This post is an update to http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=090_1339984459 originally posted yesterday, 6/17/12, by LL user thinkslaughter (who has blocked me since I have a pesky habit of posting facts exposing lies of right wing propagandists). The item at the link above was given the title:
"Left Wing Marxist Cocaine Addict Bill Maher OWNED HARD by George Will! LOL!"
And then there is the description: "Bill Maher is a D list rat faced cocaine fiend desperate to remain in the spotlight after a failed media career..." a typical ad hominem attack strategy used when an individual does not have facts or logic on their side in a debate.
The FACT is, Bill Maher was 100% correct regarding his comments on Brazil and their 1970's Ethanol program to tremendously reduce their dependence on oil. He was not "owned hard" by George Will, much less owned at all. But thinkslaughter and his crowd have little use for facts. Since many of us do care about facts, I now present them.
FACTS: With the 1973 oil crisis, the Brazilian government initiated in 1975 the Pró-Álcool program. The Pró-Álcool or Programa Nacional do Álcool (National Alcohol Program) was a nation-wide program financed by the government to phase out all automobile fuels derived from fossil fuels in favour of ethanol. The program successfully reduced by 10 million the number of cars running on gasoline in Brazil, thereby reducing the country's dependence on oil imports.
Ethanol fuel is produced from sugar cane. Brazil has the largest sugar cane crop in the world, Brazil is the world's second largest producer of ethanol fuel and is the largest exporter of ethanol in the world.
Here is the video as originally posted by thinkslaughter:
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As much as I hate Maher, his point that the two parties are essentially the same when it comes to policies is spot-on.
And Brazil has a massive oil industry. Look up a company called Petrobras.
Posted Jun-18-2012 Byjum_runky (1524.84) 
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You are right. And they are doing this at the expense of the Amazon rainforest, clearing the forests for cane fields. The government is slowly curtailing this practice, which will impact how far they can convert over to just ethanol.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8262381.stm
Posted Jun-18-2012 Byjoe prole (1635.40) 
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@joe prole
Again a bit of perspective.
When beef & soy prices rose in 2007-08 deforestation rose.
Same when the prospect of Bio-Fuels as an alternative to oil was all the rage.
Much of the deforestation is attributed to logging for the wood alone, legal & illegal.
Brazilian rainforests are not being deforested to fuel Brazilian cars. The deforestation is good old exploitation of the lands resources
for money...what ever the flavor of the week may be.
Posted Jun-18-2012 ByPeckerhead (121.92) Peckerhead View Channel Send Message
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Bill Maher was right about them having a pro ethanol program.
What he said though, was that they were "off oil."
They absolutely aren't.
George Will is correct that they are still using gas, lots of it.
Posted Jun-18-2012 Bycastanza128 (619.62) 
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Oh George will: you need to get laid soon...
Posted Jun-18-2012 Bymarkand (103.68) 
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@markand HA...good luck with that!
Posted Jun-18-2012 Bygregsto (2452.68) 
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gregsto,
All cars in Brazil still use gasoline, albeit a blend of gasoline that has been thinned with some Ethanol.
The bottom line is that Brazil is still highly dependent on oil, as their fuel is 75% regular gasoline, and 25% ethanol. (although its only 18% now due to an ethanol shortage)
Bill says sugarcane fuels their cars, when in fact, sugarcane is only makes a small portion of their fuel.
So George’s question remains, how does Bill claim that Brazil got off oil, when clearly, the gas More..
Posted Jun-18-2012 Bywharris (2245.22) 
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@wharris Automobiles in Brazil run either on hydrous alcohol (E100) or on gasohol blend. So, no, not all cars in Brazil still use gasoline, albeit a blend of gasoline that has been thinned with some Ethanol. The accurate statement is that by law all vehicles must now be manufactured so that they can run on a 25% minimum mix gasahol.
Posted Jun-18-2012 Bygregsto (2452.68) 
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Just a little perspective.
The U.S., with a population of 311 million as of 2011, consumes over 19 million barrels a day. We're the #1 consumer of oil china a distant #2 at about 7.8 mil a day
Brazil, population at close to 200 mil. as of 2010 ranks #7 in oil consumption at about 2.5 million barrels a day.
So I guess George Will could walk away and say Brazil ranks # 7 in oil consumption ahead of Canada (#8)...they burn a lot of oil.
But in the context of the argument which was, in a nut she More..
Posted Jun-18-2012 ByPeckerhead (121.92) Peckerhead View Channel Send Message
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@Peckerhead See, now there you go pointing out that Maher was making a cogent argument about the poor energy policy of the US when CLEARLY the more important and thoughtful approach is to call him a "rat faced cocaine fiend desperate to remain in the spotlight" regardless of how much sense he makes.
Posted Jun-18-2012 Bygregsto (2452.68) 
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@gregsto
Well he is an ugly guy.
Posted Jun-18-2012 ByPeckerhead (121.92) Peckerhead View Channel Send Message
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@gregsto i'll think about Bill's cogent point he overheard from a Berkeley professor at an LGBT "civil rights" charity event this weekend when im on the boat tied up to the 7 other boats making memories and talking business with my buddies.
Posted Jun-18-2012 Bysinglelife (831.82) singlelife View Channel Send Message
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@gregsto yeah, when facts prove them wrong, screaming shrill insults like a 5th-grade girl is what they have left.
Posted Jun-18-2012 Bynexus1961 (431.04) 
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@Peckerhead
Population isn't the only measure here, though. The U.S. economic production is many, many times greater than Brazil's or even China's is.
China uses slightly less than half the oil we do, which makes sense because their GDP is less than half the size of ours, plus they also burn more coal than we do. Our economic output is about $15 trillion versus theirs of about $7 trillion.
Brazil, meanwhile, has an economic output of about $2.5 trillion, and their oil consumption reflects More..
Posted Jun-18-2012 Bybuzzardist (362.74) 
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I would not classify most of the conservatives on LL as being on Star53 and Thinkslaughter level. I have discussed and agreed/disagreed with many who have rational thoughts based off fact. But alas the Deep Red horde rapes the comment sections with insults instead of debate.
Posted Jun-18-2012 Byneutral_person (157.92) 
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@neutral_person star53 is a huge coward who blocks anyone with a different point of view.
he's afraid that someone with a brain will make him look stupid....like they used to all the time
Posted Jun-18-2012 Bydangeralstead (89.80) 
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@dangeralstead IDK about him being a coward. I have differed on many occasions and I am not blocked. But he does use circle logic from TV.
Posted Jun-18-2012 Byneutral_person (157.92) 
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@dangeralstead
"star53 is a huge coward who blocks anyone with a different point of view."
That is a fucking LIE!!! I know for a fact because I have gone round and round with star on many issues and he has never blocked me. I think at times we have agreed to disagree. But I'll also say that I finally started seeing the light somewhere between when I signed up for LL and the last year or so when Obama and his kronies kicked their "lets fuck America up" plan into high ge More..
Posted Jun-18-2012 Bydirtbiker201 (1449.78) 
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@dirtbiker201 actually, everything i just said was true.
he's a coward. how many people do you see commenting against him? hardly anyone that forms a coherent argument against his ideologies...because he knows they might make him look stupid.
if he doesn't want to be one anymore then he can un block me and go toe for toe in a civilised debate on important issues.
Posted Jun-19-2012 Bydangeralstead (89.80) 
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@dangeralstead IDK. I argue with him all the time but usually it end with him making some nonsense remark which you can't make a rebuttal for because
it's pure nonsense to begin with.
Posted Jun-20-2012 Byneutral_person (157.92) 
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So what did that do to the price of sugar in Brazil? Do you eat much steak? I'm guessing your a a vegan because the reason steak prices, pork prices, chicken, etc...has sky rocketed in the US is because the price of corn (the food these animals eat) has sky rocketed due to the demand for corn driven up by ethanol production. And its a proven fact that it takes more energy to produce a gallon of ethanol than that gallon of ethanol actually produces, so you are in a lose/lose situation at the ge More..
Posted Jun-18-2012 Bydirtbiker201 (1449.78) 
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Rat faced clown who calls anyone who doesn't agree with him "racist" can not be taken seriously.
Brazil has an agressive oil exploration industry. Look it up.
Posted Jun-18-2012 ByMoore Slayer (2014.84) 
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@Moore Slayer Who called anyone a 'racist'? And no one said that Brazil did not have a robust oil exploration industry.
Posted Jun-18-2012 Bygregsto (2452.68) 
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@gregsto: Apparently a tactic on the far left is to call someone a racist in order to discredit them. Even if they have NEVER used race as any criteria before. Come to think of it the far left prattle on and on about race all day. Who are the real racists again?
Posted Jun-18-2012 ByMoore Slayer (2014.84) 
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@Moore Slayer again, where, EXACTLY, did Maher call anyone racist?
You clowns don't have straw-men arguments anymore.. you have arguments on what the voices in your head say WE say...
Posted Jun-18-2012 Bynexus1961 (431.04) 
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@nexus1961: Racist.
Posted Jun-19-2012 ByMoore Slayer (2014.84) 
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@Moore Slayer Oh...so you were just throwing some right wing talking points out there that have nothing to do with the video....got it.
Posted Jun-21-2012 Bygregsto (2452.68) 
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I am trying to figure out what the problem with oil is? The world has plenty of it. Who cares about who uses more? Let's just use what we have while trying to find alternative ways to use energy.
Posted Jun-18-2012 Byhuey2323 (216.44) 
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It is the GREED. Being a billionaire is not good enough. Multi-billionaire is the new thing.
Posted Jun-18-2012 ByRhemis (968.78) 
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@Rhemis And with the way our freedoms are we all have a chance to be that
Posted Jun-20-2012 Byhuey2323 (216.44) 
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Speaking of consumption, when are they going to finish that Budweiser powered car? Now that's 'mericun right there.
Posted Jun-18-2012 ByLoomfries (220.06) 
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Umm where is the burn
Posted Jun-18-2012 Byroastemtoastem (7.50) 
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Biil Maher , the leftist.........Ok
Posted Jun-18-2012 ByComradeAgopian (515.52) 
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Do you realize what an idiotic defense of Maher this is, gregsto? Maher said that Brazil got off oil. A reduction in the number of cars running on gasoline is not getting off oil. It's just reducing consumption. Add into that the oil consumed in farming the sugar cane, the massive reduction in rain forest through slash-and-burn agriculture techniques, which not only wiped out a huge carbon sink but also sent tons and tons of pollutants into the air, and the fact that Brazil's economy was tin More..
Posted Jun-18-2012 Bybuzzardist (362.74) 
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What Bill should have said, is that Brazil is energy independent. They do not import oil because of the 70's program mentioned.
They are simply energy independent. They are not sucking on the tit of OPEC like the USA does.
Why cant the USA also be energy independent?
Posted Jun-19-2012 Bycdnbud (144.60) cdnbud View Channel Send Message
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