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Fmr. Bush aide: This is GOP’s Waterloo, points finger at ‘radicals’ like DeMint

GOP trapped by Phony Outrages

Posted Mar 21, 2010, 1:04 PM PT

Former Bush speechwriter David Frum says that while he opposes the health care reform plan, its passage represents major defeat for the Republican Party. In his words, it’s the GOP’s "Waterloo."

Those of us who said there was a deal to be done, that there are a lot of parts of this bill that look familiar, that look like Mitt Romney’s plan, that look like plans Republicans proposed in 1993 and 1994, they look like things that were drafted at the Heritage foundation in 1990 and 1991, we can work with this, there are things we don’t like, [but] President Obama will pay a lot maybe for 20 or 30 Republican votes, let’s deal — that was shut down, we went the radical way, looking for Waterloo, and it looks like we arrived at Waterloo.

…Some of the Republican leadership like Jim DeMint, I think did play a very hard-line role. Some of our leaders were trapped. They were trapped by voices in the media that revved the Republican base into a frenzy that made dealing impossible. I mean, you can’t negotiate with Adolf Hitler, and if the President is Adolf Hitler, then obviously you can’t negotiate with him. So some of the blame has has got to go to those who said, who got the psychology of the party to a point where a lot of good people, reasonable people were trapped.

…We are encouraging a mood of radicalism in the party that is not just uncivil, that’s not the problem, the problem is it makes you stupid. It makes you make bad decisions, it leads you to think that President Obama with 53% of the vote is as beatable in 2009 as President Clinton with 42% of the vote in 1993, and that’s obviously not true.

Frum points the finger squarely at "radical" Republicans like Jim DeMint who made the decision to not negotiate with President Obama, instead betting all their chips on a failed strategy of obstruction.

Frum says that within the bill there are many provisions that conservatives should be able to support, and that it was a huge mistake for them to say "no" instead of seeking common ground. As a result, Frum says, Democrats will be able to claim full credit for passing a bill with many popular provisions, leaving the GOP out in the cold.

Frum’s argument relies on a difficult juggling act, simultaneously saying he doesn’t like the bill and blaming blaming conservatives for having negotiated with Obama on it, but his basic argument was that Republicans never had a chance of defeating reform, and should have tried to get as much as they could given that it would pass. By standing on the sidelines, he says, Republicans missed an opportunity to at least achieve some conservative goals, and he places the blame for that squarely on the most extreme elements of the GOP.

Whether or not you agree with everything Frum has to say, it’s a very clear example of kind of self-examination and finger pointing that will dominate the discussion inside the GOP in the wake of their defeat on health care reform.


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Added: Mar-22-2010 
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  • Can't wait to see how the Republicans are going to argue the protections this bill offers to consumers are a bad thing at election time. I've said it from day one, the insanity in the opposition of this bill is going to bite the Republicans in the ass. They think it's going to make Democrat defeat inevitable in November, but I have a feeling that's not going to be the case.

    Opposing this bill makes you look like you care about protecting the exorbitant profit margins of the health care ins More..

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  • Rush, Hannity, Beck and Bill "O" promised victory since 2006....and have delivered nothing....just bigger ratings ....and millions for themselves...how's that "enrich the media" (unbiased, fair and balanced) working out for Conservatives? Not so good?! Lost how many National cycles? Told "it'll never pass" and well hell....they were wrong %100 of the time....and YET....you bought them new houses, got them bigger planes, put their kids in private school....and you'l More..

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    • you bought nancy pelosi a fleet of jets...

      dont feel bad...there are libraries filled with the things neoRAT sheeple dont know.

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    • Bought her a fleet of jets?? Link please.

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    • Silly person....this is how Conservative pundits make you their bitches....the Speaker gets flights on Air Force aircraft...plain and simple....Newt didn't talk shit about it...yet used it all the time....and how about Dennis Hastert....didn't seem to keep him off a plane...so really....stop being a sheeple and understand what is being done to you...

      It is NOT true....they lie....and you guys just suck it right up because it's "fair and balanced" in your tiny little echo chamber.

      So. More..

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    • BINGO and asshole sauce gets owned again . He is too stupid to ever learn a fucking thing .

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    • I can tell your a very young kid due to your lack of knowlege.

      But thanks for trying. LOL

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  • You can only claim a Wateroo if the battle has ended, which it clearly hasn't. Just saying.

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  • The people have spoken but have been ignored by both parties. Vote this year, that is one thing that can't be ignored.

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    • And if all the dire predictions turn out to be false and people do actually start to benefit from this bill, the tea baggers are going to feel one hell of a backlash. Democrats might suffer in a few months but a couple years down the road their prospects will be pretty rosy. All they have to do is remind the people they are enjoying the affordable health care that the republicans and tea baggers fought so hard to defeat.

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    • i saw frum on a talk show a week ago and he said repubs made a decision to not support anything obama wants, instead of compromising, and he thinks it was a big mistake, and he is right, lmao

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    • I will vote.
      I just registered again after several years.
      I will vote democrat across the line.
      Unless they are ones who voted against the bill.
      We will see what America truly thinks.
      If democrats lose a bunch of seats, so be it.
      If they win a bunch, will you finally stop crying?
      I doubt it.
      People like you always find something to cry about.

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    • So you will vote Democrat across the line, even if you disagree with their politics? Wow! You are whats wrong with this country. But thanks for being an asshat. We have a consolation prize for you: No representation. Just more of the same.

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    • You did not read my entire comment or you are stupid.
      I am going with stupid ;o)

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  • David Frum has long been pegged as a rat who plays to the side he thinks is winning aty any given moment.

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    • Ah another republican through under the bus. Mr.Frum join Mr. McCain and Mr.Paul, they didn't meet wing nut criteria either.

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    • On that you are correct about "most" of our elected officials. Placating to whichever side is wining or going to win. Need to stop electing Lawyers to do a decent man's job! Teeter totters be damned! Stand for something and get er done. The left proved it could be done by talking louder and longer and of course the backroom shinanigans and Chicago strong Arm Politics did'nt hurt! The end justifies the means.

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    • Ultra conservatives will name call and bite the heads of those that disagree with them. That is exactly the point of this article. You should read it again.

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    • yep, the repubs have to throw him out to, the party keeps getting smaller and farther to the right, their recruiting sign should read no moderates allowed

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    • The GOP ran a moderate for president in 2008. I doubt they'll make that mistake in 2012.

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  • Former Bush aide. even Bush got rid of his sorry arse,but he is the type that the media loves to put out there. He is a weasel.

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  • Wa Wa Wa took you an very long time to respond. Whats the matter your little baby brain is to slooooow.

    Posted Mar-25-2010 By 

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  • LOL Daily Kos...I thought those neo-nazis at KOS got shut down for racist hate speech?

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  • strange post considering recent history, even stranger comments.

    its seems as though reality has come crashing down on our poor LL wingnuts.

    you know the saddest part of this whole healthcare battle...? it is at its heart a bill the republicans would have put forth, had they bothered.

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  • Ouch!

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  • "We the people" should be changed to "we the pussy's" because not one will do anything but whine and cry

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