President Obama has just announced that the United States killed Osama bin Laden today in Abbottabad, Pakistan, and recovered his body. It has been nine years and seven months since Osama orchestrated 9/11, but an American team finally killed him. His body is in American hands. This is revenge, but it’s also deterrence and also means that bin Laden won’t kill any more Americans. This is the single most important success the United States has had in its war against Al Qaeda.
So what does this mean? First, it is good for the United States reputation, power and influence that we finally got bin Laden. Bin Laden’s ability to escape from the U.S., and his apparent impunity, fed an image in some Islamist quarters of America as a paper tiger — and that encouraged extremists. Bin Laden himself once said that people bet on the strong horse, the horse that will win, and the killing underscores that it’s the United States that is the horse to bet on. Moreover, this sends a message that you mess with America at your peril, and that there will be consequences for a terror attack on the United States.That said, killing bin Laden does not end Al Qaeda. Ayman al-Zawahri, the Egyptian No. 2, has long played a crucial role as Al Qaeda’s COO. And Al Qaeda is more of a loose network than a tightly structured organization, and that has become even more true in recent years. AQIM, the version of Al Qaeda in North Africa, is a real threat in countries like Mali and Mauritania, and killing bin Laden will probably have negligible consequences there. The AQIM terrorists may admire Osama and be inspired by him, but they also are believed to be largely independent of him. And Anwar al-Awlaki, the Qaeda-linked terrorist in Yemen, likewise won’t be deterred by bin Laden’s killing — Awlaki’s ability to engage in terrorism will be affected more by the upheavals now taking place in Yemen and whether that country has a strong and legitimate government that takes counter-terrorism seriously.
It’s also true that bin Laden’s killing might have mattered more in 2002 or 2003. At that time in countries like Pakistan, many ordinary people had a very high regard for bin Laden and doubted that he was centrally involved in the 9/11 attacks. Over time that view has changed: popular opinion has moved more against him, and you no longer see Osama t-shirts for sale in the markets. Some people still feel a bit of respect for his ability to outwit the United States, or they are so anti-American that they embrace anybody we don’t like, but bin Laden has been marginalized over time.
Osama’s declining image also means that he won’t be a martyr in many circles (although if Americans appear too celebratory and triumphant, dancing on his grave, that may create a sympathetic backlash for Osama). Many ordinary Pakistanis, Yemenis and Afghans will simply shrug and move on. His death won’t inspire people, the way it might have in 2002. And Al Qaeda is already going through a difficult time because it has been sidelined by the Arab Spring protests; on top of that, losing its top leader will be a major blow.It will be fascinating to see what the Pakistani reaction is to a U.S. military operation on their soil. It seemed to me that President Obama was going out of his way to sound deferential to Pakistan — and to emphasize that Osama was an enemy of Pakistan as well as of America — precisely because he was concerned that Pakistanis might react with outrage at an American military operation.
President Obama said that he had word last August that Osama might be in a compound in Abbottabad. It took a long time to evaluate that information, and last week it was confirmed enough to order a strike. Then today there was an assault by American forces (perhaps a C.I.A. team or special forces?) and after a firefight bin Laden was killed and his body recovered. I can’t help wondering if Raymond Davis, the American who was arrested by Pakistanis after shooting people in Lahore while apparently on a C.I.A. operation, was somehow involved in this operation to confirm bin Laden’s presence, and if that wasn’t a reason for the hush-hush nature of his work. And of course this also raises questions about how Osama got to Abbottabad from Afghanistan and what if anything the Pakistanis knew. President Musharraf and others always told me and others that Osama was in Afghanistan, not Pakistan, and even suggested that he might have died. So much for Musharraf.
One question is whether the Osama killing will lead to intelligence that will help track down Zawahri and other Al Qaeda leaders or operatives, whether in Pakistan or elsewhere in the world. It might also help work out terror financing networks. Imagine the effort to go through Osama’s laptop.
Will there be a reprisal attack by Al Qaeda? Maybe. But after all Al Qaeda has already been trying to hit us. It’s not as if it has shown any restraint.The larger challenge is whether we can press this gain and further dismantle Al Qaeda in the Afghanistan-Pakistan region. If so, it may be easier to end the Afghan war by working out a deal in Afghanistan between the Karzai government and the Taliban. For while they are noxious in a thousand ways, the Taliban themselves are inward looking and not linked to foreign terrorism except through their hosting of Al Qaeda; if foreign fighters like bin Laden are out of the picture, an agreement becomes more feasible.
The United States and Afghan governments alike pretty much believe that the only way out of the problems in Afghanistan is some kind of a political deal, in which the Taliban stops fighting and joins the government, and in turn is allowed a measure of influence in Pashtun areas. That will be more feasible if bin Laden is gone — and if other foreign fighters also fade from the scene.
Of course, allowing the Taliban a role in southern Afghanistan raises all kinds of questions, not least the impact on Afghan women. The Taliban would be a catastrophe for Afghan women. On the other hand, the war is also a catastrophe for Afghan women. And there are some indications that the Taliban are willing to compromise on some elements of policy toward women, such as girls’ schooling. That would all have to be negotiated.
Finally, what does this mean for President Obama’s political prospects? I don’t think very much. November 2012 is a long way away, and the main political issue is likely to be the economy. After all, George H.W. Bush was a hero after the Gulf War victory in early 1991, and by Nov. 1992 was defeated by Bill Clinton because of the economic slowdown.
These are my quick thoughts, rushed together as President Obama speaks. So what do you think this means? Your thoughts most welcome.null
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Over the weekend there was some worry over possible terrorist attacks either in London (where the Royal wedding took place) or Rome (where millions gathered for the beatification of John Paul II).
Turns out it was the terrorists who should have been worried.
This is a major victory.
Posted May-2-2011 Byjohn1054 (5104.94)

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yeah a major victory. Its like winning the world cup after trying for years and then tossing the cup in the sea, marvellous :)
Posted May-2-2011 Bybazeret2 (223.96) 
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Nonsense. For the last nine years it has almost continuously stunk to be an Islamic terrorist. This morning it stinks even worse.
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Yeah but you have to admit it is an epic failure to dump his ass in the sea, and based on Islamic Religious horse shit no less. Fucker should be on ice in a morgue on a military base in the states.
Now we are going to get Trump, Beck and Limbaugh shouting out yet another conspiracy theory.
Posted May-2-2011 ByZardoz003 (1572.02) 
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@bazeret2 with respect: By dumping his body at sea, we show we are not ghouls - holding a corpse up for display. That's something the barbarians use to do.
Feed him to the fish and let his ghost try and find it's way home.
Posted May-2-2011 Byviennachoirboy (193.02) viennachoirboy View Channel Send Message
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with respect back every other islamist militant gets hoisted up when full of bullet holes. Look at the coverage the dead hussein family got.
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Bin Laden was buried at sea to prevent his burial site from becoming a shrine of some sort (even though that is not the custom in Islam). President Obama does deserve more credit than he is being given by his critics since he was in the position to act where Clinton and Bush did not: Act upon intelligence as to Bin Laden's location and commit US forces to take him out.
Again, this was something Clinton and Bush would not do.
Al-Qaeda is still a threat. Since the retribution for 9/11, their More..
Posted May-2-2011 Byviennachoirboy (193.02) viennachoirboy View Channel Send Message
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Another horse shit statement, Both Clinton and Bush did in fact act, they were just unsuccessful.
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@Zardoz003 - with respect: Yes they acted in some respects, but both had an opportunity to do away with bin Laden in particular instances where location was know and chose not to do so.
Bush, Cheney and the rest of the Faux news crowd were crowing this for the past 10 years. They lowered their volume when the details of bin Laden's escape from Tora-Bora were made public.
So, in this regard. Obama succeeded where his predecessors failed.
and please, use mature language during adult discussio More..
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I'm pretty sure "horse shit" is adult language.
Your reply agreeing with me is validation of it.
That said, Bush had good reason not to go after him wholeheartedly, he like all republican dip shits think that war is good for business and adds to their political clout.
Clinton was late at dropping a bomb on him yet put him on a high enough priority to make it the first thing to talk to Bush about.
I'll say this for Obama, he could have bombed that place and su More..
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@Zardoz003 "HS" is adult language - not mature language. That's the extent of our disagreement.
You are correct that Bush, Cheney, McCain and/or Palin would have bombed first, then put the cost of the aftermath - politically and financially - on the tab of the American people and their allies.
Clinton's reason for not taking out bin Laden was reasonable - there was too much - and too costly - collateral damage sleeping nearby (Princes of Oman and Saudi Arabia).
Bush's reasons wer More..
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