An Edmonton high school teacher says he has been suspended for giving students zeros on uncompleted assignments or exams.
Lynden Dorval, a physics teacher at Ross Sheppard High School, has
been giving the mark for work that wasn't handed in or tests not taken
even though it goes against the school's "no-zero" policy. 'It's a way of pushing kids through even though they're not actually doing the work. '—Lynden Dorval, teacherThe
thinking behind the policy is that failing to complete assignments is a
behavioural issue and marks should reflect ability, not behaviour.
Dorval said he couldn't in good conscience comply with the rule.
"I just didn't have a choice," he said. "I just couldn't not do it. I
tried to talk myself out of it many times, but it was just something so
important to me, I just had to go through with it."
The policy was adopted by the school 1½ years ago, Dorval said.
Students' mark based on completed workTeachers were told to no longer give zeros. Instead an uncompleted test or assignment would be marked with a comment.
The student's mark would then be based on whatever work is done.
Student reaction to suspension"He shouldn't even be teaching anymore. If he wants to hand out zeros, he should be doing some other job — not a teacher."
—Ryan Grouette, Grade 10
"If students show up they deserve a minimum mark. A zero seems a bit extreme."
—Cindy Smith, Grade 11
"I think he should be allowed to teach. He's a good teacher from what I hear."
—Cassandra Gregory, Grade 12
"It's what they call social promotion," Dorval said "It's a way of
pushing kids through even though they're not actually doing the work.
It's a way of getting them through, getting their credits and of course
making the staff look very good."
Teachers were instructed to use their "informed professional judgement" at the end of the year when handing out marks, he said.
"Some would, in fact, lower the mark on what wasn't done," Dorval
said. "Other teachers would just let the mark go, so there was a real
inconsistency on how (the policy) was being applied."
Dorval believes the policy leaves students with the impression they don't need to be accountable for their actions, he said.
'Student should be accountable'"That's
against what I've been doing my whole career because I believe the
student should be accountable for what they're doing."
Dorval said he always gave uncompleted work what is called "reluctant
zeros," where his students were given a number of opportunities to make
up the assignment and have the zero replaced with a mark.
"Most of my students did that," he said. "By the end of the year, I hardly had any zeros at all."
He does recall however, one student who had only completed six of 15 items.
Parents are largely unaware of the policy, as teachers were instructed not to speak about it, he said.
Other schools in the Edmonton public system also use no-zero marking, he said.
Schools as far away as Ontario and Texas had also adopted, but later abandoned the philosophy.
Most teachers support him, Dorval saysDorval was suspended earlier this month and is no longer allowed on school property.
But he said most teachers at the school support him and are envious that he can afford to take a stand.
"I have 35 years. I don't really want to retire now, but if I have to, I can retire and live on my pension.
He accepts by going public he will likely be fired.
"To me this is the right thing," he said. "It had to be done."
The Edmonton Public Schools said Dorval was not suspended over the zero grade policy.
"The
situation is far more serious and complex," it said on its facebook
site. "This is a staff discipline issue and we can’t speak to the
specifics of this individual case."The
School Act authorizes suspensions for only three reasons: if there are
reasonable grounds for believing the teacher has been guilty of gross
misconduct, neglecting the teacher’s duty or neglecting to obey a lawful
order of the board."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2012/05/31/edmonton-teacher-zeros-sheppard.html
By: Hiarken
In: Regional News
Tags: Education
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (load item map)
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How the fuck did we get to a place where people actually try and defend a "No-Zero" policy?
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
Posted May-31-2012 Bywharris (2243.22) 
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I agree with the teacher, it's pushing them though. The teacher should have graded them .00000009 instead, it's greater then zero.
Posted May-31-2012 Byyoshiegg2000 (88.20) 
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@yoshiegg2000 My thoughts exactly.
Posted May-31-2012 ByMrakulous (85.48) 
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My father once told me that if his homework had ink stain on it (they used fountain pen and ink bottle at the time) they had a zero...Seems extreme. Nowadays you don't do it and can't get a zero... Where are we heading?
Posted May-31-2012 ByDavaeron (165.48) 
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@randir14 It wasn't a kid who pushed for it, it was some liberal bitch pushing her "no one left behind" bullshit. The kids are now taking advantage of it. Have to give them a little credit for cleverly exploiting our over the top political correctness though.
Posted May-31-2012 BySinglecoilsnap (615.50) 
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The education system is going so far out in the Liberal left field ideology it's scary. Some of the shit I've been told just makes me shake my head. It's just not politically correct to give a student a failing grade & heaven forbid anyone actually getting Zero on an assignment. There considerably more idiotic's. But I'll keep them to myself for now.
Posted May-31-2012 ByRuffus (4300.24) 
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I completely agree with this teacher.
If the kids are lazy and don't want to do a damn thing, let them get zeros.
Let that be a lesson of a swift kick in the ass to put in work and reap the benefits.
I'm tired of these systems of "social promotion" its a like a fucking kids soccer or baseball game where they don't keep score and everybody wins.
Sorry people the world DOESN'T work like that !
Students shouldn't pass if they don't do the work.
Because if you don't put in the work w More..
Posted May-31-2012 Bymylostsoul (736.24) 
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Everyone is entitled to a passing grade.
Trophies for 12th place
How is this culture working out for you people?
Posted May-31-2012 ByMoore Slayer (2011.74) 
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@Moore Slayer Most kids are about as bright as Ralph Wiggum.
Posted May-31-2012 BySinglecoilsnap (615.50) 
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@Singlecoilsnap "my cat's breath smells like cat food" "I bent my wookie."
Bushes are nice 'cause they don't have prickers. Unless they do. This one did. Ouch!
http://www.snpp.com/guides/ralph.file.html
Posted May-31-2012 ByAariss (381.82) 
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@Singlecoilsnap I taste colors!
Posted May-31-2012 ByTheEvilDead (414.40) 
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@Moore Slayer
Haha
The "participation trophy" generation.
Posted May-31-2012 Bychauncie (191.80) 
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Hope this guy comes out on top. This form of teaching is only training dependency.
Posted May-31-2012 BySoDip (401.38) 
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Disgraceful. How can you give anything other than a zero for uncompleted work?!
Posted May-31-2012 Bydorbie (2526.90) dorbie View Channel Send Message
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I'm with the teacher on this one. The new generations are getting softer and softer and expect the world handed to them.
Tough love gets results!
Posted May-31-2012 ByLikejuice (20.80) 
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if you don't have the ability to behave and finish your assignment, then you get zero
"The student's mark would then be based on whatever work is done." so do 1 assignment perfectly and you get 100 in the class?
Gone are to good old days of well behaved bright kids that are going to run our world.. Now are the days of spoiled piles of shit who think they are handed everything. And people wonder why i don't want to live past 50...
Posted May-31-2012 ByAariss (381.82) 
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@Aariss you fail common sense.
Posted May-31-2012 Bywharris (2243.22) 
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@Aariss the bright kids of the super rich will be sent to private schools, which probably far outdo public schools
Posted Jun-1-2012 Byjohn_b (359.38) 
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@john_b yeah.. look how that is working out. Unfortunately this is the class that will make up our work force! The part that actually drives the country!
Posted Jun-1-2012 ByAariss (381.82) 
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No zero policy? Way to prepare the youth for the real world you fucking idiots. Try only doing part of your job and see what a real zero means when its the balance your bank account after you lose your job. Liberalism is a cancer.
Posted May-31-2012 ByTheEvilDead (414.40) 
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well those kids are in for a shock when they get to college
Posted May-31-2012 Bydietcokesucks (870.00) 
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well those kids are in for a shock when they have to go to work.
Posted May-31-2012 Bylostonthebeach (3243.54) 
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@dietcokesucks Yep.. I hope they stay up there where they can buy their degrees instead of infect out American schools..
Although, they probably can't get admitted into American schools..still need to take SAT or some test to prove your not a big dumbass...
Lol fail
Posted May-31-2012 ByXyBerFuNK (1194.80) 
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@lostonthebeach i honestly find work much relaxed compared to college, but i did do engineering, i don't know how it is for other professions
Posted May-31-2012 Bydietcokesucks (870.00) 
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@XyBerFuNK Yep we'll stay up here and continue being retarted Canadians. Maybe take a look at who placed first for the most educated countries in the world. Oh and then check to see why every first world country sends their kids to school in Canada. Also a multi billion dollar industry. Then you can call us retards, retard.
Posted May-31-2012 Bytreday (469.40) 
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@treday Lay off the "My country is the best in the world" garbage.
Posted Jun-1-2012 Byjohn_b (359.38) 
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We're seeing now what happens when the "something for nothing" or "participation trophy" generation reach adulthood - occupy this and that, anti-everything, anti-working for your living, anti-tuition fees etc etc. There's no way he should have been suspended for giving nothing for nothing.
Posted May-31-2012 ByHam_Sandwich27 (649.40) 
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There was a professor in my university who actually gave a student a negative grade.... cant exactly remember his reasoning but at the time his reasoning made perfect made sense... I totally agree with this policy because students dont realize them when they reach university ....
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