Generally, when you buy a new device you plan on using it however you want, hopefully with the occasional update to keep everything running smoothly. Every once in a while, though, an update comes along that makes you scream in terror, like the one Cisco just rolled out across their router line, forcing users to register with Cisco's cloud service or end up with a bricked device.
Why in the world would you need to tie your router into some sort of cloud service? So that Cisco can monitor everything you do and sell your information, of course! Alright, alright: on the bright side, you do get anytime, anywhere” access to your router, and access to 'new apps' to enrich your 'connected lifestyle.' We never asked for apps on our router in the first place, but that's beside the point.
Initially, Cisco updated their privacy policy to give them the right to keep track of things like how much traffic goes through your router and which websites you're looking at:
When you use the Service, we may keep track of certain information related to your use of the Service, including but not limited to the status and health of your network and networked products; which apps relating to the Service you are using; which features you are using within the Service infrastructure; network traffic (e.g., megabytes per hour); internet history; how frequently you encounter errors on the Service system and other related information (“Other Information”).
Since then, they decided to yank that little addition (although they still have the right to change it back without notice), and thanks to user outcry, they've also provided some instructions to revert back to the old firmware and avoid these problems. Unfortunately, the vast majority of users will never even know about the update, or even what firmware is, let alone how to revert to an older version of it.

Aside from the obvious privacy issues, the real problem here is that they're trying to take your porno and warez away from you. The terms of service of Cisco's Cloud Connect service contains some really interesting clauses:
You agree not to use or permit the use of the Service: (i) to invade another's privacy; (ii) for obscene, pornographic, or offensive purposes; (iii) to infringe another's rights, including but not limited to any intellectual property rights; (iv) to upload, email or otherwise transmit or make available any unsolicited or unauthorized advertising, promotional materials, spam, junk mail or any other form of solicitation; (v) to transmit or otherwise make available any code or virus, or perform any activity, that could harm or interfere with any device, software, network or service (including this Service); or (vi) to violate, or encourage any conduct that would violate any applicable law or regulation or give rise to civil or criminal liability.
As a result of that, Cisco reserves the right, 'without limitation,' to transform your router into a useless brick if they decide you're uploading a little too much porn on their cloud service, or if they catch you uploading that CD you just ripped. That could raise another red flag for people who still value their privacy, since enforcing those rules would probably mean keeping tabs on what each file that passes through the service is. With any luck, though, it's just an attempt to keep Cisco Cloud Connect from becoming the next Megaupload.
By: 10fold
In: Science and Technology
Tags: Cisco locks users out of their routers, requires invasive cloud service
Location: United States (load item map)
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@akaangus
If there's a class action initiated, I will join it. I have full evidence of Cisco's admissions to despicable behaviors, including the removal from their site of the firmware necessary to undo their outrageous intrusion. Under massive pressure, they made it available again, days later. During that entire period they gave me the runaround and repeatedly reneged on their explicit promises to contact me (each time promised "within hours") with a solution.
Posted Jul-5-2012 ByNotJim (1012.60) 
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@NotJim
Bunch of pricks. Dishonourable companies like that make my blood boil. If a company fucks up, at least they can be honest or else I stop being so nice to them!
Posted Jul-5-2012 ByN4CR (947.60) 
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@akaangus
Hilarious but coming from apple hardly surprising.
Posted Jul-5-2012 ByN4CR (947.60) 
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@N4CR
It cost me at least 10 hours of personal time.
I warned them repeatedly. Now, it's going to cost them tens of thousands of dollars. My clients number in the hundreds. They'll all be advised strongly to avoid Cisco products. The aggregate losses to Cisco over the years will be incalculable.
I have no doubt whatsoever that I am one of thousands of IT professionals who have drawn this same conclusion.
Posted Jul-5-2012 ByNotJim (1012.60) 
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I went through this shit with one of my clients.
It's a story so long I will make no effort to detail it here.
Cisco's outrageous behavior and gross irresponsibility has made up my mind to never. NEVER. Not EVER use another of its products.
It's Game Over for Cisco.
Posted Jul-5-2012 ByNotJim (1012.60) 
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@NotJim
They're going the way of Sony and the PS3 network - removing via firmware update, linux support and backwards compatibility from 60gb ps3s. Thing is you couldn't keep running old firmware or new games wouldn't play. Had to hack them or nothing (no online). What a flop. Had 3 60gb PS3 RMAs, cashed in and built a proper pc. I don't know anyone with sony gear in their house any more other than my parents tv. A friend also shares the same observation. Wonder when the microsoft xbox wing wil More..
Posted Jul-5-2012 ByN4CR (947.60) 
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@DirtyUncleBerty
DOA parts are infuriating! Nothing pissed me off more than replacing a motherboard on a laptop (fiddly) then it didn't work. We never screwed them up till after power on testing because of that. Pretty common.
These are boards coming back from professional repair.. not just sony but same shit happens for almost every laptop brand I've repaired (most of them!). And that's just laptops...
I use sony cameras for freelance work, they are okay but I'll never buy another japanese c More..
Posted Jul-5-2012 ByN4CR (947.60) 
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@DirtyUncleBerty
What country are you in?
Dell tried that with me on a high end monitor. I told them if it has a single scratch or mark on it, if it's not like new and not as I saw it in the store - unblemished, they're getting it back. Had a panel blemish so was returned again, 3rd time around they send a brand new unit because I threatened to take my money back. Play your cards carefully when you deal with them or they'll fall back to their slimy terms and conditions and offload you a refurb More..
Posted Jul-5-2012 ByN4CR (947.60) 
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For the young or those with unreliable memories, there was a time in the 1990s when Cisco was the largest company in the world, as measured by market capitalization.
Posted Jul-5-2012 Bygovett (943.30) govett View Channel Send Message
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Destined to fail...
Posted Jul-5-2012 ByVfor (192.50) Vfor View Channel Send Message
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@Willows What's the alternative to Google?
Posted Jul-5-2012 ByDeparted (108.80) 
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@Departed
startingpage.com
Posted Jul-5-2012 ByN4CR (947.60) 
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@N4CR LOL it says right on the page that it's enhanced by google. And oh my lookee here Ixquick is EU approved for privacy. LOL That tells me that it's a crock of shit. European Union approved? Really?LOLOLOL
Either don't log into google when you search, or try duck duck go or blekko.
Posted Jul-5-2012 ByThe Cell Tribe (17.10) 
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@The Cell Tribe
Lol yes but if you have to use it that's the way. Via VPN of course.
Good luck finding a better search algorithm.
Alternative to google is darknet. Where shit is easier to find when you know where to go. Where google doesn't tread..
Posted Jul-5-2012 ByN4CR (947.60) 
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Not sure if this is true but its all over the net. That's a hell of an intrusion. If true, I hope they take a Netflix caliber kick to the balls for this.
Posted Jul-5-2012 BySaros (798.40) 
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Ha, wait until you install windows 8; you need to supply a blood specimen and a sample of DNA. Horrid piece of shit. 4 iterations of windows software hasn't ever swayed me from the superior Linux core.
Why would anyone buy a cisco router anyway, fuckin horrible things? Draytek rules the routers!
Posted Jul-5-2012 ByCargeLock (2001.92) 
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@Hazel_Nut
Not anymore.
Posted Jul-5-2012 ByNotJim (1012.60) 
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Glad I flashed my Cisco E2000 router with TOMATO FIRMWARE ALREADY. hahahha they can't do SHIT to me.
Posted Jul-5-2012 Bynirv (32.84) 
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@nirv
That can't be done with the EA routers. Unfortunately.
Posted Jul-5-2012 ByNotJim (1012.60) 
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LMAO @ American's and their obsession with porn. FFS guys, get a woman.
Posted Jul-5-2012 ByArgh (263.34) 
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@Argh LMAO at you brits and your ability to completely pass over anything that has to do with monitoring and control. FFS get a clue.
Posted Jul-5-2012 ByThe Cell Tribe (17.10) 
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@Argh interacting with real women is difficult, its easier to just get high in your room and jerk off on top of your comp before you pass out and go to sleep
Posted Jul-5-2012 ByLostSomewhereInSpace (2446.10) 
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@Argh
United Kingdom consistently comes in above the US for "porn" search.
http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=porn&cmpt=q
I'd recommend the "View change over time" option below the map it's pretty cool.
Posted Jul-5-2012 ByRikki_Tikki_Tavi (590.30) Rikki_Tikki_Tavi View Channel Send Message
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Used to respect them, did CCNA, worked in the largest WLAN in southern hemisphere using their products, own one of the first 802.11b enterprise APs they ever made, installed their stuff etc etc. But fuck cisco. Ain't ever touching your shit again after trying to pull this.
Who are you to us ciscock? Our mothers? Hell no. We pay you to provide us a service and reliable hardware, not an additional cloud network with third party terms and conditions .
Posted Jul-5-2012 ByN4CR (947.60) 
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Simple, Throw away your cisco router and get one that doesn't do this. Hit them in the balls and they'll get the point.
Posted Jul-5-2012 ByThe Cell Tribe (17.10) 
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Privately owned companies spy on people every chance they get. People are rightly concerned with governments spying on them and trying to counter that. But there are few checks on private business' that do the very same thing.
All you have to do is monitor your own outgoing packets. Most people would have a heart attack if they knew what and how much information goes out to companies when they use their products. Without their knowledge or approval.
Cisco is an example but isn't an isolated More..
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