2 volunteer firefighters shot dead, 2 hurt in 'trap' at fire in upstate N.Y. [INCIDENT AUDIO]
On Monday, Dec. 24, 2012 a gunman open fire on four volunteer firefighters from Webster NY as they arrived on scene of a car and house on fire. Two firefighters were killed, two others were shot and survived with injuries.
The audio is of the incidents.
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Added: Dec-24-2012 Occurred On: Dec-24-2012
By: uncletom
In: Regional News
Tags: webster, firefighter, fire, volunteer, new york, gunman, assault rifle, gun
Location: Webster, New York, United States (load item map)
Marked as: approved, featured
Views: 40210 | Comments: 800 | Votes: 7 | Favorites: 8 | Shared: 1149 | Updates: 0 | Times used in channels: 2
By: uncletom
In: Regional News
Tags: webster, firefighter, fire, volunteer, new york, gunman, assault rifle, gun
Location: Webster, New York, United States (load item map)
Marked as: approved, featured
Views: 40210 | Comments: 800 | Votes: 7 | Favorites: 8 | Shared: 1149 | Updates: 0 | Times used in channels: 2
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Tragic circumstances, respect from a previous volunteer firefighter in Canada.
Posted Dec-24-2012 ByMizal (28.50) 
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@Mizal voted fellow canuck.
Posted Dec-24-2012 Bycanadianbeer (164.60) 
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@Mizal Special place in hell for this guy, death by torture would be too good for him.
Posted Dec-25-2012 Byh0lla (26.20) 
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what a coincidence, ASSAULT RIFLES! HMMMMMMM! This comes just the same day bloomberg talks about confiscation of guns in the ny post. WHY IN THE HELL WOULD SOMEONE SET FIRE TO A HOUSE JUST TO AMBUSH FIREFIGHTERS! FUCKING MAKES NO SENSE, WHAT DOES MAKE SENSE IS THE ALL OUT ASSAULT OF BAN OF WEAPONS!. FUNNY THAT ASSAULT WEAPON WAS MENTIONED OVER THE RADIO!. THERE GONNA CONTINUE THESE FALSE FLAGS UNTIL WEAPONS ARE CONFISCATED ALL OVER THE USA.
Posted Dec-24-2012 Byvirtualdesires (492.24) virtualdesires View Channel Send Message
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@virtualdesires
DING DING DING. :)
I think I am going to subscribe to you. We tend to think on very similar levels.
This is 9/11 Scare tactics all over again. What next, a Gun Terror Chart? I bet they start it at Orange.. and slowly move it back and forth between yellow and orange over and over while making sure to send random people anthrax made from an American lab.
Posted Dec-24-2012 ByVorna (219.10) 
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@virtualdesires
LOL, and people call me crazy because i beliefe in ufos. :D
Posted Dec-24-2012 ByvonRaven (127.42) 
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@virtualdesires
Ban guns all you want, it will reduce what is out there, but there will always be illegal ways of getting these guns if people want them...
I don't pretend to know the answer, tougher laws may not help as these guys always kill themselves anyway escaping punishment so what is the point there?? I definitely don't agree with the NRA either, you can't just put armed guards everywhere... That is just going to lead to a bunch of "accidents"...from armed teachers, armed fi More..
Posted Dec-24-2012 ByKen A (0.70) 
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@virtualdesires Too bad you're probably right. "Assault Rifle" was mentioned early in the recording.
Posted Dec-24-2012 ByWeimadog (23.58) 
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@virtualdesires i can agree to what alot of what you are saying! first is.. it was a hunting rifle, not assualt but you are right the first thing everyone says is that it was a assualt rifle.. secondly, this man has murdered before and was let out of prison in 98, lastly, i think ( just speculating here) that maybe he was expecting the world to end on the 21st and when it didnt he figured hed go out like a scumbag peice of shit.. im a volunteer FF myself and this sends chills through my spine..
Posted Dec-24-2012 BySoulja201 (27.94) Soulja201 View Channel Send Message
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Merry Christmas and RIP.
What a fucking shame.
Posted Dec-24-2012 Bydcmfox (30914.36) 
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@dcmfox Indeed :(
Posted Dec-24-2012 BySinisterR6 (23.18) SinisterR6 View Channel Send Message
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Anyone read about who did the shooting? A mother fucking convicted felon who did 17yrs for manslaughter.... yes lets let the fuckers out of jail to continue doing this shit.
Only good felons are dead felons.
Posted Dec-24-2012 Bylewser77 (69.00) 
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And there you have it. After 10 seconds the word "assault rifle" is used. America you better lock and load cus they're coming for your guns, it's always the guns fault never the psycho on Prozac who loaded it and pulled the trigger.
Posted Dec-24-2012 ByCaptainpish (63.90) 
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Exactly, why would a gun nute use an assault rifle to #1.. kill firefighters? #2. knowing they are trying to take them away from people and he does not agree with it, and #3. does it at the worst possible time making all gun owners look bad?
Posted Dec-24-2012 ByVorna (219.10) 
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@Vorna Because he's crazy? Crazy people don't care about timing. I don't think taking guns away is the answer, but I also don't think more guns is the solution. We need to figure out a mandatory way that allows only the owner of a gun to access it. No more everyone in the family knows the combo and where the gun is. No more your my friend, I keep my gun under my bed or in the closet. People need to secure their weapons. I'm talking safe and deadbolted to the floor. Only the owner should know the More..
Posted Dec-24-2012 ByNickScantic (118.70) NickScantic View Channel Send Message
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@Vorna Oh and one last thing. I know, access incase of emergency is important. That's why I propose someone using all of that technology to have a hand print easy scan or some shit the govt already has.... make the technology cheap (cost wise not production) and let's do this. You can keep your guns but someone is going to need to cut ur arm off to get it from u lol
Posted Dec-24-2012 ByNickScantic (118.70) NickScantic View Channel Send Message
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@NickScantic
Label someone crazy and you do not need to provide proof on the motive.
Done.
Crazy people do not just randomly get up one day and decide to kill 20 children just for the hell of it. You need to research more into the mentally disabled. They as well normally have a reason why they want to kill someone. Not just "Because".
Crazy is now considered a word , like magic. "Just because".
Posted Dec-24-2012 ByVorna (219.10) 
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@Vorna Oh I don't disagree with that. I def think we need to overhaul the healthcare system and provide better care if we are going ask such crazy prices etc. People need to be better taken care of for their money. But that being said... I think we also need to make guns more accessible for those who are deemed legal to own them. A way of storing but easy access for only the owner. And a much harder way for someone else to obtain the weapon. You can help crazy people (mental disorders), but you More..
Posted Dec-24-2012 ByNickScantic (118.70) NickScantic View Channel Send Message
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The shooter did time for killing his mother in 1981 and they let him out in 1996 or something... why the hell was he ever let out of prison?
Posted Dec-24-2012 Byvickster339 (25.82) vickster339 View Channel Send Message
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I'M getting real tired of these fucking cowards going on killing spree's! i dont give a fuck what your pussy ass has been through... or what was done to you! if you wanna off yourself thats just fine! but to do the most cowardly thing and go kill innocent people because you're too much of a pussy to handle life. well it gets no lower than that!!! congratulations you fucking cowards! you can kill unarmed innocent people! so brave of you. :/
Posted Dec-24-2012 ByMuhammad_is_a_pedo (391.80)

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The shooter killed his grandma with a hammer and they let him out for good behavior after just a few years, he should have been executed back then.
Posted Dec-24-2012 Byporsheman (244.92) 
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Ya gotta be shittin' me!
Posted Dec-25-2012 Byneshobanakni (138.28) 
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@neshobanakni I can't make this stuff up, he beat her to death in 1980, she was 92 at the time. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/24/webster-new-york-firefighter-shot/1788917/
Posted Dec-25-2012 Byporsheman (244.92) 
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@porsheman And thats why I said in the other post about this... Longer jail time. This guy KILLED someone. WTF was he doing out on the street? He should have been 6 feet under YEARS ago.
Posted Dec-25-2012 ByZuraX (101.48) 
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@porsheman 2 years for murder, that sounds like my country...
Posted Dec-25-2012 Byavanger (35.10) 
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@avanger rofl welcome to liberal america
Posted Dec-25-2012 Byxmikeyx30 (5.40) 
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This is some crazy stuff you guys got going on over there. You can only really do two things to stop it, more firearm controls or stop reporting it on the news everytime some nutter does something like this.
Unfortunately nutters with guns are now wanting their 15 minutes of fame and come up with more disturbing ways to get it.
Ar well, RIP to some great guys again by the sounds of it.
Posted Dec-24-2012 Byabmcell99 (21.60) 
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Being an upstate New Yorker myself, it hits close to home when listening to that audio.
The sick fuck that did this was a demented old man that intentionally set the fire as an ambush for the firefighters. He was a convicted felon that killed his own grandmother in 1980, so legally he wasn't allowed to own or handle the guns he used in the shooting. There's an investigation going on to determine where he stole the guns from or who supplied them to him. My state has some of the strictest gun law More..
Posted Dec-24-2012 ByOperator (42.40) 
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@Operator im upstate ny myself, and i didnt hear this update of who it was thats crazy man..
Posted Dec-24-2012 Byduffys fury (22.00) 
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The killer's name was William Spengler, aged 62. He bashed his own grandmother's brains in with a hammer, the sick fuck.
Posted Dec-24-2012 ByOperator (42.40) 
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Maybe the NRA will call for firefighters to be armed now? or have an armed security guard following them."The only way to stop a bad gunman is a good gunman"-NRA
Posted Dec-25-2012 ByBannedman (181.90) 
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R.I.P. Brave men... and i hope the bastard who have done this, his death was not quick...
Posted Dec-24-2012 Bypredator2 (42.62) 
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Medics and firemen are off limits. Wtf.
Posted Dec-25-2012 Bycaughtontape (120.80) caughtontape View Channel Send Message
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@weirdpyramid The point is they're unarmed you idiot.
Posted Dec-25-2012 Bycaughtontape (120.80) caughtontape View Channel Send Message
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@weirdpyramid "Cryptic" message? Sorry, your right....I'll dumb it down for you specifically in the future. My bad. It appears others could figure it out. The context of this is "first responders"....why you couldn't figure that out by just viewing/listening to the audio is beyond me.
Posted Dec-27-2012 Bycaughtontape (120.80) caughtontape View Channel Send Message
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you never shoot a figherfighter...WTF
Posted Dec-25-2012 ByAramu (54.62)

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who the fuck shoots firefighters? they are only there to help. why not be a man and shoot at someone who is at least armed.
Posted Dec-24-2012 ByQAHatesYou (20.80) 
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