German Nobel literature laureate Guenter Grass has labelled Israel a threat to "already fragile world peace" in a poem that has drawn sharp rebukes at home and from Israel.
In the poem titled What must be said, published in German daily Sueddeutsche Zeitung and Italy's La Repubblica among others, Grass criticised what he described as Western hypocrisy over Israel's own suspected nuclear program amid speculation it might engage in military action against Iran to stop it building an atomic bomb.
The 84-year-old Grass said he had been prompted to put pen to paper by Berlin's recent decision to sell Israel a submarine able to "send all-destroying warheads where the existence of a single nuclear bomb is unproven."
"The nuclear power Israel is endangering the already fragile world peace," he wrote. His poem specifically criticised Israel's "claim to the right of a first strike" against Iran.
Grass also called for "unhindered and permanent control of Israel's nuclear capability and Iran's atomic facilities through an international body."
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Or the "real" terrorists. Mossad and the Irgun created terrorism.
Posted Apr-5-2012 Bymphatik (671.58) 
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Is there an English translation of the poem?
Posted Apr-5-2012 ByTMoray1 (733.56) 
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Good question, I want it myself!
Posted Apr-5-2012 ByKrupp (106.90) Krupp View Channel Send Message
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Spoken like an ex SS nazi
Posted Apr-5-2012 Byallank (323.20) allank View Channel Send Message
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@allank
Gunther has been a leftist since WW2!
Posted Apr-5-2012 ByKrupp (106.90) Krupp View Channel Send Message
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Hitler would be considered the uber leftist as well--national socialism. I'm not arguing that the guy doesn't deserve to be heard, but let us not paint the scene as something that it isn't.
Posted Apr-5-2012 ByVoteYesonNo (99.00) 
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@FUCK_S0PA Hitler youth ?
Posted Apr-5-2012 Byallank (323.20) allank View Channel Send Message
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Very good post.
Ahhhhhhhhh the stories I've heard from ex-Whermacht during their last days as I took care of them. They all boil down to the same thing, the illegal state of Israel and the protection it gets from the US.
The world does not need anymore war. We need peace.
Posted Apr-5-2012 Bymphatik (671.58) 
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@mphatik Thats funny coming from you.
If the Palis put down their weapons you would have peace.
If Israel put down its weapons they would cease to exist.
Posted Apr-5-2012 Bysgtloverlips (220.94) 
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@sgtloverlips
If Israel ceased to exist, you would have peace. (Israel not existing is not equal to all Jews in the Levant being killed or expelled)
What you are missing is that if Israel has a right to exist in the Levant (after centuries of not existing) then why does Palestine NOT have the same right?
In other words, what makes Jewish self-determination (via the State of Israel) valid, and Palestinian self-determination invalid?
Posted Apr-5-2012 Bynkdmansam (252.38) nkdmansam View Channel Send Message
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@nkdmansam It is the difference between the civilized man and the savage. I can say for certain that here in Canada many people will gladly defend Israel, even go to Israel and do it, if needs be.
Posted Apr-6-2012 Bysgtloverlips (220.94) 
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"civilized man and the savage"... dehuminization is a tactic that has been used throughout history to justify otherwise unjustifiable atrocities. Given their experience in the 20th century, Jews, more than any other group, should be familiar with the dangers inherent in dehumanization.
Palestinians and Jews in the Levant are genetically indistinguishable, so it is not a question of species, race, genetics.
Also, the Middle East is the cradle of civilization, it is More..
Posted Apr-6-2012 Bynkdmansam (252.38) nkdmansam View Channel Send Message
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Yes sir! He is old enough to remember when his country REALLY WAS a threat to world peace
Guenter Grass you can kiss my ass!
Posted Apr-5-2012 Bywargypzy (422.90) wargypzy View Channel Send Message
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Islam is the only major threat to world peace. Allahu ackbar
Posted Apr-5-2012 Bymuhamedtheone (48.70) 
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riiight... not economic destabilization, a global depression and the collapse of governments and currencies. Because that could never happen. It is more likely that a theocratic culture still stuck in the dark ages will cause modern super-powers to go to war with each other and not a financial crisis or the competition for finite resources like oil and fresh water.
Posted Apr-5-2012 Bynkdmansam (252.38) nkdmansam View Channel Send Message
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it goes like this:
If you're a jew, you don't give a fuck
If you're a jew, the US is out of luck
The jews will start a war
The jews will sit back from afar
while the US does all their dirty work
Posted Apr-5-2012 Bymannixxx (648.54) 
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@mannixxx Didn't you forget to say Zionist? Or are you getting carried away again?
Posted Apr-5-2012 Bysgtloverlips (220.94) 
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If Israel didn't exist the muslims would still be killing people all over the world and causing wars for islam. Iran would still HATE the 'infadels' and would STILL be producing weapons of mass destruction. If muslims didn't have anymore jews to hate and kill they would just start killing christians.
Israel isn't going anywhere, islam on the other hand is being exposed as the hate cult it is.
Death to islam
anyone who thinks that little country that RECLAIMED it's land is 'a threat to wo More..
Posted Apr-5-2012 ByJihadKiller1s1k (9384.08) 
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@JihadKiller1s1k and Hindus. And Buddists, and other sects of Islam (Sunni vs Shiite vs Salafi vs whoever) Muslims are always in blood fueds with their next door neighbors, with the next village, with the next extended family, with the next tribe, with the next country. It never ends with those idiots.
Posted Apr-5-2012 Bygrunt (481.70) 
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@JihadKiller1s1k
you treat hypotheticals and assumptions as facts.
"If the moon were made of cheese... then peace on earth."
is an equally valid alternative to your point.
I also cannot escape the irony of you calling Islam a death cult, then calling for its death (the exact same way Muslim radicals call for the death of the West). With that mentality, you would probably be a radical muslim had you been born in that part of the world.
Anyone calling for the death of something More..
Posted Apr-5-2012 Bynkdmansam (252.38) nkdmansam View Channel Send Message
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@nkdmansam
"(the exact same way Muslim radicals call for the death of the West). With that mentality"
That's why I do it TOOL
it's called sarcasm
You just sound butthurt because you know I'm right.
The problem with the M.E. is NOT Israel, it's islam
Posted Apr-5-2012 ByJihadKiller1s1k (9384.08) 
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just making observations, def not butthurt in the least.
I think Islam is a problem in the Middle East keeping it in the stone age (which is good for the west because we are more advanced and can exploit their resources). Muslisms were not intent on destroying Israel and the west before we started interfering in the region (e.g. overthrowing a democracy and reinstating the Shah of Iran to give away his nations resources to western corporations, supporting Iraq with funds and More..
Posted Apr-5-2012 Bynkdmansam (252.38) nkdmansam View Channel Send Message
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84 years old. was he a Hitler Youth, or just the son of a SS? does he still have his picture of Hitler on the Dining Room wall? What was his rank in the SS? I bet he can belt out a great "Deutchland Uber Alles", and does, every chance he gets.
Yup. He was in the 10th Waffen SS Panzer Division. A real National Socialist hero carrying on the tradition. A proud fucking Nazi still.
Posted Apr-5-2012 Bygrunt (481.70) 
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Well clearly this ex member of the Waffen SS is not biased.
Do us all a favor and fall down some stairs you piece of shit.
Posted Apr-5-2012 Bysgtloverlips (220.94) 
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@FUCK_S0PA Okay, but I still want him to fall down some stairs. ;)
Posted Apr-6-2012 Bysgtloverlips (220.94) 
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@FUCK_S0PA Sorry I cannot hear you with that tape over your mouth...
Posted Apr-6-2012 Bysgtloverlips (220.94) 
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you know we've come completely full circle when a waffen SS soldier slams Israel and his views are given weight
Posted Apr-5-2012 Bygolem (1761.32) golem View Channel Send Message
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@golem
He was drafted into Waffen SS, but is a leftist politically. You can't dismiss a guy just because he was drafted during wartime, you know this perfectly well.
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@golem
The SS were an elite unit, you did not have to be a die hard nazi to be in the SS just a very good soldier.
Posted Apr-5-2012 BySMELLYMONKEY (130.96) 
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uh you sure did, the SS were the most fanatical followers of hitler and committed a large portion of ethnic cleansing and murder of men, women, and children somebody should ask this leftist darling of Europe how many children's skulls he put bullets through
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@Krupp
a natural progression from a national socialist SS fanatic to a political leftist, same ideology. I sure can dismiss him, he kept it a secret for a reason, how many women and children did this nazi personally kill, like i said it's telling that he is a darling of the left with his history
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