There's a lot of room for improvement in Israeli society, but Gideon Levy's article does an injustice to the State of Israel, the Jewish people and the truth- The article, claiming Israelis support apartheid over the Arabs, and the numbers in the Dialog survey are two different things. As someone who has been involved in public opinion research for many years and has lectured about it at a university, I'm offering here a different analysis of the same findings - a more balanced, correct and precise analysis that also sees the glass as half full
By Yheuda Ben Meir, Haaretz
Last week Haaretz wrote about a survey of a representative sample of Israeli Jews. In Hebrew, the article was entitled "Most Israelis support an apartheid regime in Israel," and below it appeared the subhead: "A new survey reveals racist viewpoints of Israeli Jews."
I compared the article's conclusions with the survey's findings (which the Hebrew edition published in full on Page 3 - to Haaretz's credit ) and I recalled a story about the Jew who wanted to see an eye and ear doctor. When told that there was no such doctor, the Jew said his problem was that "what I hear isn't what I see and what I see isn't what I hear."
The same is true of the article and the survey: The article and the numbers in the Dialog survey, commissioned by the Israela Goldblum Fund, are two different things. As someone who has been involved in public opinion research for many years and has lectured about it at a university, I'm offering here a different analysis of the same findings - a more balanced, correct and precise analysis that also sees the glass as half full.
Let's begin with the headline; its dramatic effect is in direct proportion to its misleading information. There is no basis in the data for maintaining that most Israelis support an "apartheid regime" in Israel. In fact, in the article, the small print, the sensational conclusion is restricted by the words: "If it [Israel] annexes the territories." But even after the correction, the conclusion is mistaken and misleading. That's because it's based on the fact that 69 percent said they opposed granting the right to vote to the Palestinians if the West Bank were annexed.
But this finding must be examined in light of the fact that according to the survey, most Israeli Jews oppose annexing the territories. In response to the question "Would you want Israel to annex the territories with settlements in them?" (and note, it does not refer to the territories but only to those "with settlements in them" ), 48 percent said they opposed annexation, while 33 percent supported it.
But here's the thing: Most Israeli Jews really do object, and rightly so, to letting the 2.5 million Arabs in the territories vote in Knesset elections, because that means the end of Israel as a Jewish state and the end of the Zionist dream. But the same majority is also unwilling to live in a country with an "apartheid regime," so it opposes the annexation of territories. That's the survey's most important finding, and its conclusion is exactly the opposite of what's written in the article's headline.
The pull quote that says 58 percent believe that an "apartheid regime" already reigns in Israel is mistaken and misleading. According to the findings, when asked "Is there apartheid in Israel?" 31 percent said there was no apartheid at all, only 19 percent said there was apartheid in many fields, and 39 percent said it existed "in a few fields." The very use of the word "apartheid," which was not even defined, is somewhat misleading and clearly shows the objective of the people who commissioned the survey.
The most reasonable meaning of the response "in a few fields" is that in Israel there is discrimination against Arabs on certain issues. Unfortunately, that's the situation and it needs improvement, but it's a far cry from concluding that most Israeli Jews believe that an "apartheid regime" reigns in Israel.
In his opinion piece on the article, Gideon Levy claims that most Israeli Jews do not want the Arabs to vote in Knesset elections. But the data show just the opposite: Two-thirds said Israeli Arabs should not be prevented from voting for the Knesset.
There's a lot of room for improvement in Israeli society, but this article does an injustice to the State of Israel, the Jewish people and the truth.
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/most-of-us-don-t-want-apartheid.premium-1.472660
By: aydeo
In: Regional News, Politics, Other Middle East
Tags: Israel, Against, Apartheid, Gideon Levy, Honest Analysis
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An abuse of the word apartheid.
Not even remotely true.
Posted Oct-28-2012 ByFreejay (4151.56) 
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Apparently Hendrik Verwoerd believes Israel is an apartheid state, but what would he know right? hes only the guy who conceived the idea of apartheid in SOuth Africa and legistlated it and implemented it.
Naaaaaaaaww, your right, this is guy has no legitimacy at all when it comes to the apartheid subject....
sarc
Posted Oct-29-2012 ByCatalytic (510.70) Catalytic View Channel Send Message
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He hated Jews
He even protested publicly agaisnt Jews immigrating to Sth Africa to escape the Nazis!
Its well known
http://books.google.co.il/books?id=MylmEIlmQsgC&pg=PA145&lpg=PA145&dq=Hendrik+Verwoerd++anti+semite&source=bl&ots=aT4wMSgqRV&sig=5DTSSxFRzhxHjI0nNVQy7C-vWrA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=sWqOUPW1FsWj0QXbu4Fo&ved=0CBoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Hendrik%20Verwoerd%20%20anti%20semite&f=false
Posted Oct-29-2012 ByFreejay (4151.56) 
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"By the mid 1970s, Israel's relations with South Africa had warmed. In 1975, the Israel–South Africa Agreement was signed, and increasing economic co-operation between Israel and South Africa was reported, including the construction of a major new railway in Israel, and the building of a desalination plant in South Africa"
and this little gem "In 1976, Prime Minister John Vorster of South Africa, who the British had jailed during World War II for his pro-Nazi activiti More..
Posted Oct-29-2012 ByCatalytic (510.70) Catalytic View Channel Send Message
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Who gives a shit
Just diplomatic relations.
Rabin was a leftist fool anyhow.
The fact is that this Nazi asshole actually did hate Jews and gave a biased opinion.
Posted Oct-29-2012 ByFreejay (4151.56) 
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Well don't bring out the Nazi card if you don't expect to put your foot in your mouth.
"<Insert person here> is a leftist"
ad hominem
Posted Oct-29-2012 ByCatalytic (510.70) Catalytic View Channel Send Message
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Well, ya have to follow the paper trail on this one
Survey commissioned by the 'Israela Goldblum Fund' New Israel Fund/Peace Now and Sheikh Jarrah Solidarity Movement,Breaking The Silence and so on All are connected
503 'selected people' hardly defines what Israelis think
Posted Oct-28-2012 Bywargypzy (523.00) wargypzy View Channel Send Message
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Thats correct.
You can read my upper reply to ED (About the 'apartheid')
Posted Oct-28-2012 Byaydeo (6182.18) 
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And as one of the replies to this in Haaretz was saying: "But it is too late. G Levy article as been translated and is cited- You may find It in spanish in El Periódico and in El PAIS as well . And yellow pro palestinan papers have adopted It as a jewel"..... So has ED...lol
Posted Oct-28-2012 Byaydeo (6182.18) 
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It is also quite amuzing to notice ED putting such local stuff under 'World news',and other sections, just in order to get as much views to his anti-israel items.
That is why I was also putting it under several sections, even that usually I put such kind of items only under the ME section.
Posted Oct-28-2012 Byaydeo (6182.18) 
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ED this, ED that...you know I could easily respond by pointing out the obvious biases in your posts and comments here...but I never do
Fact is, Freejay and others have far more to offer from the Israeli side than you, despite their more stringent views.
At least they engage in the topics and swap ideas...all you have to offer is personal attacks as usual...lame and boring
Posted Oct-28-2012 ByElegantDecline (2146.38) 
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Bullshit, and you know it- I engage in topics just as any body else, minus the hate fest.
You also disconnect yourself from the hate fest, but you have a very clear agenda of anti-Israel and anti-Israelis items., and a pro-Palestinian/Arab items.
Since you publish here items my 'attacks' are not personal, they are directed twords your agenda, not towrds you in person.
If I was making an item about you, you might have said it. I wrote about you only as a comment.
FJ usually More..
Posted Oct-28-2012 Byaydeo (6182.18) 
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Compared to many uploaders here,INCLUDING YOU,my items/comments are the least biased since they contains also other perspectives such as objection to the occupation,settlments,Lieberman or striking Iran,and supporting the left or Obama.
You,in the other hand, use a strict and pure one sided agenda,just like FJ,DB,mrskin,Pony,Kuko,redpill and others.
The fact I tend to bring here much more pro-israel items is because I live in Israel and see the fanatic demonization in such a More..
Posted Oct-28-2012 Byaydeo (6182.18) 
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Levy's article is admittedly a bit of a shock piece...probably to encourage debate and raise the coming issues, which will hit hard before long
However this is a poor refutation...Of course most Israeli's don't WANT Apartheid, nor did most SA whites when often asked. The writer hinges apartheid on whether Israel 'annexes' the West Bank or not. What these people don't get is that annexation is now a moot point and irrelevant. Israel controls the West Bank in almost every way and is constantly ta More..
Posted Oct-28-2012 ByElegantDecline (2146.38) 
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'Controlling' another nation is NOT Aparthied, otherwise Turkey,China,Russia and even Spain are Aparthied.
Aparthied is the total seperation between two,or more, group of people, in all fields of lifes.
Even in the West Bank settlers and Palestinians are shopping today from the same stores and malls (This is simply not being reported by the media but a well knwon local phenomena), and Jews and Arabs are working togheter,eating togheter and buying from each other all over Israe More..
Posted Oct-28-2012 Byaydeo (6182.18) 
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Were not talking about controlling another nation, were talking about treating a people as second class because of race, religion, and nationality.
Apparently http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrik_Verwoerd believes Israel is an apartheid state, you know the 'pioneer' of apartheid in South Africa. Apartheid was his 'invention', his contribution to society and history, and Israel thought it was such a good idea, they copied it
sarc
Posted Oct-29-2012 ByCatalytic (510.70) Catalytic View Channel Send Message
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@aydeo Again, I think this is splitting hairs...I would have thought that you would have the integrity to admit that jews and arabs used to mix far more on the West Bank and Israel...the last ten years have changed things hugely.
The 'separation' fence being a critical part of this process
Posted Oct-29-2012 ByElegantDecline (2146.38) 
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You see- You totaly 'skipped' here all the other shit that was going on here the last 10 years. You do it all the time.
As if everything was quite and calm, like in Swiss,and suddenly there was a fence, and suddenly Palestinians stopped entering Israel and Israelis stopped visiting Palestinian cities.
In last summer btw many Palestinian families from the WB got permissions to visit Israel beaches (as was till 2000-01) - Another positive development which didn't reach the medi More..
Posted Oct-29-2012 Byaydeo (6182.18) 
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@aydeo I didn't skip anything...this isn't an essay...just focus on the fact that Arab's and Jews mix far less than they used to, its just a f.cking fact, deal with it
Maybe it was because of terrorism...maybe the security establishment used that security threat to create more facts on the ground, take more of the land and generally make the Palestinians more controllable...
Fact is, it happened, and years after the Intifada, despite years of calm and cooperation, West Bank Palestinians have e More..
Posted Oct-29-2012 ByElegantDecline (2146.38) 
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"But here's the thing: Most Israeli Jews really do object, and rightly so, to letting the 2.5 million Arabs in the territories vote in Knesset elections, because that means the end of Israel as a Jewish state and the end of the Zionist dream."
That sounds very democratic and not apartheid like at all, lol
Posted Oct-28-2012 BySnerple (434.02) Snerple View Channel Send Message
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@Snerple Lol, they're happy to have apartheid as long as the legal definition isn't apartheid
Posted Oct-28-2012 ByElegantDecline (2146.38) 
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What is Apartheid in your opinion?
Define it.
Posted Oct-29-2012 BySea3 (22.78) 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrik_Verwoerd
Posted Oct-29-2012 ByCatalytic (510.70) Catalytic View Channel Send Message
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"Ignore what we said last week because we realize it made us look bad and we need everyone to believe we are super awesome. So now we add to the long list of subterfuge we employ against the goy and deny deny deny."
Posted Oct-28-2012 ByKutKorners (547.20)

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The papaer itself also apologized for the headline and description they used.
Its not what "we said last week" - Only Gideon Levy said it- he is quite radical and has a very strict point of view, just like you or Freejay.
That is why all of you are just the same, and you don't have any difference than the radical right in Israel.
Posted Oct-28-2012 Byaydeo (6182.18) 
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it was written by an anti-zionist... there are enough apologists that can publish propaganda in haaretz.
Posted Oct-28-2012 Bylittle15 (325.60) 
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@little15 Like it or not, you operate Apartheid...
Posted Oct-28-2012 ByElegantDecline (2146.38) 
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Me radical??
Hahahahahahaha
I am a centrist Aydeo.
I just dont ignore the truth and facts.
I dont ignore the threats like you lefty radicals.
Posted Oct-28-2012 ByFreejay (4151.56) 
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Was the lines in your reply were created like this on purpose...?
lol
Posted Oct-28-2012 Byaydeo (6182.18) 
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look at what happened to south africa after the 'terrible' apartheid...
sooner or later you will need to wake up and come to terms with what you're facing.
they will never be your friends and will only bring failure and misery.
Posted Oct-28-2012 Bythinkslaughter (1490.00) 
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yes massa, me is a good slave in the corn fields
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