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Joran van der Sloot Tells Fox News He Sold Natalie Holoway For 10k( PT1)

Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record' with New Natalee Holloway Story Now, before you watch this interview, we need to warn you the greatest shock of all will come at the end of the hour, and you may or may not totally change your mind about this interview.

Now Joran van der Sloot goes "On the Record."


VAN SUSTEREN: All right, Joran, here's what I need. We've licensed this chip from you and -- with some conversations. And when we took that chip and gave it to an expert, the expert was a little bit confused so I need to get the facts and circumstances around it so we can corroborate it so we can go out and investigate and do what you ultimately want and -- maybe I should ask you, what do you ultimately want out of this?

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, SUSPECT IN NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S DISAPPEARANCE: Oh, I guess for it just all to be over, for it just -- yes, that's it, just for me to be able to get on with everything and feel OK. That's what I ultimately would want out of it. And I know if you guys look into this that you're going to find out, I think, definitely with everything I gave, if you really go and look into it, you're going to stumble across something that will get you more answers. I'm sure about it. I know it.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Now, the chip -- is it -- are there three separate conversations on this chip?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, three separate conversations.

VAN SUSTEREN: When did they occur, and with whom are the conversations?

VAN DER SLOOT: They occurred about a month ago, I think, maybe longer, two months ago -- longer. And yes, about -- actually, about the person that the conversation's with, I don't actually really want to talk about. But yes, that's just -- I was just giving that to you for -- you know, to corroborate that you could actually see and have something to show to go look into this. That was my...

VAN SUSTEREN: Well, from what I understand from our first conversation -- and you know, I've got to make sure I really tie this down because in order for my network to continue to -- you know, to continue to let us investigate this story, I've got to have it really straight and nailed down. And you have told us now something that is very different from what we understood to have happened. And from the chip, is that there's a conversation with your father recorded. Actually, there are three conversations with your father recorded, right?

VAN DER SLOOT: It's three conversations.

VAN SUSTEREN: One was in January, about?

VAN DER SLOOT: They were in -- I don't know. I don't remember the month they were in.

VAN SUSTEREN: But it was this year?

VAN DER SLOOT: It was this year, yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: And how -- and he was in Aruba and you were where?

VAN DER SLOOT: I was in Holland, I think, one -- for one, and the other one I was here.

VAN SUSTEREN: Was it always -- did you use the same cell phone, did you use Skype? How did you do these -- how did you record these?

VAN DER SLOOT: On the cell phone, just on the cell phone with the record option.

VAN SUSTEREN: And was he using your hard line at home, do you think?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, I think he was calling from Skype, yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: OK. So he's on Skype and you're on a cell phone.


VAN SUSTEREN: All right. You met a guy in February of three years ago who said he was interested in something. What was he interested in?

VAN DER SLOOT: He was interested in me bringing him a blond girl.

VAN SUSTEREN: Where did you meet this guy?

VAN DER SLOOT: The casinos in Aruba.

VAN SUSTEREN: What's his name?

VAN DER SLOOT: Elher (ph) Andy (ph) Adamovich (ph). I don't even if know if it's his real name. That's the problem. I don't even know if it's his real name. I wasn't worried about that at the time. It was just more like casino going, there and having fun there, and he's one of the persons I saw there. I didn't hang out with him. I didn't do anything with him.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you only see him one time in February?

VAN DER SLOOT: Oh, no more times, like two times or three times or -- I've seen him over a period of one-and-a-half years or something.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is he an Aruban?

VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know. I don't know where he's from.

VAN SUSTEREN: What language did you speak with him?

VAN DER SLOOT: I spoke -- he spoke Dutch. He spoke Papiamento. And he gave -- he speaks English, too.

VAN SUSTEREN: About how old a man?

VAN DER SLOOT: An older man. I can't -- I can't say how old he was, 30, 40.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you sit at the same table with him?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. Yes. One time, I played poker with him. One time I played blackjack with him. But he usually played blackjack. That was the game he used to play.

VAN SUSTEREN: OK, so you met him in February of '05 at the casino. You know his first name. And he said he wanted what?

VAN DER SLOOT: He said he wanted to see a blond girl.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did you take that to mean?

VAN DER SLOOT: I didn't know -- I did not even want -- I wasn't even thinking about it, like, I did not know what he -- what he wanted at all with it.

VAN SUSTEREN: Anything offered in exchange for her?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, he offered me money.

VAN SUSTEREN: And what did you say?

VAN DER SLOOT: I said, OK, sure.

VAN SUSTEREN: And so February of '05, you have this conversation with him in a casino. And between February '05 and about May 30, '05, did you see him at all?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. Yes. Before that. He was -- like, before, he was telling me, like, he was just acting like a high roller there and spending money like (INAUDIBLE) nothing on blackjack. And then he was always talking about going out, doing (ph) stuff. I know he goes from Venezuela to Aruba. I know that. That's what he was telling me, at least. And -- yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did he ever say what he wanted a blond girl for?


VAN SUSTEREN: Did you have any sort of guess what it was? I mean, were you -- was it sort of the -- the code, you know, you speak in code, you sort of knew what he wanted?

VAN DER SLOOT: No. No. I wasn't -- wasn't really occupied with that at all. I had school going. I had other things. I had friends. I wasn't really -- like, I mean, like, I really wasn't even concerned about his name, to tell you the truth.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did he offer you any money?


VAN SUSTEREN: (INAUDIBLE) a specific number?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, he offered me money.

VAN SUSTEREN: What was the number?

VAN DER SLOOT: I don't really want to say, but he offered me money for it.

VAN SUSTEREN: Well, I mean, come on. I mean, you -- look, we've come halfway across the world. You know, you want -- this is what you told us, Joran, that you -- you know, you want...


VAN SUSTEREN: ... this investigated because everybody seems to think something happened, and you told us something very different happened. And there's a possibility that she's still alive.


VAN SUSTEREN: So I need to be able to get this information out of you so that I can, you know, get my company to continue to finance this. This is going to take us to Venezuela to find this guy. We got to look for him there. And...

VAN DER SLOOT: That's what I want.

VAN SUSTEREN: I know. That's why -- that's why you contacted me. At least, that's what you told me, is that you want that. If I get that information, we can track it down.


VAN SUSTEREN: So that's why I need to pull these facts out of it because that will corroborate the chip and will help me in the investigation.

VAN DER SLOOT: OK. Well, he only gave me $10,000.

VAN SUSTEREN: OK. No, but that's later. But during -- between February and May, did he ask you -- did he talk money with you, a specific number?


VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Natalee -- you know, what day of the week did you meet Natalee? What was -- it was the 30th, but what day? Was that a Sunday night?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. Yes, Sunday night.

VAN SUSTEREN: In the days prior to that Sunday night, did you have any conversation with this man?

VAN DER SLOOT: A week before, I think. Yes, a little before, couple days before, five days before.

VAN SUSTEREN: At a casino?


VAN SUSTEREN: Did you have his phone number?

VAN DER SLOOT: Did not have his phone number. It's only at the casino where I saw him. That's the only place I -- I ever saw him.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So what happened the day you met Natalee?

VAN DER SLOOT: Oh, the day I met Natalee, I remembered what he said. And as I was leaving the casino, to leave I went by the Radisson because (INAUDIBLE) he was there. I spoke with him, and he's, like, yes, you know. So then he -- when he asked me for, like, OK, all I want is to -- to -- you know, if you bring me a blond girl, let me know. Give me a call on this number right here. He gave me a phone number, and then he said to meet him at the beach by the -- by the Marriott if I ever got a girl and that we'd - - he would give me $10,000.

VAN SUSTEREN: This was on the day that you met Natalee?

VAN DER SLOOT: That was on the day or he day -- the day -- the day before.

VAN SUSTEREN: The day before you met Natalee?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, or two days before. Two days before.

VAN SUSTEREN: So the day you met Natalee, you met her at the Excelsior in the Holiday Inn in the afternoon. Or actually, you met her -- you met her with a group of people.


VAN SUSTEREN: And when you -- and about what time did you leave the Holiday Inn Excelsior on that afternoon?

VAN DER SLOOT: I don't remember exactly. In the afternoon sometime.

VAN SUSTEREN: When you -- when you left in the afternoon, had you made plans to meet with Natalee and her friends at Carlos 'n Charlie's?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. She had asked me to go out and meet her and her friends there.

VAN SUSTEREN: Was it your intention at that time to contact the man who wanted to buy a white woman?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, but I had it in the back of my mind, yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. so you left the Holiday Inn. And then where did you go?

VAN DER SLOOT: Then I -- first I went to the Radisson.

VAN SUSTEREN: And talked to him.

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. And I played a little poker there. And then I went to -- then I called a friend of mine, who didn't pick up his phone. And then I called other friends of mine, asked them if they wanted to go out and -- yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: And the other friends were?

VAN DER SLOOT: Were Deepak and Satish.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you -- so you -- so you went from the Radisson to home first?


VAN SUSTEREN: How did you get home?

VAN DER SLOOT: What do you mean home?

VAN SUSTEREN: You went from the Holiday Inn at the Excelsior to the Radisson. Then you went home, which is where Deepak picked you up.

VAN DER SLOOT: Then I called my dad, and he picked me up at the McDonald's.

VAN SUSTEREN: But that was from the Holiday Inn -- or from the Radisson.

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, went from Holiday Inn -- I was only there, like, 20 minutes.

VAN SUSTEREN: So about what time would that be?

VAN DER SLOOT: Was at the evening. Evening.

VAN SUSTEREN: OK. You go home, and what do you do when you get home?

VAN DER SLOOT: Went and took a shower, went on the Internet. And I wasn't even sure if I still wanted to go out or not because I actually had school the next day. And then -- then Deepak called me, like, OK, we're going to come with you. We're ready, on my way now, because I knew Carlos 'n Charlie's close at 12:00, 12:00 o'clock, too, that night. So it's, like, 11:00 o'clock when we went. And -- yes. And the rest of these story is just like -- like we told it, except for the end of it.


VAN SUSTEREN: Up next, Joran takes you minute by minute through his shocking story. Did he carry through his alleged plan to sell Natalee? You will hear the horrifying details of what Joran now says happened to Natalee that night.

Plus: Did Deepak and Satish Kalpoe know about Joran's alleged plot to sell Natalee? Were the brothers in on it? You will hear what Joran says.


VAN SUSTEREN: Joran van der Sloot says he was offered money by a stranger in return for a blond girl. Joran continues the story about the night Natalee Holloway was last seen alive.


VAN SUSTEREN: Where did you make the hard plans with this guy to pick up Natalee? At what point?

VAN DER SLOOT: Like -- like, not ever hard plans. It's just I told him that, OK, I have a girl with me. And he's, like, OK, come to the -- come to the Marriott Hotel.

VAN SUSTEREN: At what time?

VAN DER SLOOT: At 1:00 in the morning or something.

VAN SUSTEREN: I mean, it was just -- but I mean, that doesn't -- it just doesn't sound right to me because it's -- that the sort of loose plans. I mean, why is a guy going to go sit outside the Marriott at 1:00 o'clock in the morning?

VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know, either. No, but he wasn't even in there. He wasn't even there when I came there.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Well, so OK. So you go -- so Deepak and Satish pick you up. Now, they're not in on this at all, right?

VAN DER SLOOT: I don't really want to talk about them at all.

VAN SUSTEREN: Well, but you know, if you -- if you want us to do this, Joran, if you want us to investigate this, you got to tell us because, you know -- you know, you've trusted us this far...

VAN DER SLOOT: Like, I do trust you guys. But it's just can I talk about you -- with you just about it one second just -- just about them...


VAN DER SLOOT: ... But not on camera (INAUDIBLE)

VAN SUSTEREN: No, no. Just tell -- you know what? Because you know what? We've gone so far down the road, is that we might -- this is your chance to tell us -- if you're telling the truth this time -- because you and I have spoken before. If you're telling the truth this time, you know, let's get it all out there, and we will pound the pavement to track -- to chase this down. And -- but we can't have wild goose chases because the minute we hit another wild goose chase, it's over.


VAN SUSTEREN: It's over. And you'll look like -- you know what you'll look like? You'll look like a liar because we've had one conversation with you. You've got that thing that -- with Patrick. I don't know what that is. You've got Patrick. Then you've got this. I mean, you really have to make a decision that -- you know, that you trust us, that you want us to -- you want us to investigate this fully and lay it all out.

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, no, but what I -- what (INAUDIBLE) just wanted to ask you (INAUDIBLE) I don't want like -- maybe if I say something bad about them, they can sue me or whatever, or I don't know (INAUDIBLE)

VAN SUSTEREN: Look, they're not going to -- I can't say that...


VAN SUSTEREN: They're not going to sue you. I mean, they're not -- look, these guys -- I mean, if you tell the truth, it doesn't hurt. If you lie, it does. So if you lie about them, yes, you're vulnerable. If you tell the truth, no.

VAN DER SLOOT: No, I agree. Yes. OK, well, then, they -- they knew about it also, but that's why (INAUDIBLE) yes, they knew about it also.

VAN SUSTEREN: When did they know about it? At what point?

VAN DER SLOOT: That night I told them.

VAN SUSTEREN: On the way to Carlos 'n Charlie's?

VAN DER SLOOT: On the way to Carlos -- no, on the way back, when we - - when we were getting a drink at Carlos 'n Charlie's.

VAN SUSTEREN: OK, explain it to me. They pick you up at your house.



VAN DER SLOOT: I say -- I just told them -- all I told them is we're meeting a group of girls at Carlos 'n Charlie's who asked me to go out with them. And then when I was in the bar, she was all dancing on the bar, coming over to me and telling me to come dance with her. And that's the moment when I -- when I talked to them and said, like, OK, well, I can get -- someone offered me $10,000 just to bring them somebody. And what do you guys think about it, $10,000? OK. You know, that was -- that was the thought behind it.

VAN SUSTEREN: And what were -- were they -- did they get any money?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. I gave them money. Of course.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So -- so had you -- was Natalee the one that you had identified as the American girl you were going to grab, or was there another one?

VAN DER SLOOT: Oh, I wasn't even thinking about that at all when I went over there. That's not -- wasn't my intention. It was actually my intention to go with -- like, I just -- I really liked a friend of hers. I thought she was very nice. She's the one that asked me to go out. It's that when I came there and her friend said, Natalee has shotgun (ph) on you, or that's -- yes, that's exactly what she said. And then that's when I started paying attention to her. Or not even really. I wasn't even that super-interested, but that's when I was -- yes.


VAN SUSTEREN: Since our last interview with Joran van der Sloot, we have reached out to the Kalpoe brothers and their lawyers a number of times for their side of the story. We have not received an answer. The Kalpoe brothers and/or their attorneys are welcome here "On the Record" any time.

Up next, Joran tells you about a dark, secluded beach in Aruba. Joran says the last time he saw Natalee was on that beach. It's a chilling story involving a boat, a mysterious stranger and a bag full of cash. These details according to Joran are next.

Plus, the most shocking twist of all to this story is coming. Listen very carefully to what Joran says. We have information that may change the way you look at this interview. That's at the end of the hour.


VAN SUSTEREN: Joran van der Sloot continues his story explaining what he says happened to Natalee Holloway. The last night Natalee was seen alive, earlier in the day, Van der Sloot met up with Natalee and her friends at the Excelsior casino in the Holiday Inn beach hotel. Later, he met the American girls at a bar called Carlos 'n Charlie's. Van Der Sloot was at the bar with two of his friends, brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.


VAN SUSTEREN: Now, I've been in Carlos 'n Charlie's, and it's very loud. So you -- what do you have, a conversation on the side with Deepak or Satish about doing this deal, or...

VAN DER SLOOT: Deepak. Deepak.



VAN SUSTEREN: And Deepak says, essentially, "I'm in"?


VAN SUSTEREN: So you then zero in on Natalee because she's -- why, because she's drunk?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, because she was interested in me, I guess, because she was -- yes, she was coming up -- she was coming up, Come dance with me. And that's when I -- when I -- when I was remembering this guy. And he -- like, I think it was more than two days before that, even, he gave me his card with his phone number on it and -- yes. I thought he was just (INAUDIBLE) maybe looking to have a good time, go out. I don't know. I did not know 100 percent whatever his intentions were. I still don't know right now what his exact intentions were, so...

VAN SUSTEREN: OK. So explain what happened. You get Natalee and you head out to the car.

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. She says...

VAN SUSTEREN: Tell me the whole story.

VAN DER SLOOT: She asks me first, Let's go to your -- let's go to your house. I want to go to your house. I want to see your house. I'm, like, No, let's go back to your hotel. It's right next to -- it was right next to the other (ph) where we had to be anyway. Thought we could go see there, see how it is there. But she didn't want to go back to her own hotel. So then that's when I told the guys, Just drop us off by the -- by the Marriott.

VAN SUSTEREN: And you hadn't, like, you know, hard-wired the appointment with this guy to meet -- you just assumed that he would be there?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, no. I called him on the way back (INAUDIBLE)

VAN SUSTEREN: Where -- at what point did you call him? I'm confused. When did you lock in the pick-up?

VAN DER SLOOT: At like, 1:00 o'clock.

VAN SUSTEREN: You called him then?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, or a little before.

VAN SUSTEREN: And said what?

VAN DER SLOOT: And I said that, you know, I'm in the car now and -- and with the girl and I'm with two friends. And, What are you doing? And he said, yes, I'm awake. And then he's, like, OK, can you be there in an hour? And I'm going to have someone there. And I'm, like, OK. Give you your money, so (INAUDIBLE) OK.

VAN SUSTEREN: So you made a call to this guy while Natalee's in the car with you?


VAN SUSTEREN: Did Natalee say anything?


VAN SUSTEREN: What'd she do, just sit there as you made the phone call?


VAN SUSTEREN: Did you speak in code or, I mean, like...

VAN SUSTEREN: No, I just spoke Dutch to him.

VAN SUSTEREN: Oh. And so she couldn't understand Dutch. All right. And Deepak and Satish, did they understand Dutch.

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. They can understand -- they (INAUDIBLE) fluent in Dutch, but they understand Dutch.

VAN SUSTEREN: So the deal was to meet at what time? I mean, did you actually have a firm time at that point?

VAN DER SLOOT: We -- yes, no, he said an hour, be there in an hour.

VAN SUSTEREN: So what did you do for the hour?

VAN DER SLOOT: Just drove around. It wasn't like -- yes, just drove around. We went up to the lighthouse, we made (ph) a circle here, went back. We -- yes, we just drove around a little bit.

VAN SUSTEREN: And so then you drove to the Marriott, or at least a little bit north of the Marriott, or that parking lot are?

VAN DER SLOOT: The parking lot area.

VAN SUSTEREN: And tell me what happened.

VAN DER SLOOT: Then I got out, steppe out of the car. She was with me, went to the beach with her. And we just were making out. We never did anything else. And then -- at first, I didn't see anyone there, you know, anything. And I'm almost, like, OK. Whatever. You know, it's not going to happen. Then I saw a guy and he came, and he just handed me a bag, grabbed the girl by the arm and he went to the boat that he had in the water.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did Natalee say?

VAN DER SLOOT: She said nothing, nothing until she was on the boat. And then she was, like, Hey, you know, what's going on? You're not coming with me, or -- I don't know. She wasn't -- wasn't panicking or anything. And then (INAUDIBLE) on the boat and the boat went away, I still heard, like, you know, What's going on? I think she was pretty drunk. That's what the main thing was.

VAN SUSTEREN: But she didn't struggle with this guy to go to the boat?


VAN SUSTEREN: Didn't you think that was odd?

VAN DER SLOOT: No because I said we were going to go on a boat.

VAN SUSTEREN: You told her that.

VAN DER SLOOT: Uh-huh. That's my story to go to the beach, that we were going to go on a boat.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did the guy give you?

VAN DER SLOOT: They gave me a bag of money.

VAN SUSTEREN: Ten thousand dollars?

VAN DER SLOOT: Wasn't even $10,000. It was less (INAUDIBLE)

VAN SUSTEREN: How much short?

VAN DER SLOOT: Oh, a couple hundred short. Probably took it for himself. I don't know.


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