Part of channel(s): Afghanistan (current event)By Lucy Kinder
The former Liberal Democrat leader urged British troops to "get out" of Afghanistan as soon as possible, to avoid "wasting" any more lives.
He said: "The only outcome of staying longer is more deaths for no purpose; most of them now caused not by the enemy in front of our troops, but by the enemy among them."
Writing in The Times he cited the statistic that so far this year 61 coalition soldiers have been killed by members of the Afghan National Army or Police- 14 of them have been British.
Last month a British Army commander warned that the threat to British troops posed by their Afghan allies has increased and more attacks can be expected.
Brigadier Doug Chalmers said that the rise in insider attacks is partly “statistical,” suggesting that a certain percentage of the Afghan forces will always be unreliable.
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The latest victim, Captain Walter Barrie, 41, was shot dead on Remembrance Sunday by an Afghan soldier during a football match between British and Afghan forces.
Captain Barrie from, The Royal Scots Borderers, 1st Battalion The Royal Regiment of Scotland was flown back to the UK yesterday.
The 11 year Afghanistan conflict has cost 438 British lives.
Britain will end the combat mission at the end of 2014, and could withdraw as many as 4,000 of its 9,000 troops next year.
Lord Ashdown (Jeff Gilbert)
But Lord Ashdown questioned whether that was soon enough. He said: "It is not worth wasting one more life in Afghanistan.
"All that we can achieve has now been achieved.
"All that we might have achieved if we had done things differently, has been lost.
"The only rational policy now is to leave quickly, in good order and in the company of our allies."
Lord Ashdown conceded that British forces have succeeded in driving out al-Qaeda, the main reason behind the conflict, but he said:
"In almost all the other tasks we set ourselves, especially the establishment of a sustainable state, we have failed and lost."
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thats the liberal attitude on things
if its a little rough along the way they give up and put there tails between there legs
as a guy with a family member over there right now , i say fight on till the end ... wars are'nt meant to be pretty
Posted Nov-16-2012 ByMajorMeatbone (69.30) 
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What is your family member fighting for?
Posted Nov-16-2012 ByBleys (1649.80) 
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You should google Ashdown before slamming him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paddy_Ashdown
Posted Nov-16-2012 Bya1ds (31.90) 
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@MajorMeatbone
Unfirtunately there won't be an end, you can't change the mindset of religious fanatics. When our forces leave there will probably be a civil war and a change in the ruling regime. I don't like to think that any coalition lives have been wasted in Afghanistan but I also don't want any more to die if it won't change anything.
I think Paddy Ashdown has earned his right to speak on military issues, he is an ex marine and SBS member.
Posted Nov-16-2012 Bymike_oxslong (64.70) 
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@MajorMeatbone socialism sucks
Posted Nov-16-2012 ByXyBerFuNK (1202.40) 
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@XyBerFuNK But you have at least another 8 years of it to come. Ha Ha!! That must really chaff your testicles, at least, where they used to be!
Posted Nov-16-2012 ByCargeLock (1995.12) 
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@Justin Bieber
It was "Call of Obama 2 - Operation Failed Leader" for xbox360 and ps3...
in order to finish the last level it requires the player shove the controller up their ass in order to complete the mission.
It's only just begun...
Obama is a wrecking ball
It's not his fault though. It's the fault of those who voted for him. THEY are to blame...
it's their fault.. not his
and punishment is on it's way.. prepare yourself
Posted Nov-16-2012 ByXyBerFuNK (1202.40) 
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@Justin Bieber Voted best con artist 8 years in a row.
Posted Nov-16-2012 Bykajidono (686.26) 
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@Justin Bieber a small majority barely over 50% is hardly an earth shaking majority...
You worry about your own hell hole
I'll worry about mine
Posted Nov-16-2012 ByXyBerFuNK (1202.40) 
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Thousands of dead Taliban and All Queerda bodies say otherwise.
Whether the Afghans want to take the opportunity to embrace democracy and the 21st century for that matter, now would be a good time to do so.
Troops will leave on their time table.. when they please, in accordance with the military's battlefield shot-callers.
Afghanistan falls back into control of the terrorists.. their problem.
Posted Nov-16-2012 ByRogerTheShrubber (470.50) 
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@RogerTheShrubber 'their problem'...until its our problem
Posted Nov-16-2012 ByElegantDecline (2131.88) 
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The "terrorists" we went into Afghanistan after were Saudis. The Taliban had no beef with us. Our full scale invasion of Afghanistan was obviously a huge failure just as was our invasion of Iraq. We did more to build Al Qaeda than Bin Laden ever would have.
Posted Nov-16-2012 ByIthinkthat1 (1247.70) 
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@ElegantDecline Again.
Posted Nov-16-2012 Bykajidono (686.26) 
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@Ithinkthat1 Not seeing the failure in Iraq. Afghanistan was a clusterfuck from day one. It was the pit that that helped break the Soviet Union. I'm still trying to figure out how we walked right into a trap that we helped set up. Are our leaders really that retarded?
(The answer is yes, God save us all.)
(God doesn't give a shit.)
Posted Nov-16-2012 Bykajidono (686.26) 
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@kajidono Hell, let's invade Vietnam again, for old times sake.
Posted Nov-16-2012 ByIthinkthat1 (1247.70) 
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Its amazing to me how time forgets all soldiers. Anyone remember how man soldiers died in Northern Ireland. For What? What did it achieve! Ill tell you what NOTHING. Can anyone remember the last soldier who was only 18 blown away by an IRA sniper. Why was he shot down, FOR WHAT????
The exact same applies to Afghanistan. The Taliban and Mujaheddin shall remain long after all the Americans and their cronies have fucked of and have been forgotten.
Anyone that thinks the brave British soldiers shoul More..
Posted Nov-16-2012 ByDenny Boy (119.10) 
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Dear Paddy Ashdown,
Go fuck yourself.
Sincerely,
All of us who have served/worked in Afghanistan
Posted Nov-16-2012 ByThe_Bull (19.06) 
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Well I can only think of one bad bombing day here. So maybe we have done enough to at least slow them down. I dunno, Only time will tell I guess.
Posted Nov-16-2012 Bypara001 (672.30) 
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@para001 The bombings didn't come from Afghan pal...they came from Bradford
Posted Nov-16-2012 ByElegantDecline (2131.88) 
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@ElegantDecline Trained, brain washed and influenced by who i wonder? And I never stated any nation.
Posted Nov-16-2012 Bypara001 (672.30) 
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@para001 Look at the title...and Bin Laden as we know, was in Pakistan
Posted Nov-16-2012 ByElegantDecline (2131.88) 
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@ElegantDecline So I was right the first time. Cheers.
Posted Nov-16-2012 Bypara001 (672.30) 
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@para001 Fraid not...the London bombers had no link with the war in Afghan...
Posted Nov-16-2012 ByElegantDecline (2131.88) 
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OBAMAS WAR = loser
what a mess
another failure to add to the long, expanding gigantic list of failures from this failed president and his failed administration..
what a mess
Posted Nov-16-2012 ByXyBerFuNK (1202.40) 
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@XyBerFuNK Lol, if my memory serves me correctly this war began in 2001...
Posted Nov-16-2012 ByElegantDecline (2131.88) 
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@ElegantDecline I'm using HIS words... not MINE
boggle it
Posted Nov-16-2012 ByXyBerFuNK (1202.40) 
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@XyBerFuNK G. W. Bush - "Mission Accomplished!", oh wait a minute...
Posted Nov-16-2012 ByCargeLock (1995.12) 
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@CargeLock That had nothing to do with Bush and I'm pretty tired of it. That banner was put up to celebrate the end of the aircraft carrier's current mission. Had NOTHING to do with Bush dropping in.
Posted Nov-16-2012 Bykajidono (686.26) 
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@CargeLock yeah what about Grover Cleveland...
Probably all his fault...
RESIST!
REJECT Obama!
Before its too late
Posted Nov-16-2012 ByXyBerFuNK (1202.40) 
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Paddy is ex SAS he knows what he's talking bout , mabye it is time to get the fuck out. The government should listen to him
Posted Nov-16-2012 Bypete westman (62.10) pete westman View Channel Send Message
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@pete westman Ex marine,not sas
Posted Nov-16-2012 Bydrivenwell2 (577.92) drivenwell2 View Channel Send Message
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@drivenwell he also served with the SBS which I think you'll find is a branch of the SAS. if not one and the same
Posted Nov-20-2012 Bypete westman (62.10) pete westman View Channel Send Message
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@pete westman You might be right?but i knew he wasent ex army.
Posted Nov-20-2012 Bydrivenwell2 (577.92) drivenwell2 View Channel Send Message
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Well, we did run Al Qaeda and the Taliban out of there. We did kill a HUGE amount of savages. But you just cannot change such a deeply imbedded culture of abuse, murder, and oppression. It would be like trying to force a heroin addict from using heroin. They are not going to change unless they want to.
The Taliban was decimated. So was Al Qaeda, but they have been coming back with a vengeance since Obummer became da prezadint. Now, thanks to Obummer's foreign policies on the middle east, More..
Posted Nov-16-2012 ByArrestU (566.08) 
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@ArrestU Where do you get your information about Afghanistan from?
Posted Nov-16-2012 ByLive2Race (168.10) 
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@Live2Race He didn't really touch on Afghanistan.
Posted Nov-16-2012 Bykajidono (686.26) 
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Liberal democrat, Paddy lets surrender are arses Ashdown.Its a good job these cunts havent been in power for 80yrs or we would all be talking fucking German now.Defeatist cunt.
Posted Nov-16-2012 Bydrivenwell2 (577.92) drivenwell2 View Channel Send Message
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@drivenwell2 Yeah, let's have endless wars with no objective. That makes much more sense.
Posted Nov-16-2012 ByIthinkthat1 (1247.70) 
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@Ithinkthat1 Well muslim extremist are not going to give up anytime soon!Maybe we should give up now then,seeing as people like you see it as endless.
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@drivenwell2 I should have clarified. I meant the war in Afghanistan. You can add Iraq to that.
Posted Nov-16-2012 ByIthinkthat1 (1247.70) 
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@Ithinkthat1 This is a war without end.Muslim extremist will not give up trying to kill us, till they reach their goals of an Islamic west.The war in the Afghan is about denying them training grounds.The other war is economic.The west has has lost nothing compared to the 2 world wars we fought,so whats your problem.Better to fight Islam in the east than in our own countries.Draw them in and kill them on their own soil,rather than ours.
Posted Nov-16-2012 Bydrivenwell2 (577.92) drivenwell2 View Channel Send Message
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@Ithinkthat1 Could add Iraq if we had failed there.
Posted Nov-16-2012 Bykajidono (686.26) 
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Oh, a liberal advocating running away and hiding under mommy's bed. Imagine that.
Posted Nov-16-2012 Bykajidono (686.26) 
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@kajidono An ex Royal Marine liberal. He knows what he's talking about and he's been to enough funerals of Marines killed within his constituency to see what it's doing to the families.
Posted Nov-16-2012 ByLamphard (26.10) 
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@Lamphard Ok, taking into account our current leadership and their total ineptitude, yeah, you guys should get the hell out asap. Thank you for sticking it out this long, but we've royally fucked it up beyond all saving.
Posted Nov-16-2012 Bykajidono (686.26) 
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@kajidono
His point is we invaded because of 9/11 which was done by Al'Qaeda and now that Bin Laden is dead and Al'Qaeda destroyed in the region(remember Taliban is separate from Al'Qaeda) so what's the point. What he should have said is if we're not going to invade Pakistan(which duh, we're not) then we wont win this war now or later.
Posted Nov-16-2012 Bydocyoung (134.00) 
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@docyoung Yeah, Al'Qaeda is destroyed. Magical fairy elves killed our ambassador in Libya.
Posted Nov-16-2012 Bykajidono (686.26) 
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@kajidono Hey, I need you to look at something, seeing as Libya is such a big deal to you:
http://i.imgur.com/JLMYE.jpg
Posted Nov-17-2012 Byhellgremlin (763.12) hellgremlin Send Message
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Yup Id agree with that. Time to leave. the whole way we went about it in the first place was all wrong. We should have just bombed specific targets of the fucking country of the face of the earth. bombed the people into submission so that they where so scared that they would happily point to the enemy strongholds instead of lying to our faces. That geneva convention is a real bitch sometimes.
Posted Nov-16-2012 ByShootnScoot (60.20) 
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US army are cowards. That's why they lost lol.
Posted Nov-16-2012 ByKamran661 (270.40) 
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The Brits do this from time to time, they did it to us in Basra when they tucked their tails and pulled back to an airbase. It isn't the soldiers fault they have some good fight in them but their government is bullshit and lack the testicle fortitude to stick it out until we have established a viable replacement.
Posted Nov-17-2012 ByBitchslaphero (70.80) 
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correct..leave the emirate now and you will not take further losses
Posted Nov-18-2012 ByQadri (43.50) 
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