http://www.liveleak.com/browse?q=FFL Tue, 18 Jun 2013 00:54:50 -0400 Liveleak http://edge.liveleak.com/80281E/u/u/ll2/logo.gif http://www.liveleak.com/browse?q=FFL Mon, 22 Apr 2013 02:24:47 -0400 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b3d_1366611215 OvercomeMindlessness Warning Gun Talk Ahead: Has any of these lawmakers ever tried to purchase a firearm online or at a gunshow? I've done both! And yes, there are already laws that make me take a Federal background check with the purchase of a firearm online or at a gunshow. Thats why that silly bill that requires mandatory background checks of online and gunshow firearm purchases didn't get passed this last week, because those laws already exist!!! Oh, and when you buy a firearm online, you have to have it shipped not to your door, but to a Federal Firearm License holder (typically a gun store, gun store owners all have their FFL). When you go to pick up your firearm purchase from the gun store you had it shipped to ITS ALREADY THE LAW that they perform a Federal Background check upon pick-up. Its amazing how out of touch lawmakers are with the laws that already exist! On a side note: The fear is "unregistered, unregulated firearms", right? Thats the ideology behind creating more laws to prevent unregistered, unregulated firearms from existing and getting into the hands of criminals, right? Laws that only law-abiding citizens will have to follow because by nature criminals do not follow laws. Well anyway, I live in something called the "real-world" and in this world, internationally, and yes here in America too, there are already millions of unregistered, unregulated firearms! And no matter what laws are created here in the U.S., there will always be criminals and there will always be millions of unregistered, unregulated firearms that will be illegally shipped into our borders by criminals. Remember: criminals do not follow laws, pretty scary huh? Thats why I own firearms, home-defense wouldn't make sense without one. An Unregistered, unregulated firearm isn't a "golden ticket" for these criminals to a commit crime with complete anonymity and immunity to the laws! Gun-phobes want you to believe that a criminal unregistered, unregulated firearms can kill without consequence! Not in my country! America is beautiful, America already knows how to handle criminals that commit crimes with firearms, and if you commit a crime with a firearm in this country, the law will always find ya and the law will always get ya! (or at least making your life hell by always looking for ya!) Anybody that commits a crime with a firearm is going to suffer the penalty of the United States Justice System! So whats really the agenda? To disarm Americans? To negotiate out our constitutional rights? To put our constitution and the rights guaranteed to us by the Bill of Rights on the "chopping-block"? If the 2nd amendment goes, whats next? What other right(s) guaranteed to us by our constitution will be viewed as irrelevant and be next on the chopping-block? I love this country, and I would HATE to see any or all of our constitutional rights stripped away. God Bless the men and women who fight and die in defense of our Country and our Constitution! God Bless America!. Thanks for reading. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b3d_1366611215 OvercomeMindlessness Firearms, Firearms, Firearms! Firearms, guns, babes, constitution, america, usa, u.s., us, laws, law, yoursay, weapons, defense, Thu, 11 Apr 2013 07:48:22 -0400 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c12_1365680781 LostRothschild Not only will taxes make it harder for the poor to buy guns (and statistically speaking, the poor are the most frequent victims of crime AND the least likely to own guns), but it will also will harm sport shooting. I mean do they really think that raising the cost of ammunition will affect criminals that much? National Review: On bullet and gun taxes 'I'm not asking to take away people's guns," Maryland legislator Jon Cardin nervously told Politico this week. "I'm just saying that for an activity that is relatively dangerous, obviously, people who participate in that activity should pay the full costs of that activity." America, witness a guileful new tactic of the gun-control movement. Cardin (a nephew of U.S. Senator Ben Cardin, a Maryland Democrat), who wishes "to tax bullets at 50 percent," was outlining an increasingly popular progressive idea: If you can't regulate something, why not tax it in lieu? Similar proposals - by which states impose specific levies on purchases of firearms and assorted peripheral items - are now being considered in California, Nevada, and New Jersey; and in Chicago, which city has apparently learned nothing from the very public slap on the wrist that 2010's McDonald v. Chicago delivered, a $25-per-firearm "fee" was just put into effect. Other states already assess charges on guns - including Massachusetts, where Mitt Romney infamously raised rates by 400 percent (from $25 to $100) while governor. Such measures have traditionally been justified on grounds of economic necessity or, more candidly, as a way of limiting gun sales. The "participants should pay" card is a new one. As a matter of general principle, I'm not wild about the modern tendency to reduce the value of everything in society to the sum of its externalities. Liberty has a value in and of itself and, in America, it is codified stridently and without caveat into our highest laws. Still, while attempts to measure how much freedom we "need" are usually fruitless and invariably inconsistent, they are, unfortunately, likely to increase. The closer we edge toward socialized medicine for all - and the more that we expand the scope of its consequence-blunting bedfellows in the welfare system - the worse the temptation will get. If the state is on the hook for your behavior, it has greater incentive and justification to regulate it. As I learned in Britain over my first 26 years, whether it is drinking and smoking, eating red meat or salt, snacking on grapes in a vehicle, or having any other form of private fun that gets a bad name among the neo-puritans of the modern Left, the government needs only to issue the magic words "public health" and a cast of fashionable acolytes will rush to its side to be censorious on cue. The idea is not total bunk, of course. Leviathan or no Leviathan, our unalienable rights do have externalities. But the thing is: Almost everything does. Speech, as Sonny Bunch has observed, can be dangerous. After all, "newspapers advocated for war in their editorial pages . . . and reported false intelligence to the masses." Elections are expensive, too, he notes: "What about a modest, $25/vote tax on those who wish to exercise their rights in such locales"? Bunch's tongue is firmly in his cheek but his overarching point is strong: When it comes to our basic rights, the rule of thumb is that as little as possible should be put in the way of their exercise. The Second Amendment is often treated differently from the other component parts of the Bill of Rights, but it damn well shouldn't be. Unless you consider that the right to bear arms is less important in a republic than is the right to vote - which I most decidedly do not - then putting a special tax on firearms is no less outrageous than putting a tax on voting. Why one but not the other? (The inconsistency here is outrageous: Sex has negative externalities, too. Let's see how using that as a justification for regulation goes . . . ) This being a matter of basic principle, for once there is no need for an endless dissection of the Constitution's meaning. The states in question do not tax only certain guns and bullets but all guns and bullets - including those that nobody disputes are fully subject to constitutional protection. Given that federal law prohibits Americans from buying handguns across state lines without incurring expensive FFL (federal firearms license) transfer fees - and that states tend to regulate the nature of other out-of-state gun purchases - this gives the residents of those states no option but to pay the taxes if they wish to exercise their basic right to keep and bear arms. This is unacceptable and it is capricious, and if you want to see just how indefensible it is on principle, try asking someone who claims that voter IDs are an improper obstacle to voting why they simultaneously support taxes on firearms. The measures are downright useless, to boot. Whatever the apostles of taxation might have you believe, "fees" do have the effect of "taking away guns," because they severely limit the ability of the poor to buy them. Wealthier gun owners, meanwhile, continue to buy guns as they did before but end up paying a little more to do so. And criminals? They remain unaffected. As the Los Angeles Times observes: A 5 percent tax on a $300 handgun amounts to an extra $15. A person bent on mass murder would hardly be discouraged by a low gun tax, and it would take many years for the higher retail costs to filter down to the criminal market in second-hand guns; moreover, a criminal who needs a gun as a primary tool of his trade would hardly be put off by a slightly higher price. Too much of that sort of reasonable argument, and I'll have to conclude that the L.A. Times has something against America's children. The setup is even more risible when it comes to bullets. As Kelly Phillips of Forbes observes, to believe that such taxes will do anything to reduce crime requires one to suspend one's disbelief to a frightening degree and to argue that criminals are likely to think: "Well, I would kill both of those folks but that extra five cents on the second victim would just be too much. I have to save up this month." Fewer than 10 percent of criminals convicted for gun offenses buy their weapons in shops. As taxes are levied only in shops - not on the street - law-abiding gun owners end up "paying" for the consequences of behavior that the vast majority of them would never countenance, while the bad eggs escape tax-free. Jon Cardin's claim that "people who participate in activity should pay the full costs of that activity" is disingenuous in the extreme. What Cordin is suggesting is akin to taxing potatoes to pay for the consequences of potato guns. Those who create the externalities are not paying much at all; that honor, as ever, falls to their victims. entire article: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/345160/tax-freedom-charles-c-w-cooke?pg=2 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c12_1365680781 LostRothschild tax as gun control. 2, 2nd, second, amendment, gun, firearm, rights, constitution, tyranny, freedom Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:35:18 -0400 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=49d_1365629093 LostRothschild Would Adam Lanza's mother have failed a background check? The lunatic's mother bought her guns from an FFL dealer, so she passed a background check. The Newtown lunatic stole the guns. Background checks wouldn't have helped there, because the guns were stolen . 2012 Aurora theatre lunatic, purchased a Glock 22 pistol at a Gander Mountain shop in Aurora, and six days later bought a Remington Model 870 shotgun at a Bass Pro Shops in Denver. On June 7, just hours after failing his oral exam at the university, he purchased a Smith &amp; Wesson M&amp;P15 semi-automatic rifle, with a second Glock 22 pistol following on July 6. All the weapons were bought legally, after he passed each background check. Background checks didn't help there. 2011 Tucson (Gabrielle Giffords) lunatic, had two previous offenses, one of which was for drug possession, and had attempted to enlist in 2008 but his application had been rejected as "unqualified" for service. Police reports reveal he had purchased a Glock pistol at a Sportsman's Warehouse store, after passing the required FBI background check. Background checks didn't help there. Tuscon sheriff's department opted to NOT send him for a psych eval. when they had arrested him. (Think that might have helped?) It is massively dishonest to demand additional legislation when the current laws aren't even being enforced in a meaningful manner. "Democratic leaders also argue any bill they put on the floor will represent a substantial improvement in gun safety." Notice how it is now "gun safety", since gun control and public safety have been soundly debunked and destroyed. While I despise the anti's and their agenda, I have to admire their tenacity and ability to continually spin their message in a different direction when they lose. "Nevertheless, Democratic leaders have determined it's a risk they need to take if they want to pass substantive legislation to respond to the mass shootings that have plagued the nation in recent years" oh... it's a RESPONSE to the shootings; not something that will do anything, in any way, to keep such a thing from happening again. I got it now. Bring on the house of reps! From Breitbart: "...President Obama spent Tuesday making phone calls to Republicans and Democrats, trying to garner support for the bill. Eleven family members of the Newtown tragedy were flown to Washington DC on Monday to help with the lobbying efforts. A main point of contention is the kind of background checks to be included in the legislation. Democrats want to force a vote on the background checks proposed by Chuck Schumer (D-NY) which passed the Senate Judiciary along partisan lines. Senator Manchin (D-W.Va.) was still negotiating with Senator Pat Toomey (R-PA) to work on the language of the bill. Toomey and Manchin will hold a press conference at 11amET today to discuss their deal, which has the blessing of Schumer. If the gun control legislation does make it to the floor, there is no guarantee the legislation will ultimately pass. ..." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (CNN) - Sens. Joe Manchin, D-West Virginia, and Patrick J. Toomey, R-Pennsylvania, plan to announce a bipartisan deal on background checks for gun shows and Internet sales at an 11 a.m. press conference today, CNN's Dana Bash has learned. A Democratic leadership source says the compromise will likely be the first amendment to gun legislation being considered, after the Senate votes to begin the gun debate Thursday. READ MORE: CNN Poll: Popular background checks also cause worry The breakthrough background check agreement is a key part of gun legislation. Because it has been struck by two senators with strong support from the NRA, they hope to find the 60 votes that will be needed to overcome opposition to pass their amendment The senate is expected to debate gun legislation for at least two weeks. Democrats believe as many as a dozen GOP senators will vote with them, making up for the handful of pro-gun Democrats who might vote against beginning debate on the bill. Fourteen Republicans promise to filibuster taking up the measure. Several Republican senators told CNN Tuesday they would only vote to begin debate on the bill if they were assured by Democrats they would be allowed to offer amendments to the legislation. Democratic leaders want to give senators from both parties ample opportunities to amend the bill and are prepared to debate it beyond a scheduled recess the first week in May, if doing so will increase the chances of passage. "The way you put together a coalition to pass the bill is to allow as many amendment votes as you can. We are willing to take the time to do that and have that process," the aide said. Those negotiators will now have more time to find common ground on language, since the gun debate is expected to be lengthy. Democratic leaders also argue any bill they put on the floor will represent a substantial improvement in gun safety. Many of those additional votes could be politically difficult for centrist Democrats, especially those up for re-election in red states, as Republicans are expected to craft amendments designed to put those senators on the spot. Nevertheless, Democratic leaders have determined it's a risk they need to take if they want to pass substantive legislation to respond to the mass shootings that have plagued the nation in recent years. "Once we're on it we want to have an open process where there are a lot of votes and we really work through that," the aide said. - CNN's Ted Barrett contributed to this report. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=49d_1365629093 LostRothschild Deal reached on background checks in Senate 2, 2nd, second, amendment, gun, firearm, rights, constitution, tyranny, freedom Fri, 31 Dec 2010 06:02:54 -0500 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=edb_1293792575 HydrogenEconomy http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/12/robert-farago/atf-creates-a-new-category-criminal-friendly-ffl/ ATF Creates a New Category: "Criminal Friendly FFL" Posted on December 30, 2010 by Robert Farago This website has repeatedly attacked the idea that "trace guns" are the same as "crime guns." The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (and Really Big Fires) encourages every U.S. law enforcement agency-and now our allies abroad-to run an ATF trace on every single gun they encounter, regardless of its source. If the cops recover a stolen gun that wasn't used in a crime, it's still traced through the ATF. The ATF lumps it in with all the other traced guns. The media can't be bothered to make a distinction between traced guns and the ATF ain't sayin' nothing 'bout 'dat. Their silence speaks volumes. Here's another example of the ATF's bias against gun dealers in high crime areas and generally. It's from a presentation to foreign governments called Every Guns Tells a Story, explaining the ATF's eTrace system to our "partners" . . . Click here to download the whole document. Check slide number 39, Potential Firearms Tracking Indicators: oIdentify FFL's in your Area Who May Cater to Criminals oBy utilizing the Top Source Dealer report, you can potentially identify FFL's who are known as a criminal friendly FFL oUse Search for Transactions and select all transactions to pull multiple sales, and FFL thefts for the FFL to determine if any of the multiple purchases are ending up being involved in gang crime (ATF/TFO). It may be a small point, and it may not, but since when are targets of investigations called "criminal" by a federal agency without charges being filed? Clearly, this cavalier conclusion reflects a cultural bias against gun dealers within the ATF. - http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com/2010/12/more-from-nssf-on-proposed-atf-long-gun.html 1.Multiple sales reporting of long guns will actually make it more difficult for licensed retailers to help law enforcement as traffickers modify their illegal schemes to circumvent the reporting requirement. Traffickers will go further underground, hiring more people to buy their firearms. This will make it much harder for retailers to identify and report suspicious behavior to law enforcement. 2.Long guns are rarely used in crime (Bureau of Justice Statistics). 3.Imposing multiple sales-reporting requirements for long guns would further add to the already extensive paperwork and record-keeping requirements burdening America's retailers - where a single mistake could cost them their license and even land them in jail. 4.Last year, ATF inspected 2,000 retailers in border states and only two licenses were revoked (0.1%). These revocations were for reasons unknown and could have had nothing to do with illicit trafficking of guns; furthermore, no dealers were charged with any criminal wrongdoing. 5.According to ATF, the average age of a firearm recovered in the United States is 11 years old. In Mexico it's more than 14 years old. This demonstrates that criminals are not using new guns bought from retailers in the states. 6.Congress, when it enacted multiple sales reporting for handguns, could have required multiple sales of long guns - it specifically chose not to. More From NSSF On Proposed ATF Long Gun Reporting The NSSF posted this yesterday on their blog: More on ATF Multiple Sales Reporting December 29, 2010 By Larry Keane An editorial in today's Washington Post discussed the recent decision by ATF to require federally licensed firearms retailers along the Southwest border to report multiple sales, or other dispositions, of most semi-automatic rifles. Specifically this would impact .22 caliber or larger semi-automatic rifles that are capable of accepting a detachable magazine and are purchased by the same individual within five consecutive business days. Though the Post supports this ill-advised proposal, it did acknowledge the legitimacy surrounding one of industry's objections: "When reports of its plan surfaced, the administration came under immediate attack from the gun rights lobby. The National Shooting Sports Foundation, the firearms industry trade association, argued that the administration lacked the legal authority to demand data on rifles and shotguns. It has a point: While Congress authorized the ATF to collect information on handgun sales, it declined to extend the requirement to long guns. A court is likely to be asked to decide whether demand letters may be used to shake loose this information ..." NSSF continues to oppose multiple sales reporting of semi-automatic rifles. Such reporting requirements will actually make it more difficult for licensed retailers to help law enforcement as traffickers modify their illegal schemes to circumvent the reporting requirement. Traffickers will go further underground, hiring more people to buy their firearms. This will make it much harder for retailers to identify and report suspicious behavior to law enforcement. - 'guns turn kids into criminals'... http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/12/robert-farago/indianapolis-star-young-people-might-become-violent-criminals-only-because-of-easy-access-to-deadly-weapons/ Indianapolis Star: "Young people might become violent criminals only because of easy access to deadly weapons" Posted on December 30, 2010 by Robert Farago U.S. gun rights advocates are ascendent. While this summer's Supreme Court ruling incorporating the Second Amendment didn't settle the question-"reasonable restrictions" this you rat-fink robed reprobates-the Tea Party-strengthened regulatory roll-back continues. Needless to say, this does not please the media gatekeepers. Once upon a time, this predominantly white college-educated liberal elite could say "Shutupayouface" to gun rights readers, knowing their newspaper (remember newspapers?) was the only game in town. With the advent of the internet, mainstream media mavens have to respect their readers' opinions. The resulting tension-between what the writers "know" to be right and the groundswell of opinion against that presumption-makes for some unintentional hilarity. To wit this from indystar.com: The man who loves to sell guns says it's Indiana law we ought to hate, and he has a point. That would not be to exonerate Don Davis for making it to the number three spot in the nation for sales of firearms that are later used in crimes - no fewer than 1,910 guns in the past four years. But there's no question state law bears some blame for the heavy role Don's Guns plays in so-called straw purchases - made by customers with clean records who resell them on the street. In Indiana, there's no limit on the number of guns anyone can buy at a time. This particular strain of media misegos arose after the Washington Post launched its series The Secret Life of Guns, naming and not-at-all shaming gun dealers with a large number of ATF traces. Local papers saw the misleading data (many of the ATF "trace guns" were not tied to gun crimes) as a news peg, a chance to punch their "we care about crime" liberal ticket by going after their hometown gun dealer. That's an idea that sounds great over a soy mocha half caf frappucino in the editorial board room, but doesn't please people who really like their local gun dealer. Which, in most cases, would be all of the dealer's customers. So the Indianapolis Star's editorial board blames Don's Guns for its spot on the misleading gun trace hit parade. But not really. But a little. It gets worse. Citing his success and his multimillionaire status, Davis makes no apologies for his lofty ranking in a recent Washington Post survey, which follows a gun-control organization's study from the 1990s that placed him second in the country. "The problem is with Indiana law," he told The Star's John Tuohy. "Once people leave here, they can sell to anyone they want." That's true enough. What is contested by gun-control advocates - and by some academic experts and law enforcement officials - is his contention that straw purchasers don't bring their illegitimate cohorts into the store but instead come in alone and then resell their guns out in the world where he can't detect them. Sorry guys, you lost me. First, no, a person who buys a firearm at Don's Guns can leave the store and sell it to anyone he or she wants. It is illegal, for example, to sell or even give a gun to a felon. Deflect all you want big guy (if Don did indeed duck and dive using this argument), but methinks Don knows that. As should the editorialist. True enough my tuchus. As for the "debate" over whether or not straw purchasers bring their illegitimate cohorts into a gun store, that's a new one on me. Has anyone ever suggested doing a criminal background check on people walking into a gun store? Is there any state where felons are prohibited from darkening the dealer's door? It gets worse. It's extremely difficult to catch stores abetting straw purchases in any case, an expert told The Star. And the argument would be less relevant if Indiana restricted quantities sold at one time. To do so would not violate Second Amendment rights to possess firearms for hunting and self-defense. It would discourage the flow of guns into the hands of criminals and of young people who might become violent criminals only because of easy access to deadly weapons. Whenever the press cites "an expert" you know they're making shit up. In this case, they're making shit up and diving down the rabbit hole. Young people become violent criminals ONLY because of easy access to deadly weapons? He was a good boy. A hard-working student and model citizen. He never touched alcohol or drugs. Helped out at the church. And then . . . someone offered him a gun. Is it me or does that seriously screwy scenario smack of both condescension and racism? Never mind. The paper has some more suggestions for ameliorating Don's ill-gotten gains. So would background checks for buyers from private dealers at gun shows, now not required. So would waiting periods for rifles, shotguns and most assault-style weapons, also not a state mandate. "I don't want to make any money, folks; I just love to sell guns," Davis says in TV commercials that have made him nationally known. He has, in fact, made a lot of money in a business that has exacted a great cost. Would it hurt to make his home state a bit less lovable? Personally, I don't think anyone on the Indianapolis Star's editorial board should be able to purchase or own a firearm. They are patently, willfully insane. I dealt with the unconstitutionality of the waiting period problem yesterday. Suffice it to say, any writer who asks readers to help make their state less lovable, even metaphorically, is on a hiding to nowhere. Thank God. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=edb_1293792575 HydrogenEconomy ATF's new category: &quot;criminal friendly <span class="highlight">FFL</span>&quot;/6 reasons atf is FOS on mexico &amp; long guns atf,criminal,friendly,ffl Thu, 24 Mar 2011 13:54:02 -0400 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=558_1300987640 HydrogenEconomy lost one or more weapons.. human engineering....kevin mitnick would be proud (but he did federal time for it getting passwords, hacking, etc.)...this is a public agency bearing the force of state law. In a police state. +L.A. food police ban burger joints +Smoking banned in low income apartments http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-seattle/wa-state-patrol-issues-mea-culpa-letter-over-ar-15-flap The Washington State Patrol has issued a mea culpa letter that acknowledges the agency "clearly caused concern" among Evergreen State firearms dealers over a request that they provide names, addresses and other information about every AR-15 sale since last July 1. The letter (see complete text below) comes after more than 200 messages flooded the voice mailbox of a WSP detective who was working on the case of a missing AR-15 rifle that - as this column suggested here - was a WSP-owned rifle. The WSP letter has been reproduced on the Seattleguns.net forum here. Good afternoon, You all have likely received e-mails and/or phone calls from constituents who are questioning why the Washington State Patrol is inquiring about recent gun sales, specifically involving AR-15 rifles. The WSP has a rifle that is unaccounted for from our inventory and we cannot discount the possibility that it was stolen. Out of an abundance of caution, we opened a criminal investigation and entered the weapon into the statewide computer system as stolen. As we do in virtually every investigation, we sought information from people we considered knowledgeable, in this case, licensed gun dealers. The letter to dealers was simply a request for cooperation, and there is no legal requirement for the dealers to provide such information. This is no different than when we canvass the area of a crime seeking information that may assist in solving the case. We clearly have caused concern as to our intentions with those involved in gun sales. We sincerely regret any alarm that was caused or confusion about our motive. We are not creating any sort of registry of these transactions; we are merely trying to solve this specific case. We are still interested in receiving information about this missing weapon, and are asking anyone who has knowledge of unusual transactions, involving AR-15s or their components to provide that information to the WSP. Our Criminal Investigation Division is working with the National Rifle Association (NRA) to provide clarification regarding the initial letter and the reasoning behind the request. We hope that resolves the concern from the NRA and puts their members at ease. We are also actively engaged with the media on this topic in an effort to provide transparency. Thank you, "Service With Humility" Captain Jason Berry Government and Media Relations According to WSP Lt. Charles LeBlanc, the agency will now send a letter to all firearms dealers in the state that contains the serial number of the missing rifle, in the event someone tries to sell it or bring it in for other work. In this follow-up letter, the WSP will be "asking for" dealer assistance in finding the missing rifle or the person who took it. The letter will make it clear that dealers are under no obligation to provide information on other gun sales. LeBlanc was initially contacted last Thursday by Miko Tempski, an attorney on the staff of the Bellevue-based Second Amendment Foundation, after several alarmed and angry retailers from all over the state began calling SAF for advice on how to respond to the original letter, which asked for the following information: Please provide the following information: . Any and all documents/lists of sales of any AR-15 from July 1, 2010 to present. . Any and all documents of sales of any AR-15 lower receiver from July 1, 2010 to present. . Any and all documents/lists of sales of any AR-15 your company purchased from a private party. . Any and all names, date of births, addresses, phone numbers, date of transaction and serial number from the purchaser. One such letter was reproduced on the Northwest Firearms forum here and ignited a furious discussion among Northwest gun owners speculating about the WSP's motives and intentions. This column initially discussed the WSP inquiry here, and it garnered a surprising number of hits from the Facebook forum. There was a follow-up yesterday, prior to WSP's mea culpa note. SAF immediately began asking dealers for copies of the letter, and now has a stack of them, signed by WSP Capt. Michael Dahl with the agency's Criminal Investigations Division. The detective conducting the actual investigation is Tacoma-based Juli Gundermann, who did not return calls to this column. Lt. LeBlanc suggested that she was simply overwhelmed by the number of calls in her inbox, which numbered just over 240 when she arrived at her office Monday morning. Dealers also began calling the Seattle office of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, demanding to know what was going on. ATF spokeswoman Cheryl Bishop insisted to this column that her agency was caught completely off-guard by the flap. "They didn't consult us," Bishop said about the original WSP letter, which was dated March 9. Yesterday, the National Rifle Association got involved and issued an alert to its members, asserting that WSP was on an "apparent fishing expedition." (This column chatted with NRA News Monday evening about the controversy.) It seems preposterous to the NRA that the WSP would conceivably request this massive amount of sensitive data, in a search for ONE AR-15! It is the NRA's view that there must be more to this story, a lot more. The NRA has placed two phone calls into the WSP today in search of clarifying information but has yet to receive any response on the matter. The NRA has also followed up with a letter of inquiry which notes that dealers are under no obligation to comply with the request.-NRA Alert Gun dealers from Seattle to Spokane began calling their state legislators, who are currently in session in Olympia. Sources confirm that State Patrol Chief John Batiste began hearing from lawmakers almost immediately. The missing rifle is a semiautomatic, according to LeBlanc. He said the agency does not have any full-auto AR-15s. He would not say from where the gun was apparently taken, but did acknowledge that the investigation is looking for a specific name to pop up in a transaction; apparently pointing them to a suspect they are already looking at. - http://soundpolitics.com/archives/014700.html To Whom It May Concern Rep. Matt Shea (R-4) sent out an alert today containing the text of the letter below. In the letter, the Washington State Patrol is making blanket requests to gun dealers "across the state" for all AR-15 sales -- including all names, addresses, and phone numbers of purchasers -- for the past year. Certainly, there is no obligation to comply with such a letter, and any dealer who did so would likely not have happy customers if they found out. But, as Shea wrote, "this apparent overreach of the Washington State Patrol" is troubling. To Whom It May Concern: This letter is to certify that Detective Juli Gundermann, #1113, is a commissioned officer with the Washington State Patrol (WSP), currently assigned to the Criminal Investigation Division. Detective Gundermann is currently investigating a missing/stolen AR-15. In order to conduct a thorough investigation, Detective Gundernann is requesting information. Please provide the following information: * Any and all documents/lists of sales of any AR-15 from July 1, 2010 to present. * Any and all documents/lists of sales of any AR-15 lower receiver from July 1, 2010 to present. * Any and all documents/lists of sales of any AR-15 your company purchased from a private party. * Any and all names, date of births, addresses, phone numbers, date of transaction and serial number from the purchaser. - http://www.seattlepi.com/local/437593_guns15.html?source=rss Lawmakers: State Patrol letter to gun dealers out of line By CHRIS GRYGIEL SEATTLEPI.COM STAFF Three dozen state lawmakers want the State Patrol to explain why it sought detailed information from gun dealers about all sales of a specific semi-automatic rifle since July of last year without seeking a court order. The State Patrol on March 9 sent a letter to dealers, saying it was investigating a "missing/stolen" AR-15. Investigators sought: # Any and all documents/lists of sales of any AR-15 from July 1, 2010, to present; # Any and all documents/lists of sales of any AR-15 lower receiver from July 1, 2010, to present; # Any and all documents/lists of sales of any AR-15 gun dealers purchased from a private party; and # Any and all names, dates of birth, addresses, phone numbers, dates of transaction and serial number from the purchaser. In a letter written Wednesday to Chief John Batiste, 36 state House and Senate members said the letter "appears to be a massive fishing expedition reminiscent of colonial era- 'general warrants,' in disregard of the constraints imposed by the Constitutions of the United States and Washington State." Rep. Matt Shea, R-Spokane Valley, was one of the lawmakers who asked for an explanation from Batiste. "When you receive a letter from a law enforcement agency directing you to hand over your files, it can be very intimidating. People may mistakenly feel they are legally obligated to respond, even though this letter was not a court-ordered summons for response," Shea said in a statement. Bob Calkins, State Patrol spokesman, said the agency was looking for a State Patrol AR-15 that went missing several months ago. "We're really not being any more specific than that. A this point, it's a disappearance. We don't have any objective evidence that it's been stolen," he said. "Out of abundance of caution, we opened a criminal investigation. As part of that, we asked the gun dealers for help...we pretty candidly acknowledge now that that letter could've been better written. It was a request, it does say it was a request, but it could've been clearer," Calkins said. "We didn't know how much of a nerve that we would touch. We're not creating a registry of AR-15 owners. We're doing everything we can to get this gun located." --- http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/03/us_senators_demand_that_driver.php U.S. Senators Demand That Drivers Quit Using iPhone Apps to Avoid Red-Light Cameras and DUI Checkpoints By Curtis Cartier, Wed., Mar. 23 2011 @ 12:48PM Categories: Crime & Punishment, Technology - http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/hbo/2011/mar/24/smoking-banned-low-income-apartments/ Smoking banned at low income apartments - http://biggovernment.com/reasontv/2011/03/23/reason-tv-la-food-police-ban-burger-joints-is-your-city-next/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BigGovernment+%28Big+Government%29 LA food police ban burger joints, is your city next? http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=558_1300987640 HydrogenEconomy WA state patrol caught trying to finagle AR15 owner info, serials out of <span class="highlight">FFL</span>'s. wa.state,patrol,finagle,ar15,serial,ffl,owner,information Sun, 04 Jan 2009 13:27:41 -0500 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b72_1231092435 Guvnor No idea where this is from, but its an interesting look at the FFL regiment based in Dijbouti. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b72_1231092435 Guvnor Life in the 13DBLE french foreign legion, ffl, 13dble Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:28:56 -0400 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=415_1208194136 llSnOwll The French Foreign Legion (FFL) fighting in Ivory Coast in 2003, sound in french, subtitles in english (footage). http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=415_1208194136 llSnOwll French Foreign Legion fight footage in Ivory Coast, 2003 - Subtitled in English. FFL, French, Foreign, Legion, firefight, Ivory, Coast, 2003, African, Nation, Thu, 24 Jan 2013 16:40:51 -0500 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7f1_1359063186 BattlefieldVegas This is a Universal Takedown Gun from the French firearms manufacture Hotchkiss. This model was designed fold into a small unit that can easily fit into a backpack or rucksack and used in the 1950's. It was designed to replace the MAT-49 and for French paratroopers but only saw limited service. It's chambered in 9mm and we have in our inventory and working on restoring another unit. It fires from a closed bolt and is select-fire. Our Range Safety Officer demonstrates this weapon in both semi and full-auto here at Battlefield Vegas. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7f1_1359063186 BattlefieldVegas Folding 9mm SMG demonstration war, combat, French, French Foreign Legion, FFL, SMG, machinegun, firearms, weapons, full-auto, warfare, modern warfare, call of duty Thu, 08 Nov 2012 00:52:03 -0500 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=22a_1352353403 potrblog http://pissinontheroses.blogspot.com/2012/11/atf-profiling-women-crime-of-being.html (c)2012 http://www.POTRBLOG.com If you buy a gun and your female, you're likely a criminal in the ATF's eyes. We have had direct report(s) from Federally Firearms Licensed dealer(s) that ATF compliance inspectors have been focusing exclusively on women gun purchasers during compliance inspections. We suspect the ATF's profiling of women gun buyers is behind the recent report of Walmart denying a woman the purchase of a shotgun because they believed it was TOO BIG for her and that she did not 'need' it ; and threatening to report her for what we are calling the crime of buying a gun while being female. See the POTRBLOG site for links to that report @ http://pissinontheroses.blogspot.com/2012/11/atf-profiling-women-crime-of-being.html. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=22a_1352353403 potrblog ATF Profiling Women: The Crime of Being a Female Gun Buyer ATF, guns, women, discrimination, FFL Tue, 04 Sep 2012 08:31:53 -0400 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b62_1346761191 kuzak20 Soldiers get into a fight http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b62_1346761191 kuzak20 rench Foreign Legion fighting alongside Afghan army soldiers May 30 2010 FFL, French Foreign Legion, soldiers, firefight, combat Fri, 04 May 2012 01:24:21 -0400 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=079_1336108729 bravo61 L'egion 'etrang`ere 2012 Il est l'oeuvre de la cellule audio-visuelle de la L'egion 'etrang`ere qui depuis plus de deux ans a accumul'e les images n'ecessaires `a la r'ealisation de celui-ci en suivant les r'egiments au quartier, `a l'entra^inement ou en op'erations ext'erieures. Le montage est quant `a lui le fruit du travail du caporal Oleg Zankov. Foreign Legion 2012 It is the work of the cell audio-visual of the Foreign Legion who for over two years has accumulated the necessary images to achieve it by following the regiments to the neighborhood, in training or on operations abroad. The assembly is itself the result of work of Corporal Oleg Zankov. video from http://www.legion-etrangere.com/ http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=079_1336108729 bravo61 L'egion 'etrang`ere 2012 France, French Foreign Legion, FFL, French Army, Arm'ee de Terre, L'egion 'etrang`ere, Afghanistan Fri, 03 Feb 2012 21:42:40 -0500 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=76a_1328319555 frenchyyy French Foreign Legion FIGHTING and TRAINING Part 7 with english subtitles http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=76a_1328319555 frenchyyy French Foreign Legion FIGHTING and TRAINING france the french foreign legion ffl afghanistan fight training taliban