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For those like to keep saying in 9/11 conspiracy discussions that fire
can't weaken steel and cause a structural failure (and because the
uploader of the recent featured 9/11 footage sees fit to block comments
from anti-conspiracy commenters):


Steel and concrete overpass in Oakland being felled by fire alone following fuel truck explosion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Kp69PmhELZA

Overpass Near San Francisco Collapses After Fire
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/29/us/29cnd-collapse.html


Associated Press
An aerial view of the collapsed freeway overpass near downtown Oakland.

By JESSE McKINLEY and CAROLYN MARSHALL

Published: April 29, 2007

OAKLAND, Calif., April 29 — A fiery pre-dawn tanker truck accident
caused the collapse of a heavily trafficked freeway overpass near
downtown today, sending hundreds of feet of concrete crashing onto a
highway below and hobbling a vital Bay Area interchange.

Overpass Collapse


Peter DaSilva for The New York Times

A fiery pre-dawn tanker truck accident caused the collapse of heavily
used freeway overpass near downtown Oakland early this morning.
The driver of the truck, which was carrying 8,600 gallons of
gasoline, was hospitalized with second-degree burns. No other injuries
were reported from the accident, which occurred at 3:42 a.m.But even as the
fire smoldered, transit officials said the accident could complicate
the lives of commuters for months.



“It will make for a long trip,” said Will Kempton, the director of Cal Trans, the state transportation agency.

The accident occurred in the very heart of an unruly cloverleaf known as
the MacArthur Maze, where several major arteries converge at the
approach to the Bay Bridge, which connects San Francisco with the
cities and suburbs that line the east side of San Francisco Bay. The
California Highway Patrol identified the driver of the tanker as James
Mosqueda, 51, from Woodland, Calif., near Sacramento. Officer Trent
Cross, a spokesman for the highway patrol, said Mr. Mosqueda had just
picked up the gasoline from a nearby refinery and was headed to a gas
station near the Oakland airport when the accident occurred. The
highway patrol believes that Mr. Mosqueda was heading south on an
interchange of Interstate 80 when he lost control in a curve, hit a
guardrail and flipped his truck on its side. The tanker exploded,
sending flames hundreds of feet into the air, according to witnesses,
and quickly buckled a three-lane section of Interstate 580 and caused it
to collapse onto Interstate 880 some thirty feet below.Michael
Brown, the commissioner of the highway patrol, said the driver was able
to escape the burning truck and apparently hailed a cab in order to go
to the hospital. Mr. Brown said there was “no indication of impairment
of the driver” by drugs or alcohol, but that some legal issues are
outstanding for both Mr. Mosqueda, and the truck’s owner, Sabek
Transportation, based in San Francisco.For some Bay Area
residents, the accident evoked memories of the 1989 Loma Prieta
earthquake, which caused the collapse of a mile-long, double-decker
section of I- 880, near the site of today’s accident. That collapse,
which occurred during the evening rush hour, resulted in 41 deaths and
more than 100 injuries, as cars on the lower level were crushed. Mayor
Gavin Newsom of San Francisco, who visited the site today, called the
collapse “a giant wake-up call to the region” about what might happen in
a major temblor. “It’s a matter of when not if,” Mr. Newsom said.


This time around, the results were not deadly on I-880, but no less
arresting to look at. Dozens of people converged near the collapse site
to gawk at the damage, and rubbernecking drivers on remaining roadways
slowed traffic. “I was on the road last night, so it’s kind of
scary for me,” Anita Myles, 49, an Oakland resident, said as peered at
the damage through a chain link fence. Another onlooker, James
Signore, a civil engineer from Oakland, said he had a professional
interest in the damage. “I have not seen this kind of wreckage before,”
said Mr. Signore, 43. “And I’m really curious how something this stout
could be taken down.”He was not the only one wondering how the
overpass, which dates to the 1950’s, had failed. At a noontime press
conference held at a toll plaza near the collapse, Mr. Kempton said the
heat from the fireball had likely melted the steel girders and bolts
that support the concrete roadway. “If you have that kind of heat,
you’re going to have this kind of reaction,” he said. “We’re not
surprised this happened.”With a Monday morning rush hour looming,
officials said they were trying to assess the damage as fast as
possible. Even with fewer cars on the road on a sunny weekend afternoon,
traffic was slow coming off the Bay Bridge into the East Bay, a
situation that will no doubt intensify as the work week begins. On an
average day, the two spans that were destroyed this morning carry
160,000 vehicles, Mr. Kempton said. Bay Area Rapid Transit, the
train system connecting San Francisco and the East Bay, was not affected
by the accident. Additional trains were being added and existing trains
lengthened to accommodate more passengers. “We would encourage
people to stay away from maze,” Mr. Kempton said. “If experience tells
us anything, it will take a day or two to get this sorted out.”That
may be a very rosy assessment. Rebuilding the collapsed section of
I-880 took nearly a decade, though Mr. Kempton called that situation “a
much larger issue” involving neighborhood and environmental concerns.
Mr. Kempton said he had contacted Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s
office soon after the accident, and would seek federal highway funds
for repairs, something he estimated would cost tens of millions of
dollars.

“It’s not going to be cheap,” he said. He also pleaded for patience,
saying with this kind of complex highway system, “You’re not going to
have a picnic every day.”

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Editorial:

....this is where the conspiracy theorists say "But that's not the WTC!!!1!
Don't you know the difference between an overpass and the WTC!!??!!?"...then run away before having to explain the relevant differences.

Let's also keep in mind that the steel in this overpass was supporting it's intended load when it failed due to heat. The steel in the affected areas of the WTC were supporting more than their intended load given that some supports had been severed by the airplane that smashed through it.


Added: Jun-16-2012 Occurred On: Apr-29-2007
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  • Sure the steel on the impact site went from holding 100% of the upper floors to holding 0%, no sagging, fast enough to allow the upper floors to 'jack hammer/ the lower floors. Then 47X2 BLD 1+2 continuously welded steel columns collapsed into themselves, no profound buckling, no moving away from the path of most, into the path of least resistance, no breaking at 1 point of metal fatigue, no it's multiple fractures every column, both building for most of the hight. Perfectly logical. no magic ph More..

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    • @rozza2012

      no buckling?

      http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu347/911conspiracytv/horseshoe_steel.jpg

      No moving into the path of least resistance?

      http://unitedcats.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/wtc2collapse.jpg

      What do you call these?

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  • Here in the Twin cities ,we didn't even need fire for one of our bridges to collapes.

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  • Jet fuel has a maximum open air burning temperature of 315 degrees C or 599 degrees F. Gasoline's max open air burning temperature is 560 degrees C or 1040 degrees F. The critical temperature for steel is 540 degrees C.

    The damage this overpass received was the result of a gasoline tanker fire that was 20 degrees C higher than steel's failure point. The structure would have remained intact with the jet fuel's maximum burning temperature of 315 degrees C which is 225 degrees C lower than steel's More..

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    • @corgi_o_ner
      Of course, you're a 1000% correct

      http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5f1_1339245164&comments=1#comments

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    • @Ruffus, That was an interesting test alright. Some things concerned me about it though.
      The flame pit focused the heat in an upwards column so it wasn't actually a cooler open air flame. An I beam used in building construction evenly supports it's load over it's entire surface. The test girder was weighted in the middle. That enhanced the failure rate considerably.

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    • @corgi_o_ner
      Enhanced the failure rate? With about a million times less weight bearing down on it :@)

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  • ...as expected, here are the conspiracy theorists with their "but...but...but....fuel can't melt steel! [insert some ridiculous pseudo-science here]"

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  • If somoene tried to explain 9/11 with unicorns it'll sound more realistic that this piece of shit evaluation that fuel fires cut trough steel. All the facts are there but you dumbed down sheeple can't seem to accept another perspective on what happened that day and only believe the things your media and government tell you as the truth. Wake up mofo, fuel fires aren't the cuase of WTC collapse, listen to the experts and don't make your own shitty evaluation propaganda bullshit story.

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    • @CrapsOnYou


      You, sir, are the sheep. Have you ever seen the video of burning jet fuel under the same steel beams used in the wtc? they failed in under 2min.

      keep trying..

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    • @Rusty420 You sir are the sheep 94 WTC1 78 WTC2 floors of 47 continuously welded steel columns to go.

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    • @Rusty420. Wrong. The structures they tested didn't fail. Go troll somewhere else.

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    • @CrapsOnYou

      So, you're saying fuel fires *can't* compromise steel?

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    • @CrapsOnYou

      Interesting that you had to manufacture the supposition that fire "cuts through" steel in order to be able to argue against it. Nobody ever said "cuts through". You made that up on your own. What does that say about your argument?

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  • 911 commission said 95% of the fuel was burnt off in the initial blast. Thermal imaging picked up molten pools of metal a week after exceeding the burn temp of jet fuel or combination of fuel and office material. Im not arguing either way but there are better points to put out. IMHO.

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  • Fire does indeed weaken steel!!! How do people think they make it and forge it into the shapes they need?

    However I am always against comparing two different events to prove one, but truthers do this all the time. That is why their argument fails due to the logical fallacies they commit.

    Logic and reasoning was never a strong point for truthers.

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  • May i be so bold as to mention that the wtc were only cored in light steel reinforced concrete the sway and casing was in fact aliminium (check wiki) steel in a building fire will begin to fail at 350 degrees centigrade with deforming well under way at 5-600 degrees, steel is liquid 1500 degrees centigrade.
    Aliminium is liquid at 660 degrees centigrade and loses it's strength depending on its alloy content long before then.
    the aircraft cut the lift columns allowing for a updraught of air also More..

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  • 911 conspiracy theorists are just as bad as the birthers.

    Posted Jun-16-2012 By 

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  • Last time this subject came up, I was attacked by an architect who works in a seven story high siege cubicle, so I better be careful or I will have to dodge more flaming arrows.

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  • "but no b/c jet fuel burns at x degrees and steel melts at x+10000 degrees and I dont know what I'm talking about but I saw it in a video on YT once or five so I know its true...FKYAAAAAHHH!"

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  • except that buildings 1 and 2 were designed specifically to withstand an impact from a plane, and the temperatures of burning jet fuel......

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  • That's a much different fire thought, comparing a smoldering fire vs. an open air blast furnace caused by the fuel truck, that's like a huge blow torch, big difference.

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    • @soyboy

      you call thousands of pounds of jet fuel exploding all at once a "smouldering fire"?

      Wow.

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    • @Ham_Sandwich27 Yes I do, just common sense, if a steel beam is exposed to 5 seconds of fireball that will 100% NOT melt anything. I mean you can pass your hand over an open flame quickly and doesn't even burn your skin, let alone melt thick I beams

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  • with enough heat steel and concrete will fail every time

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  • No matter what is posted on this site minds have already been made up. People either believe in government's story or they dont. You are not going to change anyone's mind with a collasped bridge story, and to compare the two is quite pathetic.

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