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US Submarine: No Mercy for Shipwrecked Japanese
1945. A US Navy submarine in action in the Pacific. The orders, due to the many cases of suicidal attacks with the use of explosives or hand grenades, were "to avoid and prevent with any means" the approacing to the US ships of shipwrecked Japanese sailors.
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Euwww. War is hell.
Posted Jun-28-2009 by "gtr1956" (R)
The implication of this vid is not entirely true, i just finished the excellent book "Silent Runing" by Calvert and in general US subs were not allowed to take prisoners on board or otherwise lend assistance. But there are no accounts in the book of actually machine gunning survivors in the water. In fact Calvert describes an incident where for some reason, they actually brought one Jap survivor on board the sub and turned him into a sort of ships helper as he was cooperative and all the fight was out of him. Interesting that German Admiral Karl Doenitz got 10 years at Nuremburg for doing exactly what the American subs did (and in fact US commanders studied U-boat tactics and copied many of them.)
Posted Jun-28-2009 by "Beinrich_Bimmler" (R)
This has been edited in order to support the idea that they were all machine gunned. The guy at 2.44 looks like he blew himself up with a grenade rather than being captured, its happened before...and then is shot to make sure hes dead.
Posted Jun-28-2009 by "Valour26" (R)
Many implications here for modern warfare. Every time those homicidal and suicidal islamic terrorist supporters whine on here because we kill those suckers,
here is historical precedent.
Posted Jun-28-2009 by "SouthParkIndie" (R)
This video shows violation of the first rule of naval battles -shipwrecked sailors must be taken aboard.
So what if we saw that one video of a Nip blowing himself up with a handgrenade? Kill everyone else?
Honor my ass.
Posted Jun-28-2009 by "slovenac81" (R)
So what if we saw that one video of a Nip blowing himself up with a handgrenade? Kill everyone else?
Honor my ass.
Rules can only be acted on until one side starts to abuse those rules. They then become redundant.
There are now no rules in war. Any weakness will be exploited.
Posted Jun-28-2009 by "fr33thinker" (R)
Sounds like an interesting read, I'll have to check that book out.
Posted Jun-28-2009 by "hambugor" (R)
I guess the Japanese would rather blow themselves up than be captured because they assumed we treated our prisoners as horribly as they did.
Posted Jun-28-2009 by "lonewolf6972" (R)
typical anti America progressive socialist CRAP !
Posted Jun-28-2009 by "spadata" (R)
It seems to me they could have just left the area after sinking the enemy ship, rather than shoot the drowning men one by one.
Posted Jun-28-2009 by "tech1921" (R)
we`re just a step away from calling this a war crime
Posted Jun-28-2009 by "slovenac81" (R)
we`re just a step away from calling this a war crime
Well, it was a war crime, brought about by the prior war crime of committing suicide attacks against those trying to rescue the Japanese. Whether two wrongs make a right is another question.
Posted Jun-28-2009 by "tech1921" (R)
Try reading about the USS Callaghan as pasted here:
On May 25, 1945, two twin-engined planes suddenly appeared out of the clouds and headed toward Callaghan. The gunners hit the lead plane, which crashed into the sea after passing less than 100 feet over the ship, but the smoking second plane flew away. Two men climbed out of the crashed plane, and a rescue party from Callaghan picked them up. The pilot died aboard the destroyer, but the plane's navigator regained consciousness and was transferred to the battleship New Mexico. The navigator, Kaoru Hasegawa, contacted Callaghan survivors and met with them at the ship's 1995 and 1999 reunions in order to express his gratitude to the ship's crew for saving his life.
Posted Jun-28-2009 by "flywithbirds" (R)
we`re just a step away from calling this a war crime
Well, it was a war crime, brought about by the prior war crime of committing suicide attacks against those trying to rescue the Japanese. Whether two wrongs make a right is another question.
totally agree that it is a war crime. shooting people in the water. I mean for ****s sake you sank to shit. rescue the survivors. use them a barganing chips. oh and I dont give a **** what you may say. I said what I said and **** off if you dont agree.
Posted Jun-28-2009 by "kurgen" (R)
I understand the problem with taking survivors onto one of the old subs though. They were small and cramped with the crew and the food was rationed for just the sailors on board. They also would have had to take the prisoners with them on the rest of the mission with them which could have also been a danger if the prisoners made noise which could have been picked up by enemy sonar and endangered the ship.
Killing the survivors of a sunken ship is still wrong. Maybe they could have implemented a policy were they threw them a raft so they had a chance. This just doesn't sit well with me.
Posted Jun-28-2009 by "ThunderHorse"