German Sturmgewehr MP-44: Larry Vickers On the World's First Assault Rifle
One of Germany's revolutionary new weapons of World War 2. And like all the other German wonder weapons, too little too late to turn the tide for Nazi Germany.
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Added: May-16-2012 Occurred On: May-16-2012
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Tags: MP-44, Sturmgewehr, Victers tactical, assault rifles
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By: Fine_Just_Fine
In: Weapons
Tags: MP-44, Sturmgewehr, Victers tactical, assault rifles
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This is a deadly beauty, father of the AK.
Very happy that Germany don't produce it in 43!
Posted May-16-2012 ByAtrey (137.30) 
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What if Hitler wasn't an idiot obsessed with fragmented command & vengeance weapons.
Jet interceptors.
Jet bombers.
1st gen stealth.
das bomba?
Posted May-16-2012 Byrozza2012 (403.08) 
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and looks as bad ass as it really is !!
Posted May-16-2012 Byspartan112 (937.80) 
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the russians made a very good copy of it
Posted May-16-2012 Bymoparfreak (11.80) 
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@moparfreak AK47
Posted May-16-2012 Bymatspur32 (883.30) 
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yup
Posted May-16-2012 Bymoparfreak (11.80) 
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I've always thought the ammo was a bit ineffective looking though, at longer ranges anyway. Definitely wouldn't do much to the body armor but ground troops generally didn't even wear flak jackets so yeah, would have been a game changer. At longer ranges I'd take the M1 hands down though.
Posted May-16-2012 ByEmrysM (1894.46) 
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@EmrysM I hear what your saying about the M1 (Great Gun), but don't ya think it has the edge in close quarters?
Posted May-16-2012 ByRoastbeefwithcheese (602.80) Roastbeefwithcheese View Channel Send Message
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I agree, also German infantry unit never let the bolt action rifle down so even at great distance you can be shot.
Posted May-16-2012 ByAtrey (137.30) 
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@Roastbeefwithcheese Oh yeah, the STG had all the makings of an effective assault rifle, but the ammunition didn't have the effectiveness at range.
For urban combat I'd take the STG, maybe even fighting in lightly populated suburbs, but when it comes to fighting through largely fielded or lightly wooded areas I'd take the M1.
Posted May-16-2012 ByEmrysM (1894.46) 
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@EmrysM The 7.92 kurtz was only slightly less powerful then the Soviet 7.62 x 39 (that came much later) and much more powerful then the U.S. M1 carbine (that was well know for firing an under-powered round that did not always stop the enemy).
Posted May-16-2012 ByFine_Just_Fine (2051.12) 
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@Fine_Just_Fine Ah... Wow you're right. Dunno why I thought it was a much smaller caliber. Guess I was mixing up the cartridge lengths. I'll revise my statement: Yes I'd take the STG-44 over the M1. I'd still take the Garand for shots over 300 yards though.
Posted May-16-2012 ByEmrysM (1894.46) 
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did they only load 25 max because the springs would wear out faster? (not an expert)
Posted May-16-2012 ByRoastbeefwithcheese (602.80) Roastbeefwithcheese View Channel Send Message
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@Roastbeefwithcheese thats what i would always do
Posted May-16-2012 Byabsu69 (2170.94) absu69 View Channel Send Message
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@Roastbeefwithcheese No because it was more prone to jam, the more full you loaded the magazine. Because of more spring tension the bolt has to fight against to chamber the round (that of course gets weaker the less rounds you have in the mag). They underloaded the MP-40 magazine too, it held 30 rounds but they'd often load less for the same reason.
Posted May-16-2012 ByFine_Just_Fine (2051.12) 
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@Fine_Just_Fine Reason i asked was because i heard that nam vets did the same with the old m16s
Posted May-16-2012 ByRoastbeefwithcheese (602.80) Roastbeefwithcheese View Channel Send Message
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@Fine_Just_Fine
I had always read it was done for another reason, not because of the bolt tension. It seems the magazine lips lost their specific angle due to the bullets pushing against them when fully loaded. When those lips had a minor angle than the opne it was designed for, the bullet flow would stop and thus the weapon jam.
Posted May-16-2012 Bymcgus (649.04) 
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@mcgus that's another good possibility too but i'd guess would be more likely to happen on used up/banged up/almost worn out magazines. The magazines ought to work with designed capacity but in wartime everything gets dirty, beat up, abused and worn out including the soldiers!
Posted May-16-2012 ByFine_Just_Fine (2051.12) 
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k98 ftw
Posted May-16-2012 Byabsu69 (2170.94) absu69 View Channel Send Message
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The first assault rifle
Posted May-16-2012 Bybravo61 (8796.06) 
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Good thing Hitler liked to sleep in!
Posted May-16-2012 BySteinagus (214.40) 
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fake doc, just like it was first issued in 1944 but designed in 42
the ak based on this, its sexy and simple
Posted May-16-2012 Bynowhereman1 (495.12) 
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looks alot like the AK47
Posted May-16-2012 Bymatspur32 (883.30) 
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@matspur32 Kalshnikov always denied being influenced by the MP-44 at all. Except all you have to do is look at Kalashnikov's first weapon design that was nothing like the AK. The design influences are obvious except Kalashnikov made it so much simpler, leaving out plenty of unecessary parts and improving it. The Sturgemwher design for instance, had the recoil spring going straight into an unlined hole in the wooden buttstock which was sure to make the spring kink and jam after a few thousand More..
Posted May-16-2012 ByFine_Just_Fine (2051.12) 
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@Fine_Just_Fine it is what it is a gun that kills a weapon from the 1st world war is just as afectiv
Posted May-16-2012 Bymatspur32 (883.30) 
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The real son of the STG-44 in terms of mechanism was the Spanish CETME rifle.
Posted May-16-2012 Bymcgus (649.04) 
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@mcgus was it il gotta look that up i have never looked into spanish inovation im a sheep il look :)
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Some Nazi German weapons engineers ended up in Spain, and worked here in the same plans of what was going to be the STG-45.
http://firearms4u.net/?p=654
http://dieschem.tripod.com/id21.html
Posted May-16-2012 Bymcgus (649.04) 
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