Houston trial focusing on stand-your-ground law
HOUSTON — When music at a neighbor's evening party got too loud for his liking, Raul Rodriguez showed up to complain, carrying a gun and a video camera.
As a verbal confrontation unfolded, the retired Houston-area firefighter told a police dispatcher by phone that he feared for his life and was "standing his ground," a reference that calls to mind the law at the center of the Trayvon Martin slaying in Florida in February.
The incident involving Rodriguez happened two years before Martin's death and will be decided under a different kind of self-defense doctrine. But it offers another example of how laws governing deadly force are tested in the nation's courtrooms and the many complex legal issues that swirl around each case.
Prosecutors call Rodriguez an aggressor who could have safely left his neighbor's driveway anytime. His defense attorneys insist Texas law still gave him the right to defend himself, even if it meant taking a life.
In a 22-minute video that he recorded that night, Rodriguez can be heard talking to a police dispatcher after walking over to the home of Kelly Danaher to complain about the noise. Both men lived in Huffman, an unincorporated area about 30 miles northeast of Houston.
Rodriguez told the dispatcher he feared for his life. He can also be heard telling Danaher and two other men to keep the noise down. One of the men, who had apparently seen Rodriguez's gun, cursed at Rodriguez and suggested that he was going to go inside Danaher's home and retrieve his own weapon.
"Look, I will defend myself, sir. ... It's about to get out of hand, sir. Please help me. Please help me, sir. My life is in danger now," Rodriguez can be heard saying on the recording, which was played for jurors this week. The images are mostly dark or in shadow.
"I'm standing my ground here. Now these people are going to go try and kill me."
Rodriguez, 47, eventually tells the dispatcher, "Look I'm not losing to these people anymore." A loud cackling laugh is then heard before someone appears to reach for the camera and a gun goes off. That's when the video abruptly ends.
Danaher, 36, who taught physical education at an elementary school, was killed. The two other men were wounded.
One of the wounded men, a Houston firefighter named Ricky Johnson, told jurors Friday that he and his friends were not at fault, saying Rodriguez "started the process by coming with a gun."
Prosecutor Kelli Johnson has portrayed Rodriguez, who fought fires in the Houston suburb of Baytown, as the one who was looking for a fight.
Kenneth Ellis, who lived across the street from Rodriguez, testified Friday that on the night of the shooting, he saw that Rodriguez was "agitated and angry." As he left his home, he was saying "Shut up. Shut up."
Johnson attempted to introduce evidence showing that Rodriguez had a history of threatening neighbors by brandishing his gun. But state District Judge David Mendoza did not allow the evidence.
One of Rodriguez's attorneys, William Stradley, tried to demonstrate that his client was in fear for his life when one of the men lunged at him, and he had less than a second to respond.
The defense sought to put the burden on the three other men, saying they caused the confrontation to escalate.
"Do you take any responsibility for what happened," Stradley asked Johnson.
"Of course I do," replied Johnson, who on the video can be seen being restrained by the two other men before the shooting.
Texas' version of a stand-your-ground law, known as the Castle Doctrine, was revised in 2007 to expand the right to use deadly force. The new version allows people to defend themselves not only in their homes but also in workplaces or vehicles. It also says a person using force cannot provoke the attacker or be involved in criminal activity at the time.
While Rodriguez was not in his own home or vehicle or business when the shooting happened, Houston criminal defense attorney Grant Scheiner said he believes the law still applies because the 2007 revision gave people wider latitude on when they can use deadly force. Rodriguez had a concealed handgun permit.
"We are not questioning his wisdom," Scheiner said. "We are questioning whether he followed the restriction of the law."
Scheiner believes prosecutors will have a hard time overcoming the precedent of a 2007 case involving another Houston-area resident, Joe Horn, who was not charged by a grand jury for fatally shooting two men he suspected of burglarizing a neighbor's home.
"Joe Horn didn't get indicted. It's going to be hard to convict somebody in these circumstances," he said.
But Jimmy Ardoin, another Houston criminal defense lawyer, believes Rodriguez's lawyers have the tougher challenge - convincing jurors that his actions fit any of the exceptions for deadly force under Texas law.
"I'm not sure that if the jury believes he initiated the confrontation, he will get the protection of self-defense laws," he said.
Sandra Guerra Thompson, a criminal law professor at the University of Houston Law Center, said stand-your-ground laws are encouraging more people to take matters into their own hands instead of waiting for authorities.
"I guess under the law, we've made a decision that people can go out and do this," she said. "Do we really want to encourage people to use force in this manner in these kinds of situations or do we want to encourage them to call the police?"
Scheiner acknowledged there are examples where the use of deadly force goes too far. But he doesn't think that will prompt lawmakers to revise or pull back stand-your-ground laws.
"The clear trend in American law is to expand the rights of people to protect themselves by using deadly force," he said.
PHOTO CAPTION: This undated picture made available by the Harris County Sheriff's Office shows Raul Rodriguez who was charged with murder in a triple shooting that left one man dead and two others injured during a dispute over the neighbor's loud party early Sunday, May 2, 2010. When music at a neighbor's party got too loud for his liking, Rodriguez - armed with a gun and a video camera - showed up to complain. The retired firefighter ended up in a verbal confrontation, telling a police dispatcher by phone he feared for his life and was "standing my ground." But Texas doesn't have the kind of law at the center of the Trayvon Martin slaying in Florida, and prosecutors trying Rodriguez for murder call him an aggressor who could have safely left his neighbor's driveway at any time.
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The man shot dead should have said "Okay, you brought a gun. Permit me to 'stand my ground' and go get my gun."
Under the law, that means an invisible force field now protects both parties until they each have their gun of choice. Upon meeting again with guns in hand they must, in unison, recite the Declaration of Independence. Afterward they may each quote their favorite Bible verses (maximum three each) and then compare tattoos. The one with the most patriotic tattoos gets to More..
Posted Jun-10-2012 ByBoondoggles (174.82) 
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@Boondoggles LMAO
Posted Jun-10-2012 ByTongueboy (3090.54) Tongueboy View Channel Send Message
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@Boondoggles But all of that is null and void if one says "There ain't enough room in this town for the two of us."
Posted Jun-11-2012 ByFine_Just_Fine (2019.82) 
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@leakinghole yeah good luck with THAT.. when cops in L.A. respond to noise complaints.. if they do AT ALL...... It's usually hours late and way past when the noise has stopped.. after a few MONTHS of that shit, I'd be ready to fuel-air bomb my "neighbors".
Posted Jun-11-2012 Bynexus1961 (431.54) 
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Sounds like he went over there hoping to shoot someone. Hope he gets the book thrown at him.
Posted Jun-10-2012 ByEventHorizon2012 (1858.08) 
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I agree with the comments below that this guy can't go to another property and freely kill them. What kind shit is that? Just because someone's party makes you up the volume on a George Lopez re-run doesn't constitute whacking them.
He looks like a fucking prick too.
Posted Jun-10-2012 ByScarrfo (182.50) 
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So he went to the other guys property shot 3 people killing one and he's claiming he's the victim? lol....
Posted Jun-10-2012 BySirMicro (83.94) 
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@fido321 is it really? Ive been reading the BBC and yall have some whoppers too. And those killings dont even have the ease of a firearm involved!
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We do stand our ground in Texas.
Posted Jun-10-2012 ByTexas TEA (391.80)

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As much as I am for killing people who need killing...This guy is a fucking idiot. He went over to someone elses house, with a gun.....sorry jackass, you cant go looking for a gunfight and then claim self defense...YOU ARE GUILTY and deserve to die...not because you killed someone, but because you are raping the rest of good and decent law abiding citizen's rights to defend themselves when they are ACTUALLY THE VICTIM. Even Florida's law wouldnt protect you in this matter....You went looking f More..
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@splicer
As you can see this law encourages gun loving morons to bring a weapon to situations where it is not needed.
If the guy refused to turn the music down he should have called the police,problem solved. Unfortunately a lot of gun owners don't use common sense and innocent people end up hurt or dead.
Posted Jun-10-2012 Bywerdum12 (254.00) 
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@werdum12 What Law?
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You can't go to your neighbors property with a gun
and proclaim "stand your ground" and start blazing away. Get real.
Posted Jun-10-2012 Bykamotz (202.16) kamotz View Channel Send Message
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I doubt this dude will get away with it. It doesn't sound like self defense so far.
Posted Jun-10-2012 ByRuffus (4325.04) 
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now that's scary, I could never imagine my neighbour coming over to complain about my BS with gun in hand. If I were the party throwers, I would have called the police immediately, I mean fuck! It's like this Rodriguez has no idea of the value of a human life. He killed someones son, brother, nephew, husband over essentially a noise complaint! This isn't the middle east, we have police for a reason!
Posted Jun-10-2012 ByLLOYD_XMAS (20.50) 
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@LLOYD_XMAS actually...the victims in this case could have walked out of their house and shot him dead, or even shot him from inside the house, and walked away scott free.
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Im an avid supporter of the second ammendment and the castle doctrine,but in this case the dude is guilty as hell of murder plain and simple. If I were on the jury I'd send him to the chair with no regrets.
Posted Jun-10-2012 Bygonehuntin (2458.96) 
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@gonehuntin Finally someone with a fucking CLUE!!!! Have you seen the idiot comments on here? It is really scary to think these people vote. And you're correct, the Castle Doctrine doesnt apply here because he wasnt in HIS castle...but most idiots on here are saying "stand your ground" which doesnt exist in Texas.
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@splicer
It's ironic as well that the guy had a 22 minute video of his own actions as that occured. Why would one take the video of himself confronting the neighbor along with his gun unless he was trying to build his defense for what he planned on doing? Seems almost premedatated to me. I would like to see the video,not that it would change my mind on what he actuallly went there to do. Loud music really? Call the police and let them handle it ffs.
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@gonehuntin
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0ae_1339362308
Posted Jun-11-2012 ByFine_Just_Fine (2019.82) 
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@HeyMaker84 probably because blacks werent involved and therefore no over the top crying about race can be used to inflame the situation and sell more papers.
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where is the video.
Posted Jun-10-2012 Byhaha420 (47.00) 
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@haha420 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0ae_1339362308
Posted Jun-11-2012 ByFine_Just_Fine (2019.82) 
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Another gun toting moron.
Posted Jun-10-2012 Byecho4250 (774.84) echo4250 View Channel Send Message
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@echo4250 verses what? All the car driving morons? Child bearing morons? Voting morons? Whats your point?
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