sent to iraq to oppress them. The USA is not ran by a dictator its not ran by More..some brutal regime. We dont have Rape rooms installed by the government But then again I dont think you know much about Iraq or the situation they were under Saddams reign..
Your failed attempt to malign Ficion and reality are quite hillarious... Again theres nothing in American culture that promotes suicide bombings, or these other atrocities. Again but if your basing your whole logic on red dawn dont even bother debating me.... So when you can come back with some rather than a work of Fiction as your source for how americans would fight a war.. You slandered yourself by imposing a work of Fiction as some sort of Factual guide to how to fight a war in america? Or How americans would imply there duties in such an occupation. You slander yourself by repeating a work of Fiction as your sole source of information?

Your so far off its overwhelmingly laughable and quite dishonest and disengious. I find your rhetoric simply erroneous and plain Bologna period. As stated see above RED DAWN= FICTION..

Not one thing in your rant references any factual basesd reality scenario of what would happen in america. And being an American I can blantantly tell you those Kinds of attacks would not be tolerated those people would be hunted down and killed as traitors for carrying out such tactics. Then again I already proved you wrong about the suicide bombing issue no american is going to go blow himself up when he can just pick up a rifle and fight and live another day. Thats the ignorance you have shown. Your vision is myopic/ignorant of how Americans would act not to mention your Diatribe as stated in this whole argument was debunked, defaced, and sent packing.

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What you got pwned admit it your basing your realities on a movie Called Red dawn? its fiction plain and simple you based your assumption of what resistance would be on a movie based in fiction. Are you so weak minded that you cant accept the reality in which the situation you posed arose..

Again referring to me in names also prove smy point calling me a jackazz? lol what your mad because you were proven wrong again what part of US history has told you that americans will go blow themselves up if they are occupied? what part of our history or tradition has suicide bombers in it? Ignore the facts eh or just ignore the reality of the situation which you tried to impose on a so called occupation of america.. Again you inferred occupation implying iraq your very first post.. I responded to you not the other way around you might want to re-read your own before you assume too much.... IN order for there even to be an insurgency you have to have been defeated militarily already.. Common sense went out the window for you.. Theres no possible scenario of an occupation in the USA the nuclear option answers this equation.. Again though still waiting on proof that somehow you think the an occupation of the USA would somehow look like say iraq where people are blowing themselves up and randomly blowing up markets just because people want to go get food? The philosophy/culture/religion behind those insurgents/terrorists are totally different than Ours. we are diabolically opposed in these views.

More proof of your off the can whats this FOX bathers? ever see anything i post 95 percent of my news stories are from BBC I post more ALJAZEERA bs than i have ever posted of Fox news.. Implying that fox news is inherintly evil or bad i dont get your assumption on that as well. Ever heard of timoth mcveigh well duh who in america hasn't I also know the FARMER aka terry nichols the guy that frequented the phillipines and had met with abu sayaaf.. According to phillipine intelligence? Timoth mcveigh was a TERRORIST he was no insurgent he murdered dozens of innocent people. You sir are laughable because your innuendo is ridiculous. Your pearls of knowledge have just been defrocked/debunked and sent scurrying back to there homes of origin.

Enjoy your soda pop and let the big boys handle the isssues.
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Man, there is nothing wrong with a strat. I wanted one so I could change my tone up some. But like I said on the thread, instead of buying a strat, I got married instead! LOL. That's when my wife introduced me to the word "priorities". :)

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Hi C
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H More..A! What a Joker you are! Your Myopia is far worst than I first thought. You are soooo scared of the the reality of thinking "What would you do if this were you" You crawl in to your long winded rant about how everything is related to the war on terror B.S.

Aww did you peep in here to see if your comment was still here??? Yep still here looking as Stupid as it first did when you posted it!

You are not conceited or vain now are you Jester?

Like I made the point clearly in my statement Jackass, WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF THIS WERE YOU? But you're to stupid to answer this complexity! Because you can't can you? It just to dam deep for the likes of you now isn't it. YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH. It's just too hard for you....Now just lie down on the sofa and tell me how long have you had this bed wetting problem? Is the world a really scary place for you? And how long has you Mommy been dressing you? (Yawn) ZZZzzzzzzzzzz Less..

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You write:

"Explain how a nation like the USA could be
invaded
militarily? if you can come up with a plausible
scenario let me know."

So then, perhaps you can entertain a hypothetical
but only on your incessant terms eh?

Fair enough! I'll take your rat poisoned ladened
bait here, reminding you that you yourself asked
for a hypothetical from me!

With the onset of usurpations and gross excesses
of executive powers of which were effectively self
granted unto a sitting President. Where More..by
consolidation of all branches of power in and unto
solely the executive branch has taken its root.
(Sound familiar?)

A Foreign Government fearing the weapons of mass
destruction we posses, and the inevitable likely
hood of severe civil and economic upheaval, makes
haste a plan to intervene Militarily for the sake
of its national interest and security.

This Foreign Government(s) view the usurpation and
amassing of the these powers, as the work of a
tyrannical despot bent on the destruction of any
and all Foreign Governments opposing them
politically and or ideologically . As base,
empirically by evidence of thus imposes its form
of Government upon others under the guise of
puppeteering free form elections. (Sounding more
familiar?)

The Foreign Governments have watched carefully the
moves of this President. And have decided that
this needed action was in the best interest for
the security of international community.

Weary of the threats of Nuclear Holocaust and
Brinkmanship, unnerved by the disregard of
International Law and respect for other nations
Sovereignty. This Foreign Government decides to
invade the United States, and rid the nation of a
dictator that is a grave threat to world peace.

They invade the Nations Capital, and seize the
sitting President, laying claim to the fact that
they are our saviors and liberators and that this
was in the best interest of world peace. And thus
our country was now "open for business"

Now Sir if this were to take place in your land.
To what and to which would you ascribe your
intentions?

Posted very recently by "cobalt187" (R) Portugal
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comment by cobalt187: HA! You are a classic! You
would throw out a book of knowledge for the spec
of dust upon its cover.

You lavish yourself with your overindulgent
ridiculous misuse of the English language to prove
the negative.

So let me put it to you in your language DAT. To
which I'll bet you still won't answer because you
will obfuscate your answer with your political
"But we are the good guys rhetoric."

If an Foreign Power invaded the U.S. hung our
president by his neck and imposed its form of
government upon us WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

Now answer the simple question if you can! Don't
draw out your silly comparative daggers and war on
terror. Just answer the question.

If I draw up a fictional comparative it's ok to
make a fictional hypothesis base on the
hypothetical fiction proposed DAT. You display the
thought process of a classic closed minded drone
when you seem to think that a movie which explores
the reality of human nature based on a
hypothetical situation is irrelevant. When in fact
a lot of what is; for example, Science Fiction
soon becomes Non Fiction.

Are you so entrenched in to a reality that you
cannot make comparatives outside that reality?
You are so into winning this verbal joust it
inflames your passion to prove a hypothetical
wrong, WHEN ITS A HYPOTHETICAL!!! Sheesh get real
is so much you thought mantra you cannot see
beyond your dictionary.

You first come up with the contrived Saddam
comparison; of which, WAS contrived hypothetical
on your part. And then you attack me for the
nonsupport your argument! You Sir are so far right
you are wrong.

Get a life already!

lets see teh first 3 paragraphs a tyrade about the
english lanugage! Nothing important there lets see
the important part about responding to an
invasion.
If my president was Saddam hussein I would have no
problem with them hanging him. If my president had
dropped cyanide, mustard gas, or several other
different weapons on my family then i would have
no problem supporting the power that removed him
from power.

I already answered your question I stated that
fighting the USA would not be the same as the
Insurgents in iraq. There would be NO beheadings,
suicide bombers, market attacks etc... The USA is
a Vast country fictionally speaking please
enlighten me with your invasion scenario.

Explain how a nation like the USA could be invaded
militarily? if you can come up with a plausible
scenario let me know. This whole argument is about
how US citizens would react or fight if they were
so called occupied. I clearly showed the evidence
that the USA is not the middle east. Our
philosophy of fighting does not include
SELF-Sacrifice aka suicide attacks. Or
beheadings..

This is however common pratice over there. Our
worlds are not hte same as I stated and maintain
our combat philosophy or fighting is not the same
as a thug paid by somebody to go carry out
attacks.

What exactly does the war on terror have to do
with you talking about how americans would fight
if they are occupied? hello your whole base in
argument is implied by what our enemies do your
implying that thats what we would do if somebody
invaded US.

Again you cannot Compare US in iraq to say the
NAZIS invading poland.. Were not in iraq to
oppress the IRAQIS or to lay out living space.. Im
sorry its not close minded to ACCEPT REALITY..
SUICIDE BOMBINGS ARE EVIL= period, beheading
people just because= evil.

Im not gonna rationalize the action of evil men..
When you start to justify said actions you doom
yourself



GIfelte fish or puddin?

There you go again! You just can't release
yourself from the fixation of "Saddam"

This proves my point concisely! You just can't do
it can you?

HA! You suffer from myopia so badly you can't even
see it! Funny! I've never ran into someone that
had myopia so bad they were blind to boot!

Not only can you not confront a hypothetical with
objective honesty, you are in fact proving
yourself incapable of it at all.

Wow dude, you need help! I'm sure there is
medicine out there somewhere for your poor
condition, perhaps I could help you look,! But
then you still wouldn't take it even knowing it'd
make you feel better now would you?

And to this end shall your fate lay sprawled upon
the mount of destitute.

I have no problems with conceding the reality, and
fictional contrast you draw, albeit, lack luster
in its impact to your prove your point and mine.
But only if you makes you feel more valued!
Posted 1 hour ago by "cobalt187" (R) Portugal
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Jackazz, as you aptly put it, is a mere depiction
of your stubbornness; not unlike a donkey, to
concede any point regardless of its relevance or
validity.

You have no balance of equations here because you
already know that if you were to simply answer the
question, as starkly simple as it is. You know
where it would lead next now don't you? This my
friend is where you get off the truth and on to
your own ill contrived ideology.

It is this self apparent truth that you wish not
to concede. You think that when you've taken the
last hope of a father by the killing off his
family, as you simply shrug your shoulders saying
the words "Collateral Damage!" That he
will never subjugate the entirety himself to
assure your total destruction even if it means his
own?

Do you lack the foresight to see if this situation
were reversed to what depths of vengeance would a
man reach?

Are you so blind and willfully ignorant to the
volition of man? And his refusal to be controlled
by the likes of you?

HA! Who are you? By what authority do derive your
reasons to conquer and control the volitions of
men? Fear? Is that it? That's all you got??? Fear?
At what point do you become the enemy you fight
against? You will not admit to the obviousness of
your internal conflict because to do that would
reveal your own hypocrisy! And that is the truest
essence of your deep seated fear.

Truth is your "Terror."

Hypocrisy are your watch words! For it is better
to oppress you than for you to oppress me, is the
mantra and core of your reasons.

How do you know what you look like DAT? Don't you
depend on a reflection? Well if the world were
similar; that being, you only learn about yourself
through the reflective interactions with others,
what would you say the world is telling you? If
you were to take a man and lock him in isolation
for twenty years he would he not emerge with
invisible friends and would be of unsound mind? Do
humans not deeply need these interaction and the
reflections therein? It is in this way that the
outside world is showing you your reflection. Now
it then becomes, if you can see past your own
conceit to see it, will you then appreciate its
truth.

Your endless diatribe of malapropisms to prove a
wrong has met its end. I expect no concessionary
tales by the likes of you and your ilk. You wear
the filth so well, there is none who can say you
hath no clothes?
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Hi C, just wanted to thank you for your kind words on my first video, it really means a lot. :)

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Ron Paul is a cause worth donating time too. Thank you for the kind comments!

Let's keep the pressure on and get Ron Paul elected!

Peace!

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Historians and pundits who leap aboard the
bandwagon of American Empire have forgotten a
little too quickly that for an empire to be born,
a republic has first to die.

Restore the constitution.


Happy Holidays!

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Happy New Year!!!

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"So where does it end with you JK?"

From one question I pose another

Where did it start for you cobalt187?

Questions are easy to ask

You Lack the ability to answer

My Country Needs Leaders

Not Someone To Sit Back and just HOPE the radicals won't attack

Not someone to sit back and let the schools of hate Continue To BRAINWASH

Not sit back and watch islam continue to destroy humanity


However you must know even before 911 and Bush and OIL
muslims Hated Americ More..a HATED ALL KUFFAR ALL INFIDELS

OLD PRE OIL islamic writings teach to HATE US

islamic writings were against us as soon as our

forefathers signed the Declaration of Independence

Just back then the WORLD WAS WAY BIGGER and the sword of islam could NOT reach us

given islamic history
given the LONG LIST of conflicts in islam

YOUR WAY OFF IF YOU THOUGHT islam WAS PEACFUL AND WOULD NEVER OF ATTACKED US

AND YOUR WAY OFF IF YOU THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL BACK ron paul

I think he got only 8% in NH
wow what great support

Also you claim to know how many more terrorists there are in the world

Please prove there are TWICE as many

I know there is LESS than there was

about 650,000 THOUSAND LESS OF THE jihadists SCUM BAGS Less..

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Cobalt, you are one stupid bastard. Do you get all of your material from movies like Red Dawn?

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ola tuga

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More.. I figured as much from you JK! Answer a question
with a question and of course misconstrue and
malign what anyone says to suit your negatives.

I know a lot about Islam, and I never once made
declaration counter to its insidiousness to
radicalize all potential would be followers. But
that is true of all religious ideologies. You
trumpet the figure 650,000 human lives lost as
scum, as less than human, as of lesser worth than
you to exist.

So what then shall we say? Islam has a following
of 1.8 Billion People JK! How many of them do you
propose need slaughtered so you feel safe?

Don't you get it? Look, you are actually funding
the resurgence of their faith by the very
consumption of Oil from the very region you now
occupy.

"Starting in the mid-1970s the Islamic
resurgence was funded by an abundance of money
from Saudi Arabian oil exports. The $10s of
billions of dollars in "petro-Islam"
largess obtained from the recently heightened
price of oil funded an estimated "90% of the
expenses of the entire faith"

So here you are fighting for what exactly?
Freedom? Their Freedom? Knowing all about their
radicalism as you seem to indicate, how exactly do
you suppose thats going to work?

Or perhaps it is for your freedom in which you
fight, but were you not free already?

No wait! Perhaps you fight for the right of Iraqis
to choose their own tyrannical dictator, yet again
eh?
There is a reason why Saddam was such a ruthless
brute amongst his peers JK. As it is a cult
debased of humanity's value and instead fixated on
a perversion of virtue over that of innocence and
the intrinsic value of a human life.

Nonetheless, lets get down to the very heart of
which you lay out your ideals with regards to
such. "IF" Islam is a true religion of
hate; as you so believe, are you prepared to kill
every believer of the faith? Because that is
really what you will need to do to truly rid the
world of radical Islam....Right?

As this is really what you are proposing, veiled
behind are your anti-Islamic rhetoric. With your
very avatars name you make your enemy clear, as
well as how you see your roll in that objective.

And then the question becomes who then is really
the Radical here JK? Them, or you?

Inject some balance to your view Jk, as it is you
that is out so far in right field that you are
wrong.

As for proving you've twice the amount of enemies
as you had beforehand.....I can concede that
having a hard number on that is difficult if not
totally impossible. But to prove my
(albeit)assumption herein, answer these questions.
Would you with honesty admit that you have; by
your countries actions, made more friends in the
Middle East, or less? Would you say that by your
countries actions you have inflamed the
populations of Islamic nations, or won them over?
Would you say that your nations conduct abroad has
made you a more safe nation, or unsafe nation?

I don't expect that you would actually answer any
of these questions, outright and honestly! Because
I don't think you would be capable of seeing past
your own world view to be this honest and
forthright concerning such. But should I be wrong;
to which I'd welcome regarding you, perhaps you
are capable of rethinking your postulated
positions and thereby can indeed formulate a more
realistic contrast of balance in your view. To
which I would deeply commend!

But as it is, you are fighting both ends JK. As
surely as your war machines burn up the fuel and
oil, you then will be forced to buy more from the
very people you are now occupying and fighting
making them all the more your enemies. They have
other customers to which they could sell to as the
value of your dollar plummets. You have no right
to their oil, and you can't make it yours by
force. You can only make matters worse by your
countries actions. You give them motive for Jihad,
and by the reckless actions of the U.S. you give
many of them their only true assurance of entering
Gods Rest by being the very object of their Jihad.
If you think this is fine, then just openly
advocate death to all Islam, and become just as
Radicalized as they of whom you ridicule and rail
against.

There is another way JK, if only you could see past the commonality of hate to which both you and Islam share for one another. I'm sure it sounds really good though; rolling off your tongue, but humanity is a fragile thing and things can change in an instant. To what cause do you live? For the death of others? Then how are you any better that them that plot the death of ye? Ah but alive and they not?

Surely, but what awaits your actions when you are finished? Blow Back perhaps? Is it not this now?

How then do you increase in good and not evil by such? And again how then do you measure yourself as being more worthy to live than they?

Yes, I ask questions, but I have too? Not because I don't have answers, but because you do not. Less..

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