http://www.liveleak.com/browse?q=Lake+&Palmer_-_Take_A_Pebble_(1970= Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:21:39 -0400 Liveleak http://edge.liveleak.com/80281E/u/u/ll2/logo.gif http://www.liveleak.com/browse?q=Lake+&Palmer_-_Take_A_Pebble_(1970= Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:59:37 -0400 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8a1_1371603400 Detroit Iron By JOHN FLESHER FAIRPORT, Mich.- A wooden beam embedded at the bottom of northern Lake Michigan appears to have been there for centuries,underwater archaeologists announced Tuesday, a crucial finding as crews dig toward what they hope is the carcass of a French ship that disappeared while exploring the Great Lakes in the 17th century. Expedition leaders still weren't ready to declare they had found a shipwreck or the long-lost Griffin. The ship, commanded by the French explorer Rene Robert Cavelier de la Salle, was never seen again after setting sail in September 1679 from an island near the entrance of Green Bay, in what is now northern Wisconsin, with a crew of a six and a cargo of furs. But Michel L'Hour, director of France's Department of Underwater Archaeological Research and a shipwreck expert, said the timber appears to be a bowsprit, which is a spur or pole that extends from a vessel's stem. It also seems to be attached to another structure below the lake bed, he said. "All the details could be interpreted as part of a bowsprit and there's no details which contract this hypothesis," said L'Hour, who dove to inspect the beam with two French colleagues Monday and Tuesday. "It's why it's the main hypothesis now. A bowsprit which has been buried in the sediment of the lake for many centuries." Commercial divers overseen by scientists last week began excavating at the base of the wooden beam, hoping to determine whether it is part of the Griffin. Steve Libert, a diver and shipwreck enthusiast who has searched three decades for the Griffin, discovered the timber in 2001 and recently obtained state and federal permits to probe beneath the surface. The beam extends 10.5 feet above the lake bed, and underwater excavators were opening a pit at the base of the post to determine whether it's affixed to anything beneath. In another key development Tuesday, they reported that a probing device had detected a hard surface 18 to 20 feet below the lake bed. It could be a ship's hull or deck. "In essence, we have found a floor under that exposed wooden timber," said Ken Vrana, the project manager. "We have more excavation to do before verifying what that surface is." L'Hour said the French archaeologists drew their conclusion about the beam's age after observing differences between the section above the lake floor and the portion below the surface that the pit has exposed. The aboveground section is narrower because of erosion that must have happened over hundreds of years, he said. Libert said he was excited by the reports and had "no doubt" the beam was part of a ship. But it remained uncertain when the team might be able to positively identify the presumed vessel. "I think that maybe Steve found the Griffin," L'Hour said at a briefing for reporters. "I can't be sure, which is why I'm waiting and waiting and waiting for the proof." Although visibly optimistic, the searchers cautioned against expecting quick resolution of a mystery that has thrown numerous hurdles in Libert's path. After years of research led him to an area near Poverty Island a few miles off Michigan's Upper Peninsula, he literally bumped into the timber during a dive. That touched off years of legal battles between his Great Lakes Exploration Group and the state over access to the presumed shipwreck. When the excavation finally got underway last Friday, divers expected to find an object similar to the Griffin's reputed size a couple of feet below the surface, based on sonar readings. It's now believed to be perhaps 10 times farther down. Libert, who says he has spent more than $1 million on his long quest and put the excavation's price tag at "six figures," scrambled to obtain equipment that can dig deeper and is better able to break through the hard-packed mud. It probably will take another day or two to widen the hole and reach the hard surface, Vrana said. The excavation permits expire Friday, although the group could seek extensions. But with the French team scheduled to leave by then, the divers were working faster in hopes of confirming at least the presence of a shipwreck. State officials and Libert's group agree if the Griffin is found, it will belong to France because it was operating under authority of King Louis XIV. Graham Paul, a French consul general based in Chicago, visited the team over the weekend and said his government would favor attempting to recover the vessel. "It would be a major excavation and very costly," Vrana said. But the wreckage could be in surprisingly good condition after being encased in cold mud for 334 years because it wouldn't have been exposed to oxygen, which causes wood and metals to deteriorate, said Dave Miller, an archaeologist with Great Lakes Exploration Group. "That's the best way of conservation for all the artifacts and for the hull," L'Hour said. "One can't imagine something better than this kind of clay and mud." http://news.yahoo.com/scientists-timber-lake-michigan-centuries-old-150750034.html http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8a1_1371603400 Detroit Iron Scientists: Timber in <span class="highlight">Lake</span> Michigan centuries old Griffin, Rene Robert Cavelier de la Salle, Green Bay Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:10:54 -0400 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=975_1371602477 ali4life The name Afghanistan invokes images of a dry and arid country with mountainous terrain, endless desert, thorn bushes and mud houses. But at the center of this depressing landscape is a series of spectacular lakes with water so blue that it looks almost like ink. Band-e Amir is a series of six incredibly deep blue lakes in the heart of the central Afghanistan. The lakes are situated in the foothills of the Hindu Kush, the second highest mountain range in the world, 80 kilometers from the ancient town of Bamiyan, where the Taliban destroyed the world's tallest Buddha statues in 2001. Surrounded by pink towering limestone cliffs almost in complete lack of vegetation, the stunning lakes seems totally out of place. The name literally means &quot;Commander's Dam&quot; which is a reference to Imam Ali, the first imam of the Shia Muslims and the fourth Caliph of the Sunni Muslims. The area is dominated by ethnic Hazaras, who make up around 9% of Afghanistan's population and are followers of Shia Islam. The deep blue color of the lakes is due to the clarity of the air as well as the purity of the water. The high mineral content of the lakes also causes the intense and varying colors of the lake waters. Of the six lakes, Band-e Panir is the smallest, with a diameter of approximately 100m (330ft). The largest is Band-e Zulfiqar, which measures some 6.5km (4mi) in length. The most accessible of the lakes is Band-e-Haibat, literally translated as Dam of Awe. Band-e-Amir had been a destination for travelers since the 1950s. The lakes became a national park only in 2009, although their beauty was recognized much earlier, in 196o. But due to the instability of the government at that time, it wasn't recognized as a national park. Covering approximately 230 square miles, Band-e Amir is Afghanistan's first and only national park and it also features on UNESCO World heritage list. The beautiful lakes were created by the carbon dioxide rich water that is drawn from the spring melt-water in the surrounding mountains and came out from faults and cracks in the rocky landscape. This outflow of water percolates slowly through the underlying limestone, dissolving its principal mineral, calcium carbonate. Over time, the water deposited layers of hardened mineral (travertine), which created dams that trap water in increasingly large basins. These dams are usually about 10m high and 3m wide. Water cascades from one lake to the other near travertine terraces serving as massive natural dams between the lakes. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=975_1371602477 ali4life Band E Amir- Afghanistan's 1st national park Band e amir, bamyan, Hazara, Afghanistan, Kabul, Nature, river, National park Tue, 18 Jun 2013 11:46:14 -0400 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fa2_1371568759 2DLISH2QUIT Although it may look pleasing to the eye in a way that rivals a genuine creation of Mother Nature, this is merely an artificial lake 'forged' from an inactive taconite mine pit. When US Steel is done raping the land here in my back yard, they are kind enough to fill in the hole and plant trees around it to cover up the mess :) Too bad they put up barbed wire fences around it and deny public access :( Beans exercises her civil disobedience by slipping in under the wire to take an early morning dip. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fa2_1371568759 2DLISH2QUIT FAKE <span class="highlight">LAKE</span> 2DLISH2QUIT,Beans,dog,minnesota,iron range,taconite,mine,pit,artificial,lake,FAKE Thu, 13 Jun 2013 01:57:49 -0400 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b52_1371102793 drynwhyl Two 30 round magazines fired across a lake from an AR15 in full auto with tracers bouncing off in all directions http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b52_1371102793 drynwhyl Tracers Skipping Across The Water tracers, night, shoot, water, lake, ar15, full, auto, skipping, bounce Tue, 18 Jun 2013 00:12:00 -0400 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f06_1371528660 helle - http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f06_1371528660 helle Quicksand In <span class="highlight">Lake</span> Michigan Quicksand Sun, 16 Jun 2013 14:48:02 -0400 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d0c_1371403596 SlimakPodroznik The beauty of Schluchsee http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d0c_1371403596 SlimakPodroznik Schluchsee - Baden Wurtenbeg - Germany Schluchsee, lake, Germany Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:38:35 -0400 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=71c_1371490334 thorshammering Lake Minnetonka, MN http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=71c_1371490334 thorshammering Same waters that Prince used to cleanse himself. fish, minnetonka Sun, 16 Jun 2013 15:45:44 -0400 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=756_1371411816 PORK-CHOP Drew Bristow, Johno Smith and Bradley Ambrose abseil near the incredible lava lake at Marum volcano on Ambrym island, Vanuatu. Some of the most spectacular volcano video ever shot! http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=756_1371411816 PORK-CHOP Amazing Volcanic Eruption and Climbing Near Boiling Lava - Raw Footage amazing, increible, lava, volcano, hikers, video Sun, 16 Jun 2013 06:49:03 -0400 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d67_1371379345 Youssarian Translated with Google Translator. Sheila is only nine months old when her owners captivate the Doberman dog with duct tape and throw them in a lake. The life of young Doberman Lady Sheila ended silent, quietly and infinitely cruel in a lake on the outskirts of Gifhorn (Lower Saxony). No paddling with the legs, no whining, no barking. Sheila's snout and her paws were bound with duct tape. She went under like a stone. Enlarge Maikampsee The Maikampsee to Gifhorn in Lower Saxony The Maikampsee is an idyllic bathing waters with a small island in the middle and trees on the shore. It's Thursday evening, a week ago, against 20 clock in the evening. Susanne, 36, and Andrew B., 41, dragged her nine month old female to the water. You kick her in the ribs and on the muzzle. The dog does not fight back. The couple decided on afternoon that Sheila will die. Included is S. Burkard, 50, a friend of the two. It applies to the police as an accomplice. Bild am Sonntag finds him a week after the fact in his apartment not far from the lake. On the question of how to perform such an animal suffering, he shrugs his shoulders and then tells an incredible story, "Susan complained that Sheila was still not housebroken. She said the dog had finally disappear. "Andrew offered to him to cut his throat, says S. Ultimately, the trio would have decided to drown the dog. Because of the "big mess" that would have resulted had the stabbing. Incredibly, on what thoughts people can come. As the three talk about the fate of Sheila, the dog is chained to the heating in the apartment of Burkard S. "Same as always," he says. Then they make Sheila go. P is likely to take strong adhesive tape, the lake is one kilometer away. The last meters grind the Tierqu"aler the tortured dog on a leash behind him. Burkard S.: "We have tied up and threw her into the lake. Susanne was watching. " Sheila is her dog. She bought the Doberman as a puppy in November 2012. Eventually, the unemployed woman finds that she can not do anything with the animal and tried unsuccessfully to sell it. Two days before the cruel fact is Andreas from the dog. Susanne Sheila brings the next day from the shelter again. "When her owner came, the bitch was beside himself with joy," say the staff there. Sheila has no idea what will happen to them. The love of a dog for his people is boundless. Even if that is a beast. Today there will be a vigil for Sheila by 14 clock in Gifhorn. Already 200 people have signed up for it. Against animal cruelty police determined. You could face up to three years in prison http://www7.pic-upload.de/16.06.13/4eipg56yvq2v.jpg http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d67_1371379345 Youssarian Cruel Dog Death Germany, Dog, Death, Cruelty, Sat, 15 Jun 2013 05:58:33 -0400 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d1d_1371290056 Detroit Iron By David M. Shribman David Shribman There has never been an American moment quite like Project Mercury. It was one of the great undertakings of American power, one of the great expressions of American ingenuity, one of the great successes of American engineering, one of the great statements of American daring -- and one of the great dividing lines in modern American culture. If you know what Project Mercury was, the passion it prompted needs no explanation and has no contemporary equivalent. If you don't know what it was, no amount of explaining, including this column, can begin to capture the thrill and sense of possibility it symbolized. Project Mercury, a uniquely American combination of rocket propulsion and spiritual inspiration, ended 50 years ago this spring, with 22 orbits of the Earth by L. Gordon Cooper aboard a space capsule named Faith 7. Its conclusion preceded the death of John F. Kennedy, who didn't begin the program but whose vital spark animated it, by six months -- and the combination of the two, the demise of Project Mercury and of the president who seemed to personify its spirit and who gave the undertaking its elan, marked an important passage in American life. The space program continued, with Project Gemini and then Project Apollo, but never again with its innocence, its purity, its brio. By the time Cooper returned to space, with Pete Conrad aboard Gemini 5 (120 orbits in eight days in August 1965), Watts was aflame, the American sense of rectitude was jolted by the moral questions raised by the civil rights movement, 200,000 GIs were in Vietnam, and increasing numbers of people were questioning the virtue of the efforts in space when so many challenges remained on Earth. None of that touched Project Mercury, which seemed to fly on the wings of dreams. There was, to be sure, a large Cold War element to Project Mercury; its booster rockets were military missiles and the drive to beat the Soviets to the moon was a proxy for the struggle to defeat communism on Earth. And there was a hokey all-Americanism gauze to the effort, fortified by breathless accounts on television and fawning articles and double-page picture spreads in LIFE magazine, the photo album of the American Century. Even so, the effort was cloaked in the can-do spirit of the time, the romance of the new science, the vigor of the test pilots who filled the ranks of the Original Seven astronauts (always rendered upper-case), and the redemption of centuries of longing to reach toward the moon, the planets and the stars. There was a gee-whiz quality to Mercury, but the wonder of the engineering was accompanied by knowledge of the risks -- and of the improvised nature of the undertaking. The program was a showcase for American competence, but the Mercury space capsule itself was a metal can bolted atop an ICBM. "Not only did it involve no flying, there wasn't even a window to look out of," Tom Wolfe recounted in "The Right Stuff," his classic account of Project Mercury and its astronauts. "There wasn't even a hatch you could egress from like a man; it would take a crew of swabbos with lug wrenches to get you out of the thing." No matter. Americans were going to match the Soviets and travel into space. So taken with the endeavor was a middle-school student in Pittsburgh that he sneaked his transistor radio into school, inserted his earphone and listened on the radio to the suborbital flight of Alan Shepard aboard Freedom 7, the first American manned space mission. The study-hall monitor at Shady Side Academy sent him to detention. Thirty years later, Jay Apt made his first space flight and took two space walks. "Project Mercury was thrilling to all of us," says Apt, who eventually flew on four shuttle missions. "I treasure a recording ofJohn Glenn's description of the sunsets and sunrises. The images he painted with those words led me to the path that allowed me to see them for myself." Glenn became a symbol of America's determination to slip the surly bonds of Earth -- a haunting phrase from the 1941 John Gillespie Magee Jr. poem "High Flight" that Ronald Reagan borrowed in January 1986 after the Challenger disaster. In February 1962, Glenn became the first American to orbit the Earth, making him into a folk hero and sending him on a trajectory that would lead to the Senate, a presidential campaign and a return to space at age 77 in 1998. "We didn't know how inspiring this was to so many," Glenn, who turns 92 in July, said in an interview this month. "It completely surprised all of us." Yet the allure of the voyage of Friendship 7 persisted. Julie Payette, born in Montreal 20 months after the Glenn flight, told me before her own space mission in 1999 that Glenn was "a hero of mine." On the 1984 campaign trail, Glenn encountered a set of twins in New Hampshire's lake country. They were almost 12. One was named John, the other Glenn. It was Dwight Eisenhower's genius that put the American space program in the public eye in more ways than one. The 34th president insisted that the U.S. effort to reach the heavens be conducted not in secret, as the Soviet program was, but in public, even the embarrassments (boosters that didn't leave the launch pad) and disasters (beginning with the fatal fire on Apollo 1 in 1967). But it was Kennedy's rhetoric that sent Mercury soaring. "This generation does not intend to founder in the backwash of the coming age of space," he said in 1961. "We mean to be a part of it -- we mean to lead it. For the eyes of the world now look into space, to the moon and to the planets beyond, and we have vowed that we shall not see it governed by a hostile flag of conquest, but by a banner of freedom and peace." No one alive in those years failed to be inspired by those words and that impulse. That is why grown adults in their 60th year still possess items such as the American Heritage Junior Library book "Americans in Space," holding firm to them as emblems of the hopes and idealism of their youth. My copy is right here on my desk. COPYRIGHT 2013 THE PITTSBURGH POST-GAZETTE http://news.yahoo.com/america-slips-bonds-050122489.html http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d1d_1371290056 Detroit Iron AMERICA SLIPS ITS BONDS Project Mercury, Project Gemini, Project Apollo Fri, 14 Jun 2013 04:23:34 -0400 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3c3_1371197494 piderman The Dinka are an ethnic group inhabiting the Bahr el Ghazal region of the Nile basin, Jonglei and parts of southern Kordufan and Upper Nile regions. They are mainly agripastoral people, relying on cattle herding at riverside camps in the dry season and growing millet (awuou) and other varieties of grains (rap) in fixed settlements during the rainy season. They number around 4.5 million people according to the 2008 Sudan census, constituting about 18% of the population of the entire country, and the largest ethnic tribe in South Sudan. Dinka, or as they refer to themselves, Muonyjang (singular) and jieng (plural), are one of the branches of the River Lake Nilotes (mainly sedentary agripastoral peoples of East Africa who speak Nilotic languages, including the Nuer and Luo). http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3c3_1371197494 piderman Dinka customs: stimulation of cows sexual organs africa, job, animal, sexual, organs, stimulated, hair, colored, sudan, lactate, cow, pussy, vagina Thu, 13 Jun 2013 23:49:14 -0400 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=337_1371181318 omniradar I,m sick of these bastards presuming this is good for all citizens !!!! Senior politicians from across the political divide have united to call for UK security services to be given greater internet monitoring powers. In a letter to The Times newspaper three former Labour home secretaries, three senior Tories and one Liberal Democrat urge changes. They say "coalition niceties" must not hinder counter terror efforts. A bill allowing the monitoring of all UK citizens' internet use was dropped after Liberal Democrat opposition. However, following the killing of Drummer Lee Rigby in Woolwich there have been calls for the Communications Data Bill, dubbed the "snoopers' charter" by opponents, which was shelved in May to be revived. Quote from letter issued by Jack Straw, David Blunkett, Alan Johnson, Lord Baker, Lord King, and Lord Carlile The letter was signed by former Labour home secretaries Jack Straw, David Blunkett and Alan Johnson, along with former Conservative home secretary Lord Baker and defence secretary Lord King, and Liberal Democrat Lord Carlile, who until 2011 was the independent reviewer of government anti-terror laws. In issuing the letter Mr Straw teamed up with Ben Wallace, the MP for Wyre and Preston North and parliamentary aide to minister without portfolio Ken Clarke. As a parliamentary aide Mr Wallace must not differ from the government position. The letter, which was passed to Newsnight and which will be published in The Times on Friday, puts renewed pressure on the deputy prime minister, Nick Clegg, whose party claimed a month ago they would not allow the bill to become law while the Liberal Democrats were in government. It also shows support amongst backers of the bill is undiminished, despite claims British security services used information gathered on UK citizens by Prism - the US secret intelligence programme revealed last week. Instead, referring to the recent murder of Drummer Rigby, they write: "When such a threat reveals itself, government has a duty to ensure they can do all they can to counter it." Without Liberal Democrat support in parliament, the Conservatives alone could not get the bill on to the statute book, but this letter is the first sign that Labour politicians are prepared to combine in principle with the Conservative party to help ensure the security services are given the new powers. In an attack on Liberal Democrat opposition, they write: "Coalition niceties and party politics must not get in the way of giving our security services the capabilities they need to stay one step ahead of those that seek to destroy our society." They also accuse the Liberal Democrats of siding with the interests of large communications companies, writing: "We find it odd that many critics of the Bill prefer to champion the rights of corporations over democratically accountable law enforcement agencies." Speculation is mounting in Westminster that to avoid complicated votes in parliament, measures will be brought forward by Home Secretary Theresa May that are not presented in a formal bill, but instead use other means of achieving the same ends. The Communications Data Bill would have given police and security services access, without a warrant, to details of all online communication in the UK - such as the time, duration, originator and recipient, and the location of the device from which it was made. It would also give access to some details of Britons' web browsing history and details of messages sent on social media. The police would have to get a warrant from the home secretary to be able to access the actual content of conversations and messages. In April, Mr Clegg told his weekly LBC radio phone-in: "What people have dubbed the snoopers' charter - I have to be clear with you, that's not going to happen." "In other words the idea that the government will pass a law which means there will be a record kept of every website you visit, who you communicate with on social media sites, that's not going to happen. It's certainly not going to happen with Liberal Democrats in government." "We all committed ourselves at the beginning of this coalition to learn the lessons from the past, when Labour overdid it, trying to constantly keep tabs on everyone. We have a commitment in this Coalition Agreement to end the storage of internet information unless there is a very good reason to do so." But in the letter the Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat grandees say: "Far from being a 'snoopers' charter', as critics allege, the draft bill, seeks to match our crime fighting capabilities to the advances in technologies. "The proposed Communications Data Bill does not want access to the content of our communications but does want to ensure that enough data is available in the aftermath of an attack to help investigators establish 'who, where and when' were involved in planning or supporting it."rjs2662 13th June 2013 - 19:42 If you value security over freedom you will end up losing both +62 Comment number 24. Welsh Ben 13th June 2013 - 19:55 And the terrorists have almost won... They've pushed the UK to the point where we are more in fear of state snooping on our private lives than we are of the potential terrorist acts. +59 Comment number 18. jay 13th June 2013 - 19:53 "However, following the killing of Drummer Lee Rigby in Woolwich" Not only would police/local authorities monitoring all UK internet use without a warrant due to one terrorist attack be grossly disproportionate, but I haven't heard a single objective, evidenced-based argument for how these powers would have prevented Woolwich. Cynical, manipulative and dangerous. Go through the courts. +49 Comment number 3. BikerAndy 13th June 2013 - 19:44 disgusting invasion of privacy. together with the current trend of net censorship, it just goes to show that all the major political parties have no interest in what the public actually want. big brother gone mad. i for one will be voting pirate party in the next elections to make my feelings clear to the next government. +49 Comment number 6. vin 13th June 2013 - 19:46 They already monitor everything. They are just trying to legalise it. +46 Comment number 4. oOLJCOo 13th June 2013 - 19:46 Any one think that people who do not wish to be monitored will just go back to pens and paper? This isn't for "terror", it's for policing of the population incase we ever decide to turn off Big Brother or Downton Abbey and head down to the Capital to remove the fat cat bankers and their MP henchmen who have robbed and stole from the common person. +46 Comment number 109. yournext 13th June 2013 - 20:31 First they came for the communists, I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. When they came for the Catholics, I didn't speak out. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me. +40 Comment number 68. ePug 13th June 2013 - 20:14 What? I must be dreaming. More surveillance? More scrutiny? Terror? What terror? This is insane. +37 Comment number 85. Tony 13th June 2013 - 20:23 Jack Straw is a creep.. a power freak who was behind the British ID card system.. oh how that man loves the idea of Big Brother. +34 Comment number 12. beesaman 13th June 2013 - 19:50 This will make both Labour and Conservative unelectable in the next election. +34 Comment number 13. Mooker 13th June 2013 - 19:50 We are doomed if we do not unite and take a stand against this NOW! +33 Comment number 38. BeesAreTrendy 13th June 2013 - 20:02 It's funny how Governments want its citizen's business out in the open for it to see, but it does not want its own business out in the open for its citizen's to see. Yes, funny that. +33 Comment number 45. Dragonwight 13th June 2013 - 20:04 Lee Rigby would not have been saved by new powers so any mention of him is just political opportunism and an insult to his family. This lot should just learn to go away gracefully they had their time in office. Given the number of MP`s who seem to have trouble with basic morality like not stealing from the public purse I certainly wouldn't trust them with a complex issue like privacy. +31 Comment number 67. Big John the Red 13th June 2013 - 20:14 Why not "chip" us all like dogs and have done with it? Oh, and in the UK, you are around 50 times more like to die of an allergic reaction to a cat than in a terrorist attack! +31 Comment number 29. TQ 13th June 2013 - 19:56 "if you are not guilty of anything then what is there to fear?" let me give you a list... corrupt politicians (for examples see the last decade of UK politics), corrupt police (for examples see last 30 years of Police history), hackers, corrupt civil servants, corrupt judges... the list goes on but when too much power is centralised then abuse of that power isn't far behind (See the Prism scandal) +28 Comment number 51. GodsSon83 13th June 2013 - 20:07 The nazis may of lost the battle but they def won the War Welcome to Soviet United kingdom of Europe where your "security" is our top priority. Whilst the "Terrorists" are about we will have to remove your rights and spy on you without probably cause or due process I AM SICK OF THIS NONSENSE Where are they going to draw the line on this "security" which there pretty useless at! +27 Comment number 65. Citizen Too 13th June 2013 - 20:13 It has taken a thousand years for us to win the level of freedom of speech and action that we now enjoy so we should be prepared to accept risks and dangers in order to maintain it and not be browbeaten into accepting any further curtailment. +27 Comment number 87. JoJoDeathunter 13th June 2013 - 20:24 Politicians take note... we the British people don't want this! We're the people who survived the bombs of the Blitz and the collapse of the largest empire the world has ever seen, only to come out stronger than ever, a few lousy terrorists can't faze us. For once listen to your people rather than trying to grab as much power as you think you can get away with. +26 Comment number 66. blogitusmaximus 13th June 2013 - 20:13 Show me where in the snoopers charter they have developed the technology to crack encrypted tunnelled traffic. Any idiot with a VPN renders this legislation pointless. It is a gross oversight to allow those in power to acquire snooping powers that once in place cant be recinded easily. Beware future not-so-benevolent power hungry governments. +25 Comment number 46. Sane or not 13th June 2013 - 20:04 To give police and security services the right to monitor all communication data is a recipie for a civil liberties /privacy disaster. 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