Funny - but typical - comment from a swede. Here's a little history lesson for you:

The Swedish count Eric von Rosen donated an aircraft to the fresh Finnish Air Forces in 1917. The wings were decorated with von Rosen's personal favourite emblem, the swastika. von Rosen had travelled in Asia and was probably More..inspired by the Buddhist imagery he had encountered.

The blue swastika became adopted as a dynamic symbol for the new Finnish Air Forces after the Civil War. This was not that unusual in the new independent republics in Europe. Latvia, too, used the swastika in official imagery, and eventually some German and Austrian right-wing extremists hijacked it for their political purposes. The swastika was common in folk art in many cultures, and in times when every nation strove to display their national identity in world fairs and sports competitions (as well as in war), this folkloristic symbol was free for exploitation. Besides, it was also a symbol for energy, and denoted electric power stations in Swedish maps well into the 1950's. In Asia, of course, the swastika is still in frequent use as a Buddhist or Hindu symbol. In the Asian worldview, Hitler is just one of many mortal tyrants in world history; his brief career in mass murdering cannot tarnish the ancient symbol of teachings of peace and compassion. But I digress...

Not only aircrafts, but also the Finnish tanks were "adorned" with this insignia. The small Finnish army could not afford to waste Soviet tanks that had fallen into their hands, and they were re-decorated with swastikas and thus easily recognisable as "friendly".

After the armistice in 1944, it became politically incorrect to display the swastika in European countries - or that is what you would think. Finland is different.

Due to the armistice agreements with the USSR, certain nationalist organisations such as Lotta Svärd (the women's auxiliary defence forces organisation) were prohibited. But the Lottas still display their badge proudly. In the daily paper's obituaries you can now and then see the Lotta cross. The swastika in the order of the Mannerheim Cross is not particularly hidden under the tiny white heraldic rose. And plenty of modern-day companies, private and public, have incorporated the swastika shape in their logotypes.

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Hope they accidentally forget to return it to Pensacola in 2011... ;-)

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As i understand, Pensacola has some explaining to do with ownership of that thing. I'm not saying that it is all their fault, but buying stolen property is almost universaly illegal.

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A More..nd the finnish airforce symbol is a swastika. The mainthing is. It's backwards. Less..

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Have you ever talked to a Russian war veteran about fighting against Finns during the winter, I have and I suggest you do that too so you can see how brainwashed you are you Communist P OF S.
You seem to be Russian because in my hometown the Russians that are visiting are just as arrogant and full of themselves too, but you wait and see things will change. Less..

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No, I guess you win this one because now there's nobody to prove what you said is a lie More...

BTW, show me your sources.

"We had wreckage" - who is "we"? Did you have 3000 wreckages or something?
How many planes did you see being shot down, dear witness?
BTW, the "continuation war" took place in a combat zone on the Soviet territory - there were NO Finnish eye witnesses there except the Finnish soldiers.

Photos? All right, where can I find pictures of 3000 Soviet planes downed WITH A PROOF they were downed by Finns?

BTW, where can I get the data on the number of Soviet pilots burried on the Finnish territory or taken as POWs?
At the same time, don't forget that the sudden Finnish attack against the USSR together with Germany had millions of Soviet POWs as a result. Many of them were pilots - who, however, had never had the opportunity to take their plane off the ground. We won't count them, all right.

BTW, by far not all the Soviet POWs were shot by Stalin - the majority went to the GULAG but not all of them died. And not everybody was sent there.

Thus, your statement about 3000 Soviet planes shot down against a few dozens of Finnish planes remains groundless and ridiculous. Less..

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And Finns, of course, are neither arrogant, nor full of themselves.

Finns are known worldwide for being open, friendly and self-ironic people, my ass!

However, if you talk about anybody who went to Russia, including me (I'm from the States), you'll discover, that Russians are very open people, friendly, with a great sense of humour, their girls fall in love easily and never care about the nationality of the boy-friend (a Finnish girl will NEVER date with a Russian guy, but a Russian girl will eagerly date with a Finn - so who's arrogant and full of themselves, uh?), Russians are very generous (Finns are greedy as hell and Norwegians, Swedes and Russians know it very well) and get along with anybody without any problem.

Communism is an ideology saying that private property is bad.

Who in Russia does think so? NOBODY.

Today, RUSSIA IS THE MOST CAPITALISTIC COUNTRY OF THE WORLD. Or one of them.

But to you, Finns, Russians are all communists. You would like to see them all dead. And it's good to kill communists. So, if you want to kill all Russians, just call them all communists - and here you are, kill them all.
That's a 100% Hitler ideology. He and his guys also found that Russian is a synonym for "communist" or "bolshevik".
You simply follow their tradition. Are you a nazi?

I'm sure you didn't talk to all those Russian
tourists who visit your Finnish village. And I'm sure they're all for private property and respect this right.
However, to you, ALL of them are "communists".

Well, according to your logic, ALL FINNS must be nazis then.

One more time, today's Russian worldview is totally capitalistic and based on market economy.

And you find Russians "arrogant" and "full of themselves" because you simply would like to see them poor (like in Soviet times) and humiliated by the unhuman Soviet government. But Russians overthrew it in 1991 and are now free, are doing business, are earning money, are traveling all around the world, including Finland, buy houses in your country, invest money into international investment funds etc.
And that makes you feel that they're arrogant.

Look, if Russians don't look like narrow-minded, poor and humiliated people it doesn't mean they're arrogant, all right?

And things will change for sure - to Russians' benefit. Less..

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The proof is called common sense and logic.

Why didn't the Soviet planes shot down the same number of Finnish planes?

Just try to answer this question and you'll see it's bullshit. Less..

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W More..HY?

Because 60 victories by the best pilot of a giant army of pilots LOOKS REALISTIC.

Stories about Finnish pilots without any special experience shooting down HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of Soviet planes and losing a few dozens themselves ARE BULLSHIT created by some Finnish propaganda department to wash the average Finnish brain and make the Finnish nation, who has lost 2 wars against the USSR, feel proud of itself.

You seem to be a victim of this shit, too. Less..

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BTW, in the Soviet times the Soviet-Finnish War More..had been totally outside the public interest after the Great Patriotic War due to the fact that the latter was much greater.

So, there was no use in propaganda concerning it.

And my data is not taken from any Soviet propaganda sources. It's taken from sources which are available for everybody in every normal country - and the information is all the same everywhere. Less..

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and oh dear here on YT u can learn more about winterwar on russian language..
10 parts..
link..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WipJrWm1Qk&feature=related

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Hahahahahahahaha!! =D You crack me up. Now im convinced that you are compatible with a religious fanatic. are you living in a box? Your arguments are so stupid that there should be a law against that. =D Less..

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Oh dear..
u sh#thead din't u read at all on that aces stories site..read more.. 1/4 of americans cant point out their country on the world map..
since u live i states go to National Naval Aviation Museum located on Pensacola and ask them about brewsters..they kick u sorry ass back to putinland..
Finns dont have propaganda department..Putin uses
propaganda department even today..
after shooting down 300 russians at winter war finns started training with airgunnery,straifing etc..

Genera More..l Nikunen wrote: "Clearly, the best fighter arriving during the temporary peace [between the Russian invasion of Finland in 1939 and the German invasion of Russia in 1941] was the American designed Brewster 239 Buffalo. These were acquired during the Winter War despite the U.S. law which prohibited the sale of war material to the combatant countries. The loophole which permitted the acquisition of the Brewster 239s was a clause in the law which permitted the sale of 'rejected' equipment. It was 'arranged' that the U.S. Navy rejected 44 Brewster Buffaloes which were then sold to Finland at a 'nominal price.'" (Only 43 F2As were released; Brewster shipped one additional aircraft from parts on hand. - from the prolog by Gen. Nikunen)
"Our Brewsters, contemporary fighters, were fat hustlers, just like bees. They had speed, agility and good weaponry too. In addition to that they also had protective amor behind the pilot's back and under his seat [installed by Finnish mechanics]. We were happy to take them anywhere to take on any opponent."

Finland bought 44 Brewster B-239s on 16th, December 1939, but they were received too late to see any combat during the Winter War. Unit price was 54 000 USD plus packing and delivery costs, also 10 spare engines, 20 propellers and other spare parts were purchased for a total sale price of 3.4 million dollars (168 million Finnish Marks). To the purchasers surprise all US Navy "property" were removed at the factory from the Brewsters bought by Finland: guns, sights, instruments and carrier equipment. Initially separately purchased Aldis-optical (binocular) sights were used, but in the spring of 1941 before reflector sights (Finnish Väisäla T.h.m. 40 sights which were based on Revi 3c) were installed in the Finnish Brewsters. Metric instruments were installed in Finnish Brewsters. The Finnish B-239 "export"- models were equipped with refurbished R-1820 G-5 engines taken from DC-3 airliners. The B-239s were designated from BW-351 to BW-394. During the war the single 0.30" machine gun was replaced with a 0.50" (12.7mm) and in 1943 all except one Finnish B-239s had four 0.50" machine guns. The wing guns had 400 rounds and fuselage guns 200 rounds each (0.30" had 600 rounds). Pilot seat armor was installed to Finnish Brewsters (important difference for pilot safety compared to F2A-1 and dictated by the Winter War experience). There were a lot of other little fixes, changes and improvements to the B-239 that were made locally in Finland during it's career.
Video clips of the Finnish Air Force in action. - The video has a lot of good footage of the Brewsters and how the Finns used them to their advantage..
links with pics u moron..

http://heninen.net/view.cgi?F=brewster&P=juutilainen.jpg&L=1
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http://heninen.net/view.cgi?F=brewster&P=wind.jpg&L=1 Less..

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation_war

Try studying rather than assuming and guessing. It helps a lot if you know even something from what you are arguing about.
I did a little digging in the internet and im sorry to inform you that i found wery little information about about the finland-ussr wars. I mean from the russian point of view. I only found discussion forums with people like you (mostly russians) bashing around the same stuff that you do. I remember talking with a russian univer More..sity student when i was 16. I asked her what do they teach you about the 1939-1944 wars between finland and russia. She told me that it was and still in a way is a black book. You are not allowed to talk about it. i found it really sad. And i really feel bad if your history is so reformed by lies and propaganda. I have only managed to read a few translated and uncensored books written by russian war veterans. I really hope that you can get your hands on some realiable material or something. I don't feel any anger towars you either anymore. I ralised how mislead you are and you are not responsible for that. It's well known that history will be written by the sword of the victor. Sadly it happens too often. I wish all the best for you and have a warm summer there. (with a limited amount of mosqitoes of course).
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and oh dear..it was david vs goliath that's why we finns are proud of the wars..
180 million Sovjet Union vs. 3.6 million Finland. And believe it - they couldn't conquerred Finland. Top it if you can, you can't.
My brothers girlfriend irina say they did't learn
nothing at russian schools about winterwar or the 1941-44 Continuation War..russian hiding propaganda..and she is 30..
finnish ace Juutilainen shot down 94 russians..
Continuation War started june 41 to september 44..
thats 40 mon More..ths..
so if u just shoot down 2 planes a month it's 80
so its LOOKING realistic to shoot down 94 enemys during ww2 for Juutilainen.
link to read about Juutilainen..

http://www.sci.fi/~fta/finace01.htm

In the Winter War Juutilainen scored two confirmed victories.

When the war against Soviet Union started again on 25 June 1941, Juutilainen was flying a Brewster in the 3st flight of LeLv 24 (Sqn.24). The 3rd Flight became later known as the "Knight Flight" because of the three holders of the Mannerheim Cross serving in it.

In 1941 he scored 13 confirmed victories and in 1942 next 21 victories.

In March 1943 Juutilainen was transferred to a new unit, Fighter Squadron 34, which was equipped with new Messerschmitt 109 G2 fighters. The Me with its 20 mm gun became his efficient tool and now he really began to excel. Less experienced or careless Soviet pilots had little chance when engaged by "Illu". The Soviet intelligence knew him well enough to once contact him via RADIO...

Finally in 1943 he scored 'only' 19 victories, but the 1944 was most successful recording additional 40 kills!

Aircraft Victories by Ilmari juutilainen

Fokker D.XXI 2 1/6 kills
Brewster B239 34 kills
Messerschmitt Bf 109G 58 kills
Total 94 1/6 kills

Hans "Hasse" Wind shot down 75 russians..
link to his site..

http://www.sci.fi/~fta/finace02.htm

In 1938 he was accepted for voluntary primary pilot training and he logged his first 35 single flying hours. In 1939/40 he was trained into Reserve Officer Pilot, but there were not enough planes for all trained pilots during the Winter War... Hans Wind had now decided to enter into military career, and he finished training as Lieutenant on 17 June 1941.

HLeLv 24 was equipped with Brewsters, the best fighter planes of the FAF. The pilots loved it and the aircraft type had an unique career in FAF. Wind became a pilot in his friend Sovelius' flight. Eastern Karelia, where the squadron operated, is mostly forest, bogs and lakes. All the missions were of "seek and destroy" type because there was no air surveillance system worth mentioning.

It was not until 22 September, that Wind was credited his first kill, an old I-15. The Soviet Air Force needed all the better planes against Germans. During the next 12 months he scored seven more victories.

He proved on 10 October 1942 that he was a competent fighter pilot: At Poventsa 3 BWs were engaged in dogfight against 12 MiG-3's. One of them had managed to get behind Wind's BW-377 tail and he could not shake the enemy off. He could not pull up in the cloud not knowing how thick it was, so he descended to 300 m, the MiG shooting at him all the time. Then, over Stalin's Canal he nose-dived and the enemy followed. He pulled out of the dive, but the enemy did not - MiG "stalled through" to use the Finnish pilot slang. Wind knew he could recover the BW from dive at low altitude, and he knew that the MiG-3 could not do the same.

Wind's score began to increase and he was catching up with Ilmari Juutilainen. He had his BW-393's machine guns aimed to focus their salvoes at 35 m ahead instead of the standard 150 m. So on 14 August 1942 Wind shot down two Hurricanes. Four days later there was the largest air battle of the FAF so far. Near Sepeleva lighthouse 16 Brewsters engaged a total of 60 Hurricanes and I-16s. BW pilots scored 16 and lost one. Wind shot down one Hurricane and two I-16s.

Early in the morning on 13 June 1944 Wind led six MTs to reconnoiter the results of FAF bombing raid on a Soviet "tank park" the night before. The mission turned into an interception fight as the Finnish pilots detected a formation of Pe-2 bombers. Their escort fighters were not up to their task. Capt. Wind shot down four bombers in quick succession, the other pilots downed four more. Then the Finnish Messerschmitts escaped. In the afternoon Wind was leading four MEs in another reconnaissance mission and they were returning home with task accomplished, flying at treetops. At Halila Wind saw six Pe-2s at 1500 m escorted by 16 "Airacobras" at 3000m flying north, to bomb Finnish positions. Wind decided to attack, again defying the orders to avoid combat. He ordered each pilot to pick a target, then they began to approach unnoticed under the bombers. When in range, Wind commanded fire. Four Petlyakovs were destroyed, the two surviving escaped and the Finnish fighters disengaged before the enemy fighters intervened. Wind was reprimanded for endangering the reconnaissance results twice the same day, but consoled himself by thinking what the Soviet commander of the escort fighters could explain to the politruk..

After destroying of 5 Pe-2 s on 13 June 1944, the incredible series of Wind's kills was continued in following days: 15 June - 1 P-39 1 IL-2M; 16 June - 2 Pe-2 1 La-5; 19 June - 2 P-39 1 La-5 (flown by a Hero of Soviet Union, major A.V. Zhirkov). Now Wind was flying a brand new G-6, "MT-439". The plane was still under German insignia because there was no time to painting work.

20 June 1944 there was the toughest day of the war in the air. FAF Messerschmitts (30 aircraft) flew 126 missions, were engaged in 13 air battles in which 49 victories were scored, without losses. This day "Hasse" add to his scoreboard 2 La-5s 2 Yak-9s 1 Pe-2. Two days later (on 22 June) he got 2 Spitfires 1 La-5; next day - 2 La-5s 2 DB-3Fs; on 25 June - 3 Yak-9s 2 Yak-7s.

That makes 30 victories in 12 days. Wind took off fast after alert and attacked the enemy ruthlessly, without planning or hesitation. When in shooting position he fired accurately at close range. But Wind was very bitter not being able to help the Finnish infantry, being terrorized by Shtormoviks. On 26 June 1944 he test flew the MT-439 after repair and shot down 3 Yak-9s. His last flight was on 28 June 1944. He shot down 3 Yak-9s and returned to base badly wounded...
Aircraft Victories by Hans Wind
Brewster B239 39 kills
Messerschmitt Bf 109G 36 kills
Total 75 kills

so very logic figures oh dear moron..

about russian TOP ACE pilot Ivan Nikitovich Kozhedub..

He was born in the village of Obrazheyevka in Ukrainian SSR, the youngest of five children. After achieving excellent results at the Chuhuiv military aviation school, he stayed on as an instructor and trained many young Soviet pilots. Feeling his talents would be better used in combat, he requested a transfer to an active service unit, and by March 1943, he was on the front lines flying the Lavochkin La-5. During World War II, he served as a fighter pilot from March of 1943 onwards on several fronts (Voronezh Front, Steppe Front, 2nd Ukrainian Front, 1st Belorussian Front) and at different ranks, starting from Senior airman (flying the Lavochkin La-5) up to the Deputy commander of the air regiment. He is regarded as the best Soviet flying ace of the war, and is mostly associated with flying the Lavochkin La-7. He holds the record for confirmed air combat victories amongst all Allied air force pilots (effectively the Allied "Ace of Aces") during WWII. He has also been notoriously known among Soviet Air Force pilots as "AN ACE WHO HAS LOST A RECORD NUMBER OF HIS WINGMEN DURING HIS COMBAT MISSIONS"..[citation needed]. He is also reputed to have the unusual ability to shoot targets at very oblique angles.

Kozhedub's WWII record:

330 combat missions
120 aerial engagements
62 enemy aircraft shot down, including one Me 262 Jet fighter. His first kill was a German Junkers Ju 87 "Stuka" Dive-bomber on July 6, 1943.
lot to read and lot to learn..
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