http://digitaljournal.com/article/343981
Newtown seeks to deny Media access to Sandy Hook Victim death Certificates.
The Media is still yet to get any actual hard proof of the children's death and practically begging for evidence now. The Connecticut FOI Act http://www.ct.gov/foi/cwp/view.asp?a=4163&Q=507660
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My opinion. Article and link follows.
This is a major violation of the Freedom of Information Act. They are in the process of trying to make it illegal for anyone to access underage Death Certificates ever since the media and everyone wanted to see the Certificates as proof. So the media said "Well, you cannot keep them from us. That is against the law..."
We are being denied to see the death certificates to prove that children actually died in Sandy Hook.
At this time, there are no actual photos of them dead, body bags, or videos of them in the school. The media is just simply requesting proof while they refuse to allow the Media access to the death certificates. They say "We are going to hold them in the mean time "Until" we make it illegal"...
Which is complete Bullshit and not allowed. Some say the certificates do not even exist.
How come for the first time ever, they are trying to cover up the Death Certificates? We did not do this for any other children who died in previous events. Why are they so god dam obsessed with wanting it illegal??? Just show us the fucking proof and everyone will stop saying that the kids never existed. Or is it because they are trying to cover it up and there are no real death certificates?
You decide.
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ARTICLE:
http://digitaljournal.com/article/343981
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By: Vorna
In: Conspiracy
Tags: sandy, hook, lanza, death, certificate, government, hoax, shooting, illegal
Location: United States (load item map)
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Why would they be so afraid of showing anyone a piece of paper? This makes no sense, unless there is something to hide here.
I guess they don't realize that they are actually feeding the conspiracy theory.
Posted Feb-22-2013 Bymtndweller (66.80) mtndweller View Channel Send Message
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Exactly. That is the problem. Never has there been a time when they tried to hide Death Certificates. Now all of a sudden when media requests real hard evidence of their deaths, they cannot even get that.
What they are doing is illegal. They cannot say "no, you cannot have them".
Posted Feb-22-2013 ByVorna (219.10) 
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@Vorna the parents can!My child died- and i dont have to provide proof of that to just any motherfucker who comes down the pike- shit- get a life.
Posted Feb-22-2013 ByRie60 (197.62) 
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False. When your child dies, someone has to confirm there was indeed a body and provide a death certificate.
There is always proof someone died. But magically they cannot "prove" over 20 people including the adults died? Not a single hard evidence. They wont even release th adult certificates.
WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE PUBLIC RECORD. Or did you forget that?
Posted Feb-22-2013 ByVorna (219.10) 
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@Vorna Wrong and false- when there is no way to confirm that there is indeed a body (say as in a missing person declared dead) and yes- you may be right to say that there would indeed BE bodies in this instance....but let me tell you- as the parent of a dead child- if my childs head was destroyed by some maniac-sometimes the kindest thing the authorities can do is to give you the news and let you grieve....not let you live for what (given that these were the children of probably 20-30 somethings More..
Posted Feb-22-2013 ByRie60 (197.62) 
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Joke is on me. Checked your channel out. Someone said you were a shill but I ignored it until now. Now that I see your channel, the comments , and see how you are debating, I have decided that you must be a shill.
I am choosing to believe it without hard evidence by the way. OH.. hehe, I just used your own logic to make this choice. How fun.
Derail the conversation some more please. But I was foolish for buying into your tricks.
Hope your Internet Shill is worth it when you More..
Posted Feb-22-2013 ByVorna (219.10) 
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All family members as well were asked to only I.D their children via a Photo. Not a single parent saw their child's body.
If it was my child, I would want absolute proof it was indeed my child. Show me the body.
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@Vorna No kiddin' So wy weren't the parents allowed to see their child's body? I don't understand, is there anyone who can actually give reason as to why this is?
Posted Feb-22-2013 ByCrippled Wizard (16.40) 
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Yes. Because they asked the parents to only Id them by photo. But the parents have the right ti see their dead child, no matter what happened to them. But not a single parent of ANY of them wanted to see their child. Not one.
In all other events in history, nearly every parent has been asked or has requested to see the body.
That is like someone telling me my wife died but please, only Id her with this perfectly good looking photo of her. But I will never know if she w More..
Posted Feb-22-2013 ByVorna (219.10) 
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Complete Bullshit. The governor was shown the kids bodies by their parents at many of the funerals. Many of them had most of their heads blown completely off.
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It's a lie.
Posted Feb-22-2013 Bypicklethepug (1279.06) picklethepug View Channel Send Message
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@Vorna
LIES.
Posted Feb-22-2013 Bypicklethepug (1279.06) picklethepug View Channel Send Message
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Birth and Death records are public domain documents. What reason would any town have for denying access to those records? They are not only important to immediate relatives. I had to get death records a few years back to establish ownership of a piece of property.
The fact IS that the reporting on this tragedy was so flawed and changed so many times that it has caused many reasons for some thinking that perhaps it either didn't happen the way the government and media would like us to believe More..
Posted Feb-23-2013 ByRobert Pavlick (0.00) 
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Wouldn't be surprised if the weapons used were only pistols, or that if an AR was used, it would still be in compliance with any proposed "ASShault weapons ban"...Connecticut did have the 5th toughest gun laws in the nation. So if the killer acquired them from his mother (who owned them legally), it stands to reason....
Posted Feb-22-2013 ByMariner1 (273.00) 
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Well actually, I think they said the Certificates may not actually contain what type of gun that killed them. Only that it was death by a gun. They mostly want to just have it as hard evidence.
Posted Feb-22-2013 ByVorna (219.10) 
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The coroners report (I don't know about the death certificate), would have the calibers used... The police report would have what types of guns, magazine sizes, etc.... I don't think (I could be wrong) that the police have released anything official in that capacity either...
Posted Feb-22-2013 ByMariner1 (273.00) 
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Put down the gasoline soaked rag, you tweaker.
The medical examiner held a press conference the day after the incident. HE was the one who said most of the victims were shot with a rifle, 3 to 10 times each. Until that point it was thought that he only used pistols.
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Please watch this. Might help you come back to reality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE0OT5od9DA
Posted Feb-22-2013 Bypicklethepug (1279.06) picklethepug View Channel Send Message
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He said all of the victims were killed with the long gun, but then retracted it. He did not even know how many were male or female..
Listne to this guy, do you honestly feel he just examined 20+ children shot 2-10 times? No
He provided no info we did not already have. He even retracted the long gun statements in the interview.
This whole story from day 1 to the end has been so mixed up and mixed up that I do not think any media got it right. Because they all kept gett More..
Posted Feb-22-2013 ByVorna (219.10) 
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I KNOW IT MAY BE HARD TO BELIEVE & ACCEPT THAT SOMEONE CAN BE SO COLD HEARTED BUT I AM SORRY TO SAY THAT THERE IS ACTUAL PROOF THAT THIS MASSACRE OCCURED. I CANOT BE CERTAIN WHO THEY KEY PLAYERS WERE (GOVERNMENT OR NOT) BUT HERE IS PROOF THAT ANA MARQUEZ GREENE PARISHED
https://www.facebook.com/RememberingAna?fref=ts
HER MOTHER WENT ON TO SAY HOW SHE HAD READ SOME COMMENTS ON THIS PAGE THAT SHE WAS SO FAKE, AND SHE SAYS SHE ACTUALLY WISH THAT IT WAS BUT THE TRUTH IS EVIL VISITED NEWTO More..
Posted Feb-25-2013 ByTinka (0.00) 
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If I was the parent of one of the children killed in this incident, I'd tell the "media" they can go right ahead and fuck themselves before they get to read the the details of the slaughter of my child so they can make money publishing the information.
Posted Feb-22-2013 Bypicklethepug (1279.06) picklethepug View Channel Send Message
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@picklethepug Exactly, who wants a bunch of losers having access to that type of deeply personal information on your dead child. Why can't these sickos understand..
Posted Feb-22-2013 Byplanesailing (331.70) 
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@planesailing Too many idiots in our world.
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@picklethepug
Death certificates don't contain "details of the slaughter", just cause of death.
Posted Feb-22-2013 Bypassive_observer (867.60) 
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That is absurd. The people deserve to know the truth and if you are going to stand in the way of finding it, then help me god. You deserve no truth then.
Our for fathers said that for your information.
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Posted Feb-22-2013 ByVorna (219.10) 
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@planesailing
The losers who check to make sure someone "actually" died and is not missing or under a witness protection program. The kind of losers who make sure YOU know the facts and not just SPECULATION.
The media, the detectives. Anyone trying to find the truth.
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Posted Feb-22-2013 ByVorna (219.10) 
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leave em alone- their kids died for Christs sake- seriously stop being such an inappropriate prick.
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The only real truth a man gets, is by the evidence he gathers from questioning. Any man who puts a limit on those questions is only concealing the truth.
So in other words, Dont ask questions because they were kids? Try telling that to the investigators and detectives who try to find the truth of what happened to thousands of kids every day who are killed by random people.
Do not investigate or ask questions.. they are dead, leave it be.
Please...
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Posted Feb-22-2013 ByVorna (219.10) 
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@Vorna no YOU please- leave these poor people alone with their grief- you wanna get your jollies off this kind of shit? Go to bestgore.
Posted Feb-22-2013 ByRie60 (197.62) 
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Leave them alone? They are in peace. Not even media can get to them.
You find NOTHING WEIRD about ANNNNNY of this?? AT ALL?
Or is questioning not your strong point?
PErhaps if I told you I went to mars and took my space suit off and breathed air, you would believe me? Why not? You have no more evidence than my word against yours.
In other words, if the feds said it happened, then it happend. If that is all you can provide for evidence, then that is all you are pretty muc More..
Posted Feb-22-2013 ByVorna (219.10) 
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@Vorna here you are again with the same bullshit arguements haha. this is getting funny
Posted Feb-24-2013 ByLee-Van Houde (2.90) 
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Must be a nightmare being one of those parents, and now with all this paranoid bs to swallow that is washing around the Internet too.
Posted Feb-22-2013 Byplanesailing (331.70) 
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Must be hard accepting things with no real evidence to back it up but people saying it happened.
Posted Feb-22-2013 ByVorna (219.10) 
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@Vorna Right! It's not like the media or government has ever fabricated anything in the past. They are beyond reproach and their integrity is iron clad, right?
Posted Feb-22-2013 ByXR400R (431.30) 
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Yep exactly. The Government and Media are out to help the people.. not themselves...
How dumb are people getting?
We ask for Evidence... and they call us crazy. What kind of backward world do we live in?
Posted Feb-22-2013 ByVorna (219.10) 
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'just show us the fucking proof and everyone will stop saying that the kids never existed'... ROFL - yeah, right. like obama's birth certificate.
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Good one. True. But Lets hope we can finally get some dam hard evidence and we can at least put this part of the conspiracy to bed. So far.. media is still looking for "hard" proof there were any bodies at all.
Posted Feb-22-2013 ByVorna (219.10) 
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@Vorna scroll up
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tin foil hat time. It was staged, faked, is that what you're implying?
Why would this be a violation of the "Freedom of Information Act"? By that logic, does the media have any right to a individuals Birth Certificate. Should I be able to get a copy of anyone's birth certificate? No, and why should a death certificate be any different. (Imagine the fraud and identity theft if that was allowed).The freedom of information act, has nothing to do with personal legal documentat More..
Posted Feb-22-2013 Bytsnwi (291.00) tsnwi View Channel Send Message
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@tsnwi You must be on the administrations payroll....
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Perhaps this may come as a shock to you.. But """" FACT """" is, it is the law. It is freedom of Information. Right now they have no right to hold the death certificates from the Media or ANYONE. The Media demands it and what they are doing is against the law.
Posted Feb-22-2013 ByVorna (219.10) 
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i think what they are withholding is WHAT they were killed with. the media still passed it off as if the AR15 did it.
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I thought that as well but I do not thik the death certificates have to say what type of weapon was used anyway. I think it just says Death Caused by: Gun shot wounds.
The article mentions that as well. So I see no reason on why they would "Need" to hold them illegally.
Posted Feb-22-2013 ByVorna (219.10) 
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What will seeing death certificates prove? If the government really is trying to cover it up (which I do not think they are) for whatever reasons, they have the power and control to fake up the death certificates if they wanted to. So in my eyes that wouldn't be proof. I do not and would not want to see any visuals of the crime scene. I would be devastated if my child died there and there was pics floating around of his dead body. These parents are heartbroken over what happened and I do not t More..
Posted Feb-23-2013 ByKel007 (27.10) 
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for all you conspiracy nuts:
Parents of the dead children were advised to identify them from photographs, such was the carnage. But every parent reacts differently. Veronique Pozner did the most difficult thing. She asked to see the body.
"I owed it to him as his mother, the good, the bad and the ugly," she said. ". . . And as a little boy, you have to go in the ground. If I am going to shut my eyes to that, I am not his mother. I had to bear it. I had to do it."
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Yet no media or anyone else but the mother and the "governor" was allowed to see the child.
We need more evidence than that.
Either case, the Media is simply just asking for the Death Certificates. That is all. Nothing wrong in that. It is Public Record and they are breaking the law for not releasing it to the media.
Posted Feb-22-2013 ByVorna (219.10) 
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You got serious mental problems if you wanna see death certificates of children birthed by someone you don't know. At least give the parents some courtesy.
Posted Feb-22-2013 ByMartiansArePunk (326.50) 
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The media should never be held back from finding the truth.
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Posted Feb-22-2013 ByVorna (219.10) 
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I'm certainly not bagging on that aspect at all. I agree fully, but this trauma is still fresh for the parents and that info. will unavoidably be released to the inquiriers in the near future. Demanding the release now is kind of distasteful.
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We need to stop using our Emotions to determine what is right and wrong. That is not only how they are controlling us, but we just don't have time for this shit anymore. Look around you. The lack of Logic and Common sense and the non existence of questioning is destroying our planet and who we are.
When is it "enough" time? We have become such a pussy type of society that just justifies every action we do and have an excuse for everything.
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