Warren, I think you are right, immigration is a basic human right. I think for that reason we should have open boarders to whoever wants to better their life by coming to the USA. I also agree with you that most immigrants are probably putting more into the economy than they are taking out, of course that isn't true for all cases, but I think it is generally the case.
People don't like immigrants for many reasons. Throughout US history legal immigrants have endured a lot of discrimination. In the 20s Italian immigrants had tremendous difficulties, and after the Great Famine in the 1850's Irish immigrants also endured a great deal of discrimination.
Jesus said, do unto others as you would have them to unto you. If I were Mexican, I'd want to come to the USA to look for work and a better life, and I would hope I would be welcome.
Illegal immigrants commit less crimes? Please provide proof.
First of all, almost 30 percent of inmates currently incarcerated are illegal immigrants. This is coming from a group that makes up only about 3 percent of the population.
In Los Angeles alone, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.
Illegal aliens displaced American workers at a cost in excess of $133 billion dollars last year according to Harvard Professor George Borjas. College and high school kids cannot find a summer job in yard care, landscape, fast food or service jobs. Why? Illegal aliens work them at a third the wage and often, under the table.
How about illegal alien anchor babies? Over 300,000 women annually arrive pregnant and drop them on U.S. soil. You pay food, housing, medical and schooling for them to age 18 PLUS their mother. According to the Center for Immigration Studies, average annual cost per child K-12 is $7,161.00 and exceeds $109 billion annually per cycle of anchor babies. That%u2019s your money given out to 300,000 moms and their kids annually and all they did was get pregnant and birth that child on U.S. soil.
When an alien criminal gets caught for rape, murder or drug distribution, you pay $1.6 billion annually in prison costs to house, feed and clothe those filling 30 percent of our federal and state prisons
yes, certainly those hard working law abiding illegals have contributed so much to our society and to our wallets.
Quoted comment by lovaty: Immigrants simply want a better life for themselves and their children, same as everyone else. If that's a crime then we are all guilty.
Then why don't you take them home with you and get them out of our country? Then you can flip the bill for them and their 17 children who end up dealing drugs down the block from you. Better yet, you can lose your job to a bunch of "off the radar" ****s who undercut your pay by 50 percent and don't get health benefits.
It may be a better life for them, but it's shit for us. Again, you start flipping the bill for them and then you can talk about how guilty we all are.
Come over legally and we'll welcome you with open arms. Come across illegally and spit out 20 kids, work for cheap untaxed cash wages, join a gang, import drugs, kill, rape and steal....sorry, but I've got a problem with that.
Quoted comment by Blackhawk067: Illegal immigrants commit less crimes? Please provide proof.
First of all, almost 30 percent of inmates currently incarcerated are illegal immigrants. This is coming from a group that makes up only about 3 percent of the population.
In Los Angeles alone, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.
Illegal aliens displaced American workers at a cost in excess of $133 billion dollars last year according to Harvard Professor George Borjas. College and high school kids cannot find a summer job in yard care, landscape, fast food or service jobs. Why? Illegal aliens work them at a third the wage and often, under the table.
How about illegal alien anchor babies? Over 300,000 women annually arrive pregnant and drop them on U.S. soil. You pay food, housing, medical and schooling for them to age 18 PLUS their mother. According to the Center for Immigration Studies, average annual cost per child K-12 is $7,161.00 and exceeds $109 billion annually per cycle of anchor babies. That%u2019s your money given out to 300,000 moms and their kids annually and all they did was get pregnant and birth that child on U.S. soil.
When an alien criminal gets caught for rape, murder or drug distribution, you pay $1.6 billion annually in prison costs to house, feed and clothe those filling 30 percent of our federal and state prisons
yes, certainly those hard working law abiding illegals have contributed so much to our society and to our wallets.
Sorry, but you're dead wrong on this one.
lol get those figures from lou dobbs? Whites dont commit crimes do they. lol
It may well be a hguman right to immigarte but it is also a human right to protect what is you own and society in general.
It all comes down to 'controlled immigration' and bothe the USA and the UK lost control a long time ago.
Open the doors and let them in, they'd do anything for short term economic gain but they failed to realise the long term social issues it brigs with it.
Quoted comment by Spudmonkey: It may well be a hguman right to immigarte but it is also a human right to protect what is you own and society in general.
It all comes down to 'controlled immigration' and bothe the USA and the UK lost control a long time ago.
Open the doors and let them in, they'd do anything for short term economic gain but they failed to realise the long term social issues it brigs with it.
GRRRR typos.
"The government will do anything for short term economic gain"
Quoted comment by Blackhawk067: Illegal immigrants commit less crimes? Please provide proof.
First of all, almost 30 percent of inmates currently incarcerated are illegal immigrants. This is coming from a group that makes up only about 3 percent of the population.
In Los Angeles alone, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.
Illegal aliens displaced American workers at a cost in excess of $133 billion dollars last year according to Harvard Professor George Borjas. College and high school kids cannot find a summer job in yard care, landscape, fast food or service jobs. Why? Illegal aliens work them at a third the wage and often, under the table.
How about illegal alien anchor babies? Over 300,000 women annually arrive pregnant and drop them on U.S. soil. You pay food, housing, medical and schooling for them to age 18 PLUS their mother. According to the Center for Immigration Studies, average annual cost per child K-12 is $7,161.00 and exceeds $109 billion annually per cycle of anchor babies. That%u2019s your money given out to 300,000 moms and their kids annually and all they did was get pregnant and birth that child on U.S. soil.
When an alien criminal gets caught for rape, murder or drug distribution, you pay $1.6 billion annually in prison costs to house, feed and clothe those filling 30 percent of our federal and state prisons
yes, certainly those hard working law abiding illegals have contributed so much to our society and to our wallets.
Sorry, but you're dead wrong on this one.
lol get those figures from lou dobbs? Whites dont commit crimes do they. lol
Point out one place in the comment where I said that.
Flipping the bill for those in our society who commit crimes is part of any society. Paying for those who shouldn't be here makes sense in what world?
Here in Indiana, our jails and prisons are more than 30% Illegal Mexican criminals. Murderers, rapists, car theives,robbers, check forgers, drug smugglers,
gang banger gun runners, etc.
Once again Warren, you are regurgitating BS unchecked as though it is factual. Your wrong Warren.
Wishard Hospital ER is overwhelmed with illegals. Illegals that don't pay their bills. The tax payers do. Illegals have overwhelmed our blood transfusion clinics for diabetics. Our own citizens are getting cut off from life saving treatment from this illegal menace.
I have seen this first hand as a medical rental vendor.
Lets talk about the NEW strain of Hepatitus that has walked up here unchecked. How about this lovely new strain of TB, typhoid, polio one again, tape worm, lice, VD etc.
Quoted comment by lovaty: Immigrants simply want a better life for themselves and their children, same as everyone else. If that's a crime then we are all guilty.
Then why don't you take them home with you and get them out of our country? Then you can flip the bill for them and their 17 children who end up dealing drugs down the block from you. Better yet, you can lose your job to a bunch of "off the radar" ****s who undercut your pay by 50 percent and don't get health benefits.
It may be a better life for them, but it's shit for us. Again, you start flipping the bill for them and then you can talk about how guilty we all are.
Come over legally and we'll welcome you with open arms. Come across illegally and spit out 20 kids, work for cheap untaxed cash wages, join a gang, import drugs, kill, rape and steal....sorry, but I've got a problem with that.
Remove all barriers to legal immigration then everyone will be happy.
I see you delete valid comments and leave the vague one. Warren you can't answer my question? Why should Illegal aliens be ahead of legal immigrants who wait in line? Why did you delete that?
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Why the **** are you commenting on American issues anyway?
Posted Jan-31-2008 by "tarwreck" (R)
Warren, I think you are right, immigration is a basic human right. I think for that reason we should have open boarders to whoever wants to better their life by coming to the USA. I also agree with you that most immigrants are probably putting more into the economy than they are taking out, of course that isn't true for all cases, but I think it is generally the case.
People don't like immigrants for many reasons. Throughout US history legal immigrants have endured a lot of discrimination. In the 20s Italian immigrants had tremendous difficulties, and after the Great Famine in the 1850's Irish immigrants also endured a great deal of discrimination.
Jesus said, do unto others as you would have them to unto you. If I were Mexican, I'd want to come to the USA to look for work and a better life, and I would hope I would be welcome.
Posted Jan-31-2008 by "AnotherLiberalPatriot" (R)
Sorry that your visa was denied warren...we only want the cream of the crop. And even mexicans are more useful than you.
:)
Posted Jan-31-2008 by "Dawsopolis" (B)
Illegal immigrants commit less crimes? Please provide proof.
First of all, almost 30 percent of inmates currently incarcerated are illegal immigrants. This is coming from a group that makes up only about 3 percent of the population.
In Los Angeles alone, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.
Illegal aliens displaced American workers at a cost in excess of $133 billion dollars last year according to Harvard Professor George Borjas. College and high school kids cannot find a summer job in yard care, landscape, fast food or service jobs. Why? Illegal aliens work them at a third the wage and often, under the table.
How about illegal alien anchor babies? Over 300,000 women annually arrive pregnant and drop them on U.S. soil. You pay food, housing, medical and schooling for them to age 18 PLUS their mother. According to the Center for Immigration Studies, average annual cost per child K-12 is $7,161.00 and exceeds $109 billion annually per cycle of anchor babies. That%u2019s your money given out to 300,000 moms and their kids annually and all they did was get pregnant and birth that child on U.S. soil.
When an alien criminal gets caught for rape, murder or drug distribution, you pay $1.6 billion annually in prison costs to house, feed and clothe those filling 30 percent of our federal and state prisons
yes, certainly those hard working law abiding illegals have contributed so much to our society and to our wallets.
Sorry, but you're dead wrong on this one.
Posted Jan-31-2008 by "Blackhawk067" (R)
BIG differance between an immigrant and a ILLEGAL immigrant,America has laws,dont need to like em,but expect to get called on em,if your caught.
Posted Jan-31-2008 by "radgy" (R)
Why would you ask such a stupid question?
Posted Jan-31-2008 by "warren25" (R)
Then why don't you take them home with you and get them out of our country? Then you can flip the bill for them and their 17 children who end up dealing drugs down the block from you. Better yet, you can lose your job to a bunch of "off the radar" ****s who undercut your pay by 50 percent and don't get health benefits.
It may be a better life for them, but it's shit for us. Again, you start flipping the bill for them and then you can talk about how guilty we all are.
Come over legally and we'll welcome you with open arms. Come across illegally and spit out 20 kids, work for cheap untaxed cash wages, join a gang, import drugs, kill, rape and steal....sorry, but I've got a problem with that.
Posted Jan-31-2008 by "Blackhawk067" (R)
First of all, almost 30 percent of inmates currently incarcerated are illegal immigrants. This is coming from a group that makes up only about 3 percent of the population.
In Los Angeles alone, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.
Illegal aliens displaced American workers at a cost in excess of $133 billion dollars last year according to Harvard Professor George Borjas. College and high school kids cannot find a summer job in yard care, landscape, fast food or service jobs. Why? Illegal aliens work them at a third the wage and often, under the table.
How about illegal alien anchor babies? Over 300,000 women annually arrive pregnant and drop them on U.S. soil. You pay food, housing, medical and schooling for them to age 18 PLUS their mother. According to the Center for Immigration Studies, average annual cost per child K-12 is $7,161.00 and exceeds $109 billion annually per cycle of anchor babies. That%u2019s your money given out to 300,000 moms and their kids annually and all they did was get pregnant and birth that child on U.S. soil.
When an alien criminal gets caught for rape, murder or drug distribution, you pay $1.6 billion annually in prison costs to house, feed and clothe those filling 30 percent of our federal and state prisons
yes, certainly those hard working law abiding illegals have contributed so much to our society and to our wallets.
Sorry, but you're dead wrong on this one.
lol get those figures from lou dobbs? Whites dont commit crimes do they. lol
Posted Jan-31-2008 by "warren25" (R)
It may well be a hguman right to immigarte but it is also a human right to protect what is you own and society in general.
It all comes down to 'controlled immigration' and bothe the USA and the UK lost control a long time ago.
Open the doors and let them in, they'd do anything for short term economic gain but they failed to realise the long term social issues it brigs with it.
Posted Jan-31-2008 by "Spudmonkey" Premium
It all comes down to 'controlled immigration' and bothe the USA and the UK lost control a long time ago.
Open the doors and let them in, they'd do anything for short term economic gain but they failed to realise the long term social issues it brigs with it.
GRRRR typos.
"The government will do anything for short term economic gain"
Posted Jan-31-2008 by "Spudmonkey" Premium
First of all, almost 30 percent of inmates currently incarcerated are illegal immigrants. This is coming from a group that makes up only about 3 percent of the population.
In Los Angeles alone, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.
Illegal aliens displaced American workers at a cost in excess of $133 billion dollars last year according to Harvard Professor George Borjas. College and high school kids cannot find a summer job in yard care, landscape, fast food or service jobs. Why? Illegal aliens work them at a third the wage and often, under the table.
How about illegal alien anchor babies? Over 300,000 women annually arrive pregnant and drop them on U.S. soil. You pay food, housing, medical and schooling for them to age 18 PLUS their mother. According to the Center for Immigration Studies, average annual cost per child K-12 is $7,161.00 and exceeds $109 billion annually per cycle of anchor babies. That%u2019s your money given out to 300,000 moms and their kids annually and all they did was get pregnant and birth that child on U.S. soil.
When an alien criminal gets caught for rape, murder or drug distribution, you pay $1.6 billion annually in prison costs to house, feed and clothe those filling 30 percent of our federal and state prisons
yes, certainly those hard working law abiding illegals have contributed so much to our society and to our wallets.
Sorry, but you're dead wrong on this one.
lol get those figures from lou dobbs? Whites dont commit crimes do they. lol
Point out one place in the comment where I said that.
Flipping the bill for those in our society who commit crimes is part of any society. Paying for those who shouldn't be here makes sense in what world?
Posted Jan-31-2008 by "Blackhawk067" (R)
^^oh, and yeah...I called Louie up a few minutes ago and had him give me the run down since I'm not able to do any research on my own...
Posted Jan-31-2008 by "Blackhawk067" (R)
Here in Indiana, our jails and prisons are more than 30% Illegal Mexican criminals. Murderers, rapists, car theives,robbers, check forgers, drug smugglers,
gang banger gun runners, etc.
Once again Warren, you are regurgitating BS unchecked as though it is factual. Your wrong Warren.
Wishard Hospital ER is overwhelmed with illegals. Illegals that don't pay their bills. The tax payers do. Illegals have overwhelmed our blood transfusion clinics for diabetics. Our own citizens are getting cut off from life saving treatment from this illegal menace.
I have seen this first hand as a medical rental vendor.
Lets talk about the NEW strain of Hepatitus that has walked up here unchecked. How about this lovely new strain of TB, typhoid, polio one again, tape worm, lice, VD etc.
Posted Jan-31-2008 by "floggerspam" (R)
Then why don't you take them home with you and get them out of our country? Then you can flip the bill for them and their 17 children who end up dealing drugs down the block from you. Better yet, you can lose your job to a bunch of "off the radar" ****s who undercut your pay by 50 percent and don't get health benefits.
It may be a better life for them, but it's shit for us. Again, you start flipping the bill for them and then you can talk about how guilty we all are.
Come over legally and we'll welcome you with open arms. Come across illegally and spit out 20 kids, work for cheap untaxed cash wages, join a gang, import drugs, kill, rape and steal....sorry, but I've got a problem with that.
Remove all barriers to legal immigration then everyone will be happy.
no they wont
Posted Jan-31-2008 by "radgy" (R)
I see you delete valid comments and leave the vague one. Warren you can't answer my question? Why should Illegal aliens be ahead of legal immigrants who wait in line? Why did you delete that?
Posted Jan-31-2008 by "tarwreck" (R)