Had to add the translation again as it wasnt part
of the video file.
"Soldiers from the IDF Golani Infantry
Division get ambushed by terrorists and respond by
killing them."
You don't ex...
Quoted comment by _JihadJoe_: Well said but i cant believe this argument is still ongoing! What is QXT's problem? He just keeps digging deeper and deeper! Is it Warren25 in disguise?
Yeh. Well I've blocked him now as I just cant be bothered to get irritated by his poorly thought out replies when he poorly reads whatever I've said. I could go through all my replies and quote the times I've answered him before and quote the parts he's tried to make a point about something he's misread, but I'm done 'arguing' now. He has no idea what he's talking about, he's a hypocrite and is a complete idiot. I think we should all just not humor him, he loves it.
Well said but i cant believe this argument is still ongoing! What is QXT's problem? He just keeps digging deeper and deeper! Is it Warren25 in disguise?
Grow some balls mate and have the courage to speak to me directly.
Tell me again, do you only come to Liveleak because of the videos? Are the satanic articles too much for you to handle? Absolutely hilarious. Hey look Dudio, the words Im typing right now might have been altered and misconstrued by some extra-terrestrial power...it might even be me typing it. LOL, I apologize, but your comment was just asking for a mocking.
Take care of yourself Dudio. Dont let *words* get to you. ;)
I did speak to you directly genius, I wrote on your profile. You're very poorly educated if you think that everything written down is true. Ever heard of 1st 2nd and 3rd hand evidence? Ever heard of bias? Ever heard of 'saying what you want to say'? My replies to you were 100% logical. You couldn't be more of a hypocrite in what you say to me.
Especially as the only thing you bring to the table is your potty mouth and your ill informed remarks.
You tell me I don't have the ability to debate, yet you have nothing to back up what you say. Not to mention you never read what people say in the first place. The funny thing is, I'm not the only one who thinks that about you - if you believe everything you read, maybe you should believe what people write on your profile.
Yeah, on my profile, but it looked like you were quoting and directing your comments to JihadJoe.
I never said you should believe everything you read. Quite the contrary. You should evaluate and scrutinize everything that you read. However, we would be stuck in the middle ages if we were to be as stupid and unforgiving as you appear. The key is to actually have a basis and reasonable argument as to why you find it to be biased/false/untrue.
So tell me, about that IDF article, what was it about it that made you raise an eyebrow? Go ahead, lets see if you actually had something to base your "I dont believe this article" claim on? What you got?
Bloody hell QXT I'm not repeating myself again. Go back and read why I question text articles. Also the fact I said I know that the IDF have done it before. But if you look at the evidence they are basing it off (not just from that text) it mainly evolves around one video they obtained and Palestinian witnesses.
The thing is the Jews and the Muslims have been at eachothers throats for generations. I hate the Muslims die hard belief system that they try and oppose onto everyone, and I hate the way the Israel 'Defense' force works in keeping the 'peace'. They are both as bad as eachother half the time.
There is more bs propaganda in the air than there is ammunition.
Coming from both sides.
Ok, here's a few quotes as you asked, from that post.. and please read it all (carefully) before you start to reply..
1.)
"Legal scholar Reisner said that if the allegations were true, they should be the subject of a serious investigation by the Israel Defense Forces."
- 'if the allegations were true' - what would you say to that guy? Seeings as someone interviewed in the article has his doubts about the claims too.
Definition of allegation:
A statement asserting something without proof.
Law An assertion made by a party that must be proved or supported with evidence.
2.)
"The Israeli military told McClatchy that it's investigating a variety of allegations about its Gaza operation but it categorically rejected suggestions that soldiers forced any Palestinians to work for them."
and
"Of course we don't use human shields," Israeli military spokesman Capt. Elie Isaacson said. "Just the opposite. We do everything in our power to avoid harm to civilians, bearing in mind that we know Hamas purposely puts them in harm's way."
You would read this and assume its a lie, correct?
I have my doubts too. But if you think an Israeli would make a bias claim like that, then surely it is just as likely for a Palestinian to do the same and say:
"he fighters, one of whom appeared to be wearing a suicide vest, wore Hamas bandannas and told Abed Rabbo to carry a message back to the Israeli soldiers: "We're still alive."
When Abed Rabbo returned with the news, Israeli forces fired guided missiles at the building and then ordered the increasingly reluctant Abed Rabbo to go back inside.
The apartment was on fire, but the militants were still alive. Abed Rabbo said he took back a new message from the militants: "If you are real men, come and face us yourselves."
The Israeli forces called in an Apache helicopter, which mistakenly hit Abed Rabbo's empty house. A second strike hit the militants' building, Abed Rabbo said."
Hmm. Interesting story. If you think this is believable and the Israeli paragraph isn't, then you are seriously overlooking the integrity of this post. You should be - like I am - skeptical over both sides claims, which again, is why I don't believe all that I read.
and finally..
3.)
The guy who wrote this article also wrote, and I think the title says it all:
"Israeli troops killed Gaza children carrying white flag, witnesses say"
'witnesses say' - would these 'witnesses' be Palestinian by chance? - would they be making up as much BS as the Israelis are, by chance?
The fact is, you say "The key is to actually have a basis and reasonable argument" but the reason why I, and all the others who think the same as I do on your profile is that you are just the pot calling the kettle black. Where is your 'reasonable argument' - all you have done is point fingers and throw your tongue around calling people idiots and morons - yet I'm the only looking at this objectively, I've told you my views over and over. I've yet to hear your 'compelling argument yet'
You also say:
"You should evaluate and scrutinize everything that you read. However, we would be stuck in the middle ages if we were to be as stupid and unforgiving as you appear."
- Well, where has yours been? and isn't that slightly hypocritical? I'm criticizing the integrity, yet I'm apparently 'unforgiving' for posing the point that the Palestinians could be making up just as much BS as the Israelis are?
I'm someone who is aware of what the IDF has done in the past, I hate how they deal with 'security' - I think they are trigger happy and reckless. But I also think the Palestinians are just as bad and torment and anger the loose cannon that is Israel.
This has got beyond opinion and logical thinking. I have my reasons, and they ARE logical. This is about an argument, ad I'm not willing to 'argue' with you anymore just because you want to be right. Like I have said, I have my opinions, you have yours. At least I have my reasons.
Wow, you took my advice and grew some. Good man.
You never said you question written articles, you said you disregard them outright. That my friend, is utterly illogical. However, I asked why you thought that particular story was BS.
The fact that the Israeli Supreme court had to ban the practice proves beyond all doubt they were guilty of said crime. This evidence alone far exceeds any claims that Palestinians make or any videos. It was an admission of guilt, what more can you ask for in determining if the criminal is guilty?
Lets stay on topic, cos I couldn't give a sh*t discussing Muzzies/Jews with you.
If party X have admitted to said crime in the past, it is at the very least, reasonable to assume that they are guilty of it now. But more importantly, I am under no obligation to give any facts, because it was you that made the original claim (of not believing the article/event) and so the onus is on YOU to bring forth something to support your claim.
There is nothing to suggest Reisner has his doubts about this. He used the word "allegations", because that is what they are at this stage, just "allegations". A little tip for you, all crimes start with allegations.
Oh forgive me for thinking the IDF statements are just a tad biased, dont you think? Kinda illogical for you to be posting statements about the accused and expecting me to believe them. Of course that's what they would say
So we know that both Palis and Israelis can make their biased claims. So which one do we believe? Well in this case, its all about precedent. It is sensible to assume that the allegations are true because the IDF has done such a thing not too long ago. THAT is my reason for holding my opinion that this new article could be true, but is unlikely to be false...because the PRECEDENT HAS BEEN SET.
Im not claiming that these allegations are 100% true, rather what Im saying is, that there is nothing to suggest they are false. If I were to make an informed conclusion based on what we already know, I would have to say that past events lead us to believe the IDF could very well be guilty this time as well.
One claim is from the warring party, the IDF. The other is from a non-combatant civilian, who is not part of either Hamas or the IDF. The two can not be held equal.
Remember, I didnt start the argument, you did. You claim this should be disregarded but offer no reason as to why, other than a feable, you shouldnt believe everything you read. Know what Dudio, the 9/11 attacks are 'alleged' to have been carried out by Al Qaeda. I guess we should be sceptical about that too right?
I have no reason to reject these allegations, and every reason to believe them, for the afore mentioned reasons.
Go ahead and form an educated opinion on this? Who do you believe Dudio? So far, it looks to me that you just dont want to believe the IDF would do such a thing.
Wow I've actually finally lost the will to reply to you as you clearly never read what I say, you misread absolutely everything. Seriously, you are incapable of replying without thinking. I'm done 'arguing' with you because you are literally talking bollocks now.
Grow some balls mate and have the courage to speak to me directly.
Tell me again, do you only come to Liveleak because of the videos? Are the satanic articles too much for you to handle? Absolutely hilarious. Hey look Dudio, the words Im typing right now might have been altered and misconstrued by some extra-terrestrial power...it might even be me typing it. LOL, I apologize, but your comment was just asking for a mocking.
Take care of yourself Dudio. Dont let *words* get to you. ;)
I did speak to you directly genius, I wrote on your profile. You're very poorly educated if you think that everything written down is true. Ever heard of 1st 2nd and 3rd hand evidence? Ever heard of bias? Ever heard of 'saying what you want to say'? My replies to you were 100% logical. You couldn't be more of a hypocrite in what you say to me.
Especially as the only thing you bring to the table is your potty mouth and your ill informed remarks.
You tell me I don't have the ability to debate, yet you have nothing to back up what you say. Not to mention you never read what people say in the first place. The funny thing is, I'm not the only one who thinks that about you - if you believe everything you read, maybe you should believe what people write on your profile.
Yeah, on my profile, but it looked like you were quoting and directing your comments to JihadJoe.
I never said you should believe everything you read. Quite the contrary. You should evaluate and scrutinize everything that you read. However, we would be stuck in the middle ages if we were to be as stupid and unforgiving as you appear. The key is to actually have a basis and reasonable argument as to why you find it to be biased/false/untrue.
So tell me, about that IDF article, what was it about it that made you raise an eyebrow? Go ahead, lets see if you actually had something to base your "I dont believe this article" claim on? What you got?
Bloody hell QXT I'm not repeating myself again. Go back and read why I question text articles. Also the fact I said I know that the IDF have done it before. But if you look at the evidence they are basing it off (not just from that text) it mainly evolves around one video they obtained and Palestinian witnesses.
The thing is the Jews and the Muslims have been at eachothers throats for generations. I hate the Muslims die hard belief system that they try and oppose onto everyone, and I hate the way the Israel 'Defense' force works in keeping the 'peace'. They are both as bad as eachother half the time.
There is more bs propaganda in the air than there is ammunition.
Coming from both sides.
Ok, here's a few quotes as you asked, from that post.. and please read it all (carefully) before you start to reply..
1.)
"Legal scholar Reisner said that if the allegations were true, they should be the subject of a serious investigation by the Israel Defense Forces."
- 'if the allegations were true' - what would you say to that guy? Seeings as someone interviewed in the article has his doubts about the claims too.
Definition of allegation:
A statement asserting something without proof.
Law An assertion made by a party that must be proved or supported with evidence.
2.)
"The Israeli military told McClatchy that it's investigating a variety of allegations about its Gaza operation but it categorically rejected suggestions that soldiers forced any Palestinians to work for them."
and
"Of course we don't use human shields," Israeli military spokesman Capt. Elie Isaacson said. "Just the opposite. We do everything in our power to avoid harm to civilians, bearing in mind that we know Hamas purposely puts them in harm's way."
You would read this and assume its a lie, correct?
I have my doubts too. But if you think an Israeli would make a bias claim like that, then surely it is just as likely for a Palestinian to do the same and say:
"he fighters, one of whom appeared to be wearing a suicide vest, wore Hamas bandannas and told Abed Rabbo to carry a message back to the Israeli soldiers: "We're still alive."
When Abed Rabbo returned with the news, Israeli forces fired guided missiles at the building and then ordered the increasingly reluctant Abed Rabbo to go back inside.
The apartment was on fire, but the militants were still alive. Abed Rabbo said he took back a new message from the militants: "If you are real men, come and face us yourselves."
The Israeli forces called in an Apache helicopter, which mistakenly hit Abed Rabbo's empty house. A second strike hit the militants' building, Abed Rabbo said."
Hmm. Interesting story. If you think this is believable and the Israeli paragraph isn't, then you are seriously overlooking the integrity of this post. You should be - like I am - skeptical over both sides claims, which again, is why I don't believe all that I read.
and finally..
3.)
The guy who wrote this article also wrote, and I think the title says it all:
"Israeli troops killed Gaza children carrying white flag, witnesses say"
'witnesses say' - would these 'witnesses' be Palestinian by chance? - would they be making up as much BS as the Israelis are, by chance?
The fact is, you say "The key is to actually have a basis and reasonable argument" but the reason why I, and all the others who think the same as I do on your profile is that you are just the pot calling the kettle black. Where is your 'reasonable argument' - all you have done is point fingers and throw your tongue around calling people idiots and morons - yet I'm the only looking at this objectively, I've told you my views over and over. I've yet to hear your 'compelling argument yet'
You also say:
"You should evaluate and scrutinize everything that you read. However, we would be stuck in the middle ages if we were to be as stupid and unforgiving as you appear."
- Well, where has yours been? and isn't that slightly hypocritical? I'm criticizing the integrity, yet I'm apparently 'unforgiving' for posing the point that the Palestinians could be making up just as much BS as the Israelis are?
I'm someone who is aware of what the IDF has done in the past, I hate how they deal with 'security' - I think they are trigger happy and reckless. But I also think the Palestinians are just as bad and torment and anger the loose cannon that is Israel.
This has got beyond opinion and logical thinking. I have my reasons, and they ARE logical. This is about an argument, ad I'm not willing to 'argue' with you anymore just because you want to be right. Like I have said, I have my opinions, you have yours. At least I have my reasons.
Wow, you took my advice and grew some. Good man.
You never said you question written articles, you said you disregard them outright. That my friend, is utterly illogical. However, I asked why you thought that particular story was BS.
The fact that the Israeli Supreme court had to ban the practice proves beyond all doubt they were guilty of said crime. This evidence alone far exceeds any claims that Palestinians make or any videos. It was an admission of guilt, what more can you ask for in determining if the criminal is guilty?
Lets stay on topic, cos I couldn't give a sh*t discussing Muzzies/Jews with you.
If party X have admitted to said crime in the past, it is at the very least, reasonable to assume that they are guilty of it now. But more importantly, I am under no obligation to give any facts, because it was you that made the original claim (of not believing the article/event) and so the onus is on YOU to bring forth something to support your claim.
There is nothing to suggest Reisner has his doubts about this. He used the word "allegations", because that is what they are at this stage, just "allegations". A little tip for you, all crimes start with allegations.
Oh forgive me for thinking the IDF statements are just a tad biased, dont you think? Kinda illogical for you to be posting statements about the accused and expecting me to believe them. Of course that's what they would say
So we know that both Palis and Israelis can make their biased claims. So which one do we believe? Well in this case, its all about precedent. It is sensible to assume that the allegations are true because the IDF has done such a thing not too long ago. THAT is my reason for holding my opinion that this new article could be true, but is unlikely to be false...because the PRECEDENT HAS BEEN SET.
Im not claiming that these allegations are 100% true, rather what Im saying is, that there is nothing to suggest they are false. If I were to make an informed conclusion based on what we already know, I would have to say that past events lead us to believe the IDF could very well be guilty this time as well.
One claim is from the warring party, the IDF. The other is from a non-combatant civilian, who is not part of either Hamas or the IDF. The two can not be held equal.
Remember, I didnt start the argument, you did. You claim this should be disregarded but offer no reason as to why, other than a feable, you shouldnt believe everything you read. Know what Dudio, the 9/11 attacks are 'alleged' to have been carried out by Al Qaeda. I guess we should be sceptical about that too right?
I have no reason to reject these allegations, and every reason to believe them, for the afore mentioned reasons.
Go ahead and form an educated opinion on this? Who do you believe Dudio? So far, it looks to me that you just dont want to believe the IDF would do such a thing.
Grow some balls mate and have the courage to speak to me directly.
Tell me again, do you only come to Liveleak because of the videos? Are the satanic articles too much for you to handle? Absolutely hilarious. Hey look Dudio, the words Im typing right now might have been altered and misconstrued by some extra-terrestrial power...it might even be me typing it. LOL, I apologize, but your comment was just asking for a mocking.
Take care of yourself Dudio. Dont let *words* get to you. ;)
I did speak to you directly genius, I wrote on your profile. You're very poorly educated if you think that everything written down is true. Ever heard of 1st 2nd and 3rd hand evidence? Ever heard of bias? Ever heard of 'saying what you want to say'? My replies to you were 100% logical. You couldn't be more of a hypocrite in what you say to me.
Especially as the only thing you bring to the table is your potty mouth and your ill informed remarks.
You tell me I don't have the ability to debate, yet you have nothing to back up what you say. Not to mention you never read what people say in the first place. The funny thing is, I'm not the only one who thinks that about you - if you believe everything you read, maybe you should believe what people write on your profile.
Yeah, on my profile, but it looked like you were quoting and directing your comments to JihadJoe.
I never said you should believe everything you read. Quite the contrary. You should evaluate and scrutinize everything that you read. However, we would be stuck in the middle ages if we were to be as stupid and unforgiving as you appear. The key is to actually have a basis and reasonable argument as to why you find it to be biased/false/untrue.
So tell me, about that IDF article, what was it about it that made you raise an eyebrow? Go ahead, lets see if you actually had something to base your "I dont believe this article" claim on? What you got?
Bloody hell QXT I'm not repeating myself again. Go back and read why I question text articles. Also the fact I said I know that the IDF have done it before. But if you look at the evidence they are basing it off (not just from that text) it mainly evolves around one video they obtained and Palestinian witnesses.
The thing is the Jews and the Muslims have been at eachothers throats for generations. I hate the Muslims die hard belief system that they try and oppose onto everyone, and I hate the way the Israel 'Defense' force works in keeping the 'peace'. They are both as bad as eachother half the time.
There is more bs propaganda in the air than there is ammunition.
Coming from both sides.
Ok, here's a few quotes as you asked, from that post.. and please read it all (carefully) before you start to reply..
1.)
"Legal scholar Reisner said that if the allegations were true, they should be the subject of a serious investigation by the Israel Defense Forces."
- 'if the allegations were true' - what would you say to that guy? Seeings as someone interviewed in the article has his doubts about the claims too.
Definition of allegation:
A statement asserting something without proof.
Law An assertion made by a party that must be proved or supported with evidence.
2.)
"The Israeli military told McClatchy that it's investigating a variety of allegations about its Gaza operation but it categorically rejected suggestions that soldiers forced any Palestinians to work for them."
and
"Of course we don't use human shields," Israeli military spokesman Capt. Elie Isaacson said. "Just the opposite. We do everything in our power to avoid harm to civilians, bearing in mind that we know Hamas purposely puts them in harm's way."
You would read this and assume its a lie, correct?
I have my doubts too. But if you think an Israeli would make a bias claim like that, then surely it is just as likely for a Palestinian to do the same and say:
"he fighters, one of whom appeared to be wearing a suicide vest, wore Hamas bandannas and told Abed Rabbo to carry a message back to the Israeli soldiers: "We're still alive."
When Abed Rabbo returned with the news, Israeli forces fired guided missiles at the building and then ordered the increasingly reluctant Abed Rabbo to go back inside.
The apartment was on fire, but the militants were still alive. Abed Rabbo said he took back a new message from the militants: "If you are real men, come and face us yourselves."
The Israeli forces called in an Apache helicopter, which mistakenly hit Abed Rabbo's empty house. A second strike hit the militants' building, Abed Rabbo said."
Hmm. Interesting story. If you think this is believable and the Israeli paragraph isn't, then you are seriously overlooking the integrity of this post. You should be - like I am - skeptical over both sides claims, which again, is why I don't believe all that I read.
and finally..
3.)
The guy who wrote this article also wrote, and I think the title says it all:
"Israeli troops killed Gaza children carrying white flag, witnesses say"
'witnesses say' - would these 'witnesses' be Palestinian by chance? - would they be making up as much BS as the Israelis are, by chance?
The fact is, you say "The key is to actually have a basis and reasonable argument" but the reason why I, and all the others who think the same as I do on your profile is that you are just the pot calling the kettle black. Where is your 'reasonable argument' - all you have done is point fingers and throw your tongue around calling people idiots and morons - yet I'm the only looking at this objectively, I've told you my views over and over. I've yet to hear your 'compelling argument yet'
You also say:
"You should evaluate and scrutinize everything that you read. However, we would be stuck in the middle ages if we were to be as stupid and unforgiving as you appear."
- Well, where has yours been? and isn't that slightly hypocritical? I'm criticizing the integrity, yet I'm apparently 'unforgiving' for posing the point that the Palestinians could be making up just as much BS as the Israelis are?
I'm someone who is aware of what the IDF has done in the past, I hate how they deal with 'security' - I think they are trigger happy and reckless. But I also think the Palestinians are just as bad and torment and anger the loose cannon that is Israel.
This has got beyond opinion and logical thinking. I have my reasons, and they ARE logical. This is about an argument, ad I'm not willing to 'argue' with you anymore just because you want to be right. Like I have said, I have my opinions, you have yours. At least I have my reasons.
Grow some balls mate and have the courage to speak to me directly.
Tell me again, do you only come to Liveleak because of the videos? Are the satanic articles too much for you to handle? Absolutely hilarious. Hey look Dudio, the words Im typing right now might have been altered and misconstrued by some extra-terrestrial power...it might even be me typing it. LOL, I apologize, but your comment was just asking for a mocking.
Take care of yourself Dudio. Dont let *words* get to you. ;)
I did speak to you directly genius, I wrote on your profile. You're very poorly educated if you think that everything written down is true. Ever heard of 1st 2nd and 3rd hand evidence? Ever heard of bias? Ever heard of 'saying what you want to say'? My replies to you were 100% logical. You couldn't be more of a hypocrite in what you say to me.
Especially as the only thing you bring to the table is your potty mouth and your ill informed remarks.
You tell me I don't have the ability to debate, yet you have nothing to back up what you say. Not to mention you never read what people say in the first place. The funny thing is, I'm not the only one who thinks that about you - if you believe everything you read, maybe you should believe what people write on your profile.
Yeah, on my profile, but it looked like you were quoting and directing your comments to JihadJoe.
I never said you should believe everything you read. Quite the contrary. You should evaluate and scrutinize everything that you read. However, we would be stuck in the middle ages if we were to be as stupid and unforgiving as you appear. The key is to actually have a basis and reasonable argument as to why you find it to be biased/false/untrue.
So tell me, about that IDF article, what was it about it that made you raise an eyebrow? Go ahead, lets see if you actually had something to base your "I dont believe this article" claim on? What you got?
Grow some balls mate and have the courage to speak to me directly.
Tell me again, do you only come to Liveleak because of the videos? Are the satanic articles too much for you to handle? Absolutely hilarious. Hey look Dudio, the words Im typing right now might have been altered and misconstrued by some extra-terrestrial power...it might even be me typing it. LOL, I apologize, but your comment was just asking for a mocking.
Take care of yourself Dudio. Dont let *words* get to you. ;)
I did speak to you directly genius, I wrote on your profile. You're very poorly educated if you think that everything written down is true. Ever heard of 1st 2nd and 3rd hand evidence? Ever heard of bias? Ever heard of 'saying what you want to say'? My replies to you were 100% logical. You couldn't be more of a hypocrite in what you say to me.
Especially as the only thing you bring to the table is your potty mouth and your ill informed remarks.
You tell me I don't have the ability to debate, yet you have nothing to back up what you say. Not to mention you never read what people say in the first place. The funny thing is, I'm not the only one who thinks that about you - if you believe everything you read, maybe you should believe what people write on your profile.
Grow some balls mate and have the courage to speak to me directly.
Tell me again, do you only come to Liveleak because of the videos? Are the satanic articles too much for you to handle? Absolutely hilarious. Hey look Dudio, the words Im typing right now might have been altered and misconstrued by some extra-terrestrial power...it might even be me typing it. LOL, I apologize, but your comment was just asking for a mocking.
Take care of yourself Dudio. Dont let *words* get to you. ;)
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Ciao Dudio! What do you use to make the avatars? They look great!
Posted May-28-2009 by "ChockFullOfNuts" (B)
good find on that site, thanks for the link.
was worth a look through, that.
i guess i'm just lazy, i just got it off google images..
cheers Dudio.
Posted May-20-2009 by "War_On_Errorism" (R)
it's a decent avatar but a lot of people say i made myself out to be jesus because i'm walking on water in my avatar
that isn't water that's rain bouncing off pavement
ah well
Posted Apr-18-2009 by "lasrever" Premium
Thanks Dudio!
U too buddy.
Posted Apr-13-2009 by "IslamicDeathCult" (R)
Thanks bud :) Take care.
Posted Mar-24-2009 by "Dudio" (R)
---got some of the most interesting avatars on live leak--cheers!----
Posted Mar-24-2009 by "LANEARNOLD" (R)
Yeh. Well I've blocked him now as I just cant be bothered to get irritated by his poorly thought out replies when he poorly reads whatever I've said. I could go through all my replies and quote the times I've answered him before and quote the parts he's tried to make a point about something he's misread, but I'm done 'arguing' now. He has no idea what he's talking about, he's a hypocrite and is a complete idiot. I think we should all just not humor him, he loves it.
Posted Feb-22-2009 by "Dudio" (R)
Well said but i cant believe this argument is still ongoing! What is QXT's problem? He just keeps digging deeper and deeper! Is it Warren25 in disguise?
Posted Feb-21-2009 by "_JihadJoe_" (R)
Grow some balls mate and have the courage to speak to me directly.
Tell me again, do you only come to Liveleak because of the videos? Are the satanic articles too much for you to handle? Absolutely hilarious. Hey look Dudio, the words Im typing right now might have been altered and misconstrued by some extra-terrestrial power...it might even be me typing it. LOL, I apologize, but your comment was just asking for a mocking.
Take care of yourself Dudio. Dont let *words* get to you. ;)
I did speak to you directly genius, I wrote on your profile. You're very poorly educated if you think that everything written down is true. Ever heard of 1st 2nd and 3rd hand evidence? Ever heard of bias? Ever heard of 'saying what you want to say'? My replies to you were 100% logical. You couldn't be more of a hypocrite in what you say to me.
Especially as the only thing you bring to the table is your potty mouth and your ill informed remarks.
You tell me I don't have the ability to debate, yet you have nothing to back up what you say. Not to mention you never read what people say in the first place. The funny thing is, I'm not the only one who thinks that about you - if you believe everything you read, maybe you should believe what people write on your profile.
Yeah, on my profile, but it looked like you were quoting and directing your comments to JihadJoe.
I never said you should believe everything you read. Quite the contrary. You should evaluate and scrutinize everything that you read. However, we would be stuck in the middle ages if we were to be as stupid and unforgiving as you appear. The key is to actually have a basis and reasonable argument as to why you find it to be biased/false/untrue.
So tell me, about that IDF article, what was it about it that made you raise an eyebrow? Go ahead, lets see if you actually had something to base your "I dont believe this article" claim on? What you got?
Bloody hell QXT I'm not repeating myself again. Go back and read why I question text articles. Also the fact I said I know that the IDF have done it before. But if you look at the evidence they are basing it off (not just from that text) it mainly evolves around one video they obtained and Palestinian witnesses.
The thing is the Jews and the Muslims have been at eachothers throats for generations. I hate the Muslims die hard belief system that they try and oppose onto everyone, and I hate the way the Israel 'Defense' force works in keeping the 'peace'. They are both as bad as eachother half the time.
There is more bs propaganda in the air than there is ammunition.
Coming from both sides.
Ok, here's a few quotes as you asked, from that post.. and please read it all (carefully) before you start to reply..
1.)
"Legal scholar Reisner said that if the allegations were true, they should be the subject of a serious investigation by the Israel Defense Forces."
- 'if the allegations were true' - what would you say to that guy? Seeings as someone interviewed in the article has his doubts about the claims too.
Definition of allegation:
A statement asserting something without proof.
Law An assertion made by a party that must be proved or supported with evidence.
2.)
"The Israeli military told McClatchy that it's investigating a variety of allegations about its Gaza operation but it categorically rejected suggestions that soldiers forced any Palestinians to work for them."
and
"Of course we don't use human shields," Israeli military spokesman Capt. Elie Isaacson said. "Just the opposite. We do everything in our power to avoid harm to civilians, bearing in mind that we know Hamas purposely puts them in harm's way."
You would read this and assume its a lie, correct?
I have my doubts too. But if you think an Israeli would make a bias claim like that, then surely it is just as likely for a Palestinian to do the same and say:
"he fighters, one of whom appeared to be wearing a suicide vest, wore Hamas bandannas and told Abed Rabbo to carry a message back to the Israeli soldiers: "We're still alive."
When Abed Rabbo returned with the news, Israeli forces fired guided missiles at the building and then ordered the increasingly reluctant Abed Rabbo to go back inside.
The apartment was on fire, but the militants were still alive. Abed Rabbo said he took back a new message from the militants: "If you are real men, come and face us yourselves."
The Israeli forces called in an Apache helicopter, which mistakenly hit Abed Rabbo's empty house. A second strike hit the militants' building, Abed Rabbo said."
Hmm. Interesting story. If you think this is believable and the Israeli paragraph isn't, then you are seriously overlooking the integrity of this post. You should be - like I am - skeptical over both sides claims, which again, is why I don't believe all that I read.
and finally..
3.)
The guy who wrote this article also wrote, and I think the title says it all:
"Israeli troops killed Gaza children carrying white flag, witnesses say"
'witnesses say' - would these 'witnesses' be Palestinian by chance? - would they be making up as much BS as the Israelis are, by chance?
The fact is, you say "The key is to actually have a basis and reasonable argument" but the reason why I, and all the others who think the same as I do on your profile is that you are just the pot calling the kettle black. Where is your 'reasonable argument' - all you have done is point fingers and throw your tongue around calling people idiots and morons - yet I'm the only looking at this objectively, I've told you my views over and over. I've yet to hear your 'compelling argument yet'
You also say:
"You should evaluate and scrutinize everything that you read. However, we would be stuck in the middle ages if we were to be as stupid and unforgiving as you appear."
- Well, where has yours been? and isn't that slightly hypocritical? I'm criticizing the integrity, yet I'm apparently 'unforgiving' for posing the point that the Palestinians could be making up just as much BS as the Israelis are?
I'm someone who is aware of what the IDF has done in the past, I hate how they deal with 'security' - I think they are trigger happy and reckless. But I also think the Palestinians are just as bad and torment and anger the loose cannon that is Israel.
This has got beyond opinion and logical thinking. I have my reasons, and they ARE logical. This is about an argument, ad I'm not willing to 'argue' with you anymore just because you want to be right. Like I have said, I have my opinions, you have yours. At least I have my reasons.
Wow, you took my advice and grew some. Good man.
You never said you question written articles, you said you disregard them outright. That my friend, is utterly illogical. However, I asked why you thought that particular story was BS.
The fact that the Israeli Supreme court had to ban the practice proves beyond all doubt they were guilty of said crime. This evidence alone far exceeds any claims that Palestinians make or any videos. It was an admission of guilt, what more can you ask for in determining if the criminal is guilty?
Lets stay on topic, cos I couldn't give a sh*t discussing Muzzies/Jews with you.
If party X have admitted to said crime in the past, it is at the very least, reasonable to assume that they are guilty of it now. But more importantly, I am under no obligation to give any facts, because it was you that made the original claim (of not believing the article/event) and so the onus is on YOU to bring forth something to support your claim.
There is nothing to suggest Reisner has his doubts about this. He used the word "allegations", because that is what they are at this stage, just "allegations". A little tip for you, all crimes start with allegations.
Oh forgive me for thinking the IDF statements are just a tad biased, dont you think? Kinda illogical for you to be posting statements about the accused and expecting me to believe them. Of course that's what they would say
So we know that both Palis and Israelis can make their biased claims. So which one do we believe? Well in this case, its all about precedent. It is sensible to assume that the allegations are true because the IDF has done such a thing not too long ago. THAT is my reason for holding my opinion that this new article could be true, but is unlikely to be false...because the PRECEDENT HAS BEEN SET.
Im not claiming that these allegations are 100% true, rather what Im saying is, that there is nothing to suggest they are false. If I were to make an informed conclusion based on what we already know, I would have to say that past events lead us to believe the IDF could very well be guilty this time as well.
One claim is from the warring party, the IDF. The other is from a non-combatant civilian, who is not part of either Hamas or the IDF. The two can not be held equal.
Remember, I didnt start the argument, you did. You claim this should be disregarded but offer no reason as to why, other than a feable, you shouldnt believe everything you read. Know what Dudio, the 9/11 attacks are 'alleged' to have been carried out by Al Qaeda. I guess we should be sceptical about that too right?
I have no reason to reject these allegations, and every reason to believe them, for the afore mentioned reasons.
Go ahead and form an educated opinion on this? Who do you believe Dudio? So far, it looks to me that you just dont want to believe the IDF would do such a thing.
Wow I've actually finally lost the will to reply to you as you clearly never read what I say, you misread absolutely everything. Seriously, you are incapable of replying without thinking. I'm done 'arguing' with you because you are literally talking bollocks now.
Posted Feb-20-2009 by "Dudio" (R)
Grow some balls mate and have the courage to speak to me directly.
Tell me again, do you only come to Liveleak because of the videos? Are the satanic articles too much for you to handle? Absolutely hilarious. Hey look Dudio, the words Im typing right now might have been altered and misconstrued by some extra-terrestrial power...it might even be me typing it. LOL, I apologize, but your comment was just asking for a mocking.
Take care of yourself Dudio. Dont let *words* get to you. ;)
I did speak to you directly genius, I wrote on your profile. You're very poorly educated if you think that everything written down is true. Ever heard of 1st 2nd and 3rd hand evidence? Ever heard of bias? Ever heard of 'saying what you want to say'? My replies to you were 100% logical. You couldn't be more of a hypocrite in what you say to me.
Especially as the only thing you bring to the table is your potty mouth and your ill informed remarks.
You tell me I don't have the ability to debate, yet you have nothing to back up what you say. Not to mention you never read what people say in the first place. The funny thing is, I'm not the only one who thinks that about you - if you believe everything you read, maybe you should believe what people write on your profile.
Yeah, on my profile, but it looked like you were quoting and directing your comments to JihadJoe.
I never said you should believe everything you read. Quite the contrary. You should evaluate and scrutinize everything that you read. However, we would be stuck in the middle ages if we were to be as stupid and unforgiving as you appear. The key is to actually have a basis and reasonable argument as to why you find it to be biased/false/untrue.
So tell me, about that IDF article, what was it about it that made you raise an eyebrow? Go ahead, lets see if you actually had something to base your "I dont believe this article" claim on? What you got?
Bloody hell QXT I'm not repeating myself again. Go back and read why I question text articles. Also the fact I said I know that the IDF have done it before. But if you look at the evidence they are basing it off (not just from that text) it mainly evolves around one video they obtained and Palestinian witnesses.
The thing is the Jews and the Muslims have been at eachothers throats for generations. I hate the Muslims die hard belief system that they try and oppose onto everyone, and I hate the way the Israel 'Defense' force works in keeping the 'peace'. They are both as bad as eachother half the time.
There is more bs propaganda in the air than there is ammunition.
Coming from both sides.
Ok, here's a few quotes as you asked, from that post.. and please read it all (carefully) before you start to reply..
1.)
"Legal scholar Reisner said that if the allegations were true, they should be the subject of a serious investigation by the Israel Defense Forces."
- 'if the allegations were true' - what would you say to that guy? Seeings as someone interviewed in the article has his doubts about the claims too.
Definition of allegation:
A statement asserting something without proof.
Law An assertion made by a party that must be proved or supported with evidence.
2.)
"The Israeli military told McClatchy that it's investigating a variety of allegations about its Gaza operation but it categorically rejected suggestions that soldiers forced any Palestinians to work for them."
and
"Of course we don't use human shields," Israeli military spokesman Capt. Elie Isaacson said. "Just the opposite. We do everything in our power to avoid harm to civilians, bearing in mind that we know Hamas purposely puts them in harm's way."
You would read this and assume its a lie, correct?
I have my doubts too. But if you think an Israeli would make a bias claim like that, then surely it is just as likely for a Palestinian to do the same and say:
"he fighters, one of whom appeared to be wearing a suicide vest, wore Hamas bandannas and told Abed Rabbo to carry a message back to the Israeli soldiers: "We're still alive."
When Abed Rabbo returned with the news, Israeli forces fired guided missiles at the building and then ordered the increasingly reluctant Abed Rabbo to go back inside.
The apartment was on fire, but the militants were still alive. Abed Rabbo said he took back a new message from the militants: "If you are real men, come and face us yourselves."
The Israeli forces called in an Apache helicopter, which mistakenly hit Abed Rabbo's empty house. A second strike hit the militants' building, Abed Rabbo said."
Hmm. Interesting story. If you think this is believable and the Israeli paragraph isn't, then you are seriously overlooking the integrity of this post. You should be - like I am - skeptical over both sides claims, which again, is why I don't believe all that I read.
and finally..
3.)
The guy who wrote this article also wrote, and I think the title says it all:
"Israeli troops killed Gaza children carrying white flag, witnesses say"
'witnesses say' - would these 'witnesses' be Palestinian by chance? - would they be making up as much BS as the Israelis are, by chance?
The fact is, you say "The key is to actually have a basis and reasonable argument" but the reason why I, and all the others who think the same as I do on your profile is that you are just the pot calling the kettle black. Where is your 'reasonable argument' - all you have done is point fingers and throw your tongue around calling people idiots and morons - yet I'm the only looking at this objectively, I've told you my views over and over. I've yet to hear your 'compelling argument yet'
You also say:
"You should evaluate and scrutinize everything that you read. However, we would be stuck in the middle ages if we were to be as stupid and unforgiving as you appear."
- Well, where has yours been? and isn't that slightly hypocritical? I'm criticizing the integrity, yet I'm apparently 'unforgiving' for posing the point that the Palestinians could be making up just as much BS as the Israelis are?
I'm someone who is aware of what the IDF has done in the past, I hate how they deal with 'security' - I think they are trigger happy and reckless. But I also think the Palestinians are just as bad and torment and anger the loose cannon that is Israel.
This has got beyond opinion and logical thinking. I have my reasons, and they ARE logical. This is about an argument, ad I'm not willing to 'argue' with you anymore just because you want to be right. Like I have said, I have my opinions, you have yours. At least I have my reasons.
Wow, you took my advice and grew some. Good man.
You never said you question written articles, you said you disregard them outright. That my friend, is utterly illogical. However, I asked why you thought that particular story was BS.
The fact that the Israeli Supreme court had to ban the practice proves beyond all doubt they were guilty of said crime. This evidence alone far exceeds any claims that Palestinians make or any videos. It was an admission of guilt, what more can you ask for in determining if the criminal is guilty?
Lets stay on topic, cos I couldn't give a sh*t discussing Muzzies/Jews with you.
If party X have admitted to said crime in the past, it is at the very least, reasonable to assume that they are guilty of it now. But more importantly, I am under no obligation to give any facts, because it was you that made the original claim (of not believing the article/event) and so the onus is on YOU to bring forth something to support your claim.
There is nothing to suggest Reisner has his doubts about this. He used the word "allegations", because that is what they are at this stage, just "allegations". A little tip for you, all crimes start with allegations.
Oh forgive me for thinking the IDF statements are just a tad biased, dont you think? Kinda illogical for you to be posting statements about the accused and expecting me to believe them. Of course that's what they would say
So we know that both Palis and Israelis can make their biased claims. So which one do we believe? Well in this case, its all about precedent. It is sensible to assume that the allegations are true because the IDF has done such a thing not too long ago. THAT is my reason for holding my opinion that this new article could be true, but is unlikely to be false...because the PRECEDENT HAS BEEN SET.
Im not claiming that these allegations are 100% true, rather what Im saying is, that there is nothing to suggest they are false. If I were to make an informed conclusion based on what we already know, I would have to say that past events lead us to believe the IDF could very well be guilty this time as well.
One claim is from the warring party, the IDF. The other is from a non-combatant civilian, who is not part of either Hamas or the IDF. The two can not be held equal.
Remember, I didnt start the argument, you did. You claim this should be disregarded but offer no reason as to why, other than a feable, you shouldnt believe everything you read. Know what Dudio, the 9/11 attacks are 'alleged' to have been carried out by Al Qaeda. I guess we should be sceptical about that too right?
I have no reason to reject these allegations, and every reason to believe them, for the afore mentioned reasons.
Go ahead and form an educated opinion on this? Who do you believe Dudio? So far, it looks to me that you just dont want to believe the IDF would do such a thing.
Posted Feb-20-2009 by "QXT" (R)
Grow some balls mate and have the courage to speak to me directly.
Tell me again, do you only come to Liveleak because of the videos? Are the satanic articles too much for you to handle? Absolutely hilarious. Hey look Dudio, the words Im typing right now might have been altered and misconstrued by some extra-terrestrial power...it might even be me typing it. LOL, I apologize, but your comment was just asking for a mocking.
Take care of yourself Dudio. Dont let *words* get to you. ;)
I did speak to you directly genius, I wrote on your profile. You're very poorly educated if you think that everything written down is true. Ever heard of 1st 2nd and 3rd hand evidence? Ever heard of bias? Ever heard of 'saying what you want to say'? My replies to you were 100% logical. You couldn't be more of a hypocrite in what you say to me.
Especially as the only thing you bring to the table is your potty mouth and your ill informed remarks.
You tell me I don't have the ability to debate, yet you have nothing to back up what you say. Not to mention you never read what people say in the first place. The funny thing is, I'm not the only one who thinks that about you - if you believe everything you read, maybe you should believe what people write on your profile.
Yeah, on my profile, but it looked like you were quoting and directing your comments to JihadJoe.
I never said you should believe everything you read. Quite the contrary. You should evaluate and scrutinize everything that you read. However, we would be stuck in the middle ages if we were to be as stupid and unforgiving as you appear. The key is to actually have a basis and reasonable argument as to why you find it to be biased/false/untrue.
So tell me, about that IDF article, what was it about it that made you raise an eyebrow? Go ahead, lets see if you actually had something to base your "I dont believe this article" claim on? What you got?
Bloody hell QXT I'm not repeating myself again. Go back and read why I question text articles. Also the fact I said I know that the IDF have done it before. But if you look at the evidence they are basing it off (not just from that text) it mainly evolves around one video they obtained and Palestinian witnesses.
The thing is the Jews and the Muslims have been at eachothers throats for generations. I hate the Muslims die hard belief system that they try and oppose onto everyone, and I hate the way the Israel 'Defense' force works in keeping the 'peace'. They are both as bad as eachother half the time.
There is more bs propaganda in the air than there is ammunition.
Coming from both sides.
Ok, here's a few quotes as you asked, from that post.. and please read it all (carefully) before you start to reply..
1.)
"Legal scholar Reisner said that if the allegations were true, they should be the subject of a serious investigation by the Israel Defense Forces."
- 'if the allegations were true' - what would you say to that guy? Seeings as someone interviewed in the article has his doubts about the claims too.
Definition of allegation:
A statement asserting something without proof.
Law An assertion made by a party that must be proved or supported with evidence.
2.)
"The Israeli military told McClatchy that it's investigating a variety of allegations about its Gaza operation but it categorically rejected suggestions that soldiers forced any Palestinians to work for them."
and
"Of course we don't use human shields," Israeli military spokesman Capt. Elie Isaacson said. "Just the opposite. We do everything in our power to avoid harm to civilians, bearing in mind that we know Hamas purposely puts them in harm's way."
You would read this and assume its a lie, correct?
I have my doubts too. But if you think an Israeli would make a bias claim like that, then surely it is just as likely for a Palestinian to do the same and say:
"he fighters, one of whom appeared to be wearing a suicide vest, wore Hamas bandannas and told Abed Rabbo to carry a message back to the Israeli soldiers: "We're still alive."
When Abed Rabbo returned with the news, Israeli forces fired guided missiles at the building and then ordered the increasingly reluctant Abed Rabbo to go back inside.
The apartment was on fire, but the militants were still alive. Abed Rabbo said he took back a new message from the militants: "If you are real men, come and face us yourselves."
The Israeli forces called in an Apache helicopter, which mistakenly hit Abed Rabbo's empty house. A second strike hit the militants' building, Abed Rabbo said."
Hmm. Interesting story. If you think this is believable and the Israeli paragraph isn't, then you are seriously overlooking the integrity of this post. You should be - like I am - skeptical over both sides claims, which again, is why I don't believe all that I read.
and finally..
3.)
The guy who wrote this article also wrote, and I think the title says it all:
"Israeli troops killed Gaza children carrying white flag, witnesses say"
'witnesses say' - would these 'witnesses' be Palestinian by chance? - would they be making up as much BS as the Israelis are, by chance?
The fact is, you say "The key is to actually have a basis and reasonable argument" but the reason why I, and all the others who think the same as I do on your profile is that you are just the pot calling the kettle black. Where is your 'reasonable argument' - all you have done is point fingers and throw your tongue around calling people idiots and morons - yet I'm the only looking at this objectively, I've told you my views over and over. I've yet to hear your 'compelling argument yet'
You also say:
"You should evaluate and scrutinize everything that you read. However, we would be stuck in the middle ages if we were to be as stupid and unforgiving as you appear."
- Well, where has yours been? and isn't that slightly hypocritical? I'm criticizing the integrity, yet I'm apparently 'unforgiving' for posing the point that the Palestinians could be making up just as much BS as the Israelis are?
I'm someone who is aware of what the IDF has done in the past, I hate how they deal with 'security' - I think they are trigger happy and reckless. But I also think the Palestinians are just as bad and torment and anger the loose cannon that is Israel.
This has got beyond opinion and logical thinking. I have my reasons, and they ARE logical. This is about an argument, ad I'm not willing to 'argue' with you anymore just because you want to be right. Like I have said, I have my opinions, you have yours. At least I have my reasons.
Posted Feb-19-2009 by "Dudio" (R)
Grow some balls mate and have the courage to speak to me directly.
Tell me again, do you only come to Liveleak because of the videos? Are the satanic articles too much for you to handle? Absolutely hilarious. Hey look Dudio, the words Im typing right now might have been altered and misconstrued by some extra-terrestrial power...it might even be me typing it. LOL, I apologize, but your comment was just asking for a mocking.
Take care of yourself Dudio. Dont let *words* get to you. ;)
I did speak to you directly genius, I wrote on your profile. You're very poorly educated if you think that everything written down is true. Ever heard of 1st 2nd and 3rd hand evidence? Ever heard of bias? Ever heard of 'saying what you want to say'? My replies to you were 100% logical. You couldn't be more of a hypocrite in what you say to me.
Especially as the only thing you bring to the table is your potty mouth and your ill informed remarks.
You tell me I don't have the ability to debate, yet you have nothing to back up what you say. Not to mention you never read what people say in the first place. The funny thing is, I'm not the only one who thinks that about you - if you believe everything you read, maybe you should believe what people write on your profile.
Yeah, on my profile, but it looked like you were quoting and directing your comments to JihadJoe.
I never said you should believe everything you read. Quite the contrary. You should evaluate and scrutinize everything that you read. However, we would be stuck in the middle ages if we were to be as stupid and unforgiving as you appear. The key is to actually have a basis and reasonable argument as to why you find it to be biased/false/untrue.
So tell me, about that IDF article, what was it about it that made you raise an eyebrow? Go ahead, lets see if you actually had something to base your "I dont believe this article" claim on? What you got?
Posted Feb-19-2009 by "QXT" (R)
Grow some balls mate and have the courage to speak to me directly.
Tell me again, do you only come to Liveleak because of the videos? Are the satanic articles too much for you to handle? Absolutely hilarious. Hey look Dudio, the words Im typing right now might have been altered and misconstrued by some extra-terrestrial power...it might even be me typing it. LOL, I apologize, but your comment was just asking for a mocking.
Take care of yourself Dudio. Dont let *words* get to you. ;)
I did speak to you directly genius, I wrote on your profile. You're very poorly educated if you think that everything written down is true. Ever heard of 1st 2nd and 3rd hand evidence? Ever heard of bias? Ever heard of 'saying what you want to say'? My replies to you were 100% logical. You couldn't be more of a hypocrite in what you say to me.
Especially as the only thing you bring to the table is your potty mouth and your ill informed remarks.
You tell me I don't have the ability to debate, yet you have nothing to back up what you say. Not to mention you never read what people say in the first place. The funny thing is, I'm not the only one who thinks that about you - if you believe everything you read, maybe you should believe what people write on your profile.
Posted Feb-19-2009 by "Dudio" (R)
Hi Dudio,
Grow some balls mate and have the courage to speak to me directly.
Tell me again, do you only come to Liveleak because of the videos? Are the satanic articles too much for you to handle? Absolutely hilarious. Hey look Dudio, the words Im typing right now might have been altered and misconstrued by some extra-terrestrial power...it might even be me typing it. LOL, I apologize, but your comment was just asking for a mocking.
Take care of yourself Dudio. Dont let *words* get to you. ;)
Posted Feb-19-2009 by "QXT" (R)
It's nice to see that some Europeans refuse to submit.
Cheers from America.
Posted Jan-28-2009 by "IslamicDeathCult" (R)