By james321Follow
Imagine telling AT&T you're done with dropped calls, or telling
T-Mobile you're done with slow data. Yes, elections matter, and the FCC is proposing something spectacular for Americans...assuming that shitting-their-pants mobile phone operators don't kill the mammoth proposal:
The federal government wants to create super WiFi networks
across the nation, so powerful and broad in reach that consumers could
use them to make calls or surf the Internet without paying a cellphone
bill every month.
The proposal from the Federal Communications Commission has rattled
the $178 billion wireless industry, which has launched a fierce lobbying
effort to persuade policymakers to reconsider the idea, analysts say.
That has been countered by an equally intense campaign from Google,
Microsoft and other tech giants who say a free-for-all WiFi service
would spark an explosion of innovations and devices that would benefit
most Americans, especially the poor.
The airwaves that FCC officials want to hand over to the public would
be much more powerful than existing WiFi networks that have become
common in households. They could penetrate thick concrete walls and
travel over hills and around trees. If all goes as planned, free access
to the Web would be available in just about every metropolitan area and
in many rural areas.
Think about it -- how often do you actually use your smartphone to make
phone calls or texts now anyway? For many folks, particularly the
younger set, smartphones are about data, data, and data. They use Skype
to make calls, Whatsapp to send texts, and Facebook to stay in touch --
all on data. This is why the likes of AT&T now force Americans to
purchase unlimited texts and phone minutes -- or otherwise face
outrageous per-text or per-minute fees -- because the wireless companies
realize that Americans are really carrying around small computers in
this day and age -- the 'phone' is only an inconsequential 'app' at the
bottom of your screen.
This is a Big Ducking Deal, folks:
The new WiFi networks would also have much farther reach,
allowing for a driverless car to communicate with another vehicle a mile
away or a patient’s heart monitor to connect to a hospital on the other
side of town.
If approved by the FCC, the free networks would still take several
years to set up. And, with no one actively managing them, connections
could easily become jammed in major cities. But public WiFi could allow
many consumers to make free calls from their mobile phones via the
Internet. The frugal-minded could even use the service in their homes,
allowing them to cut off expensive Internet bills.
“For a casual user of the Web, perhaps this could replace carrier
service,” said Jeffrey Silva, an analyst at the Medley Global Advisors
research firm. “Because it is more plentiful and there is no price tag,
it could have a real appeal to some people.”
Unsurprisingly, this is a policy move that would benefit both the
wealthiest Silicon Valley tech entrepreneurs and the poorest individuals
in America's cities and rural areas:
Designed by FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski, the plan would
be a global first. When the U.S. government made a limited amount of
unlicensed airwaves available in 1985, an unexpected explosion in
innovation followed. Baby monitors, garage door openers and wireless
stage microphones were created. Millions of homes now run their own
wireless networks, connecting tablets, game consoles, kitchen
appliances and security systems to the Internet.
“Freeing up unlicensed spectrum is a vibrantly free-market approach
that offers low barriers to entry to innovators developing the
technologies of the future and benefits consumers,” Genachowski said in
a an e-mailed statement.
Some companies and cities are already moving in this direction.
Google is providing free WiFi to the public in the Chelsea neighborhood
of Manhattan and parts of Silicon Valley.
Cities support the idea because the networks would lower costs for
schools and businesses or help vacationers easily find tourist spots.
Consumer advocates note the benefits to the poor, who often cannot
afford high cellphone and Internet bills.
This is a policy that could transform American competitiveness and
create thousands of new jobs, as well as diminishing the burden of
outrageous wireless phone bills on poor Americans. Waiting for the GOP
to cry 'socialism' in 3,2,1...
11:07 AM PT: Email the Commissioners to Express Support for the Proposal:
Chairman Julius Genachowski: Julius.Genachowski@fcc.gov
Commissioner Robert McDowell: Robert.McDowell@fcc.gov
Commissioner Mignon Clyburn: Mignon.Clyburn@fcc.gov
Commissioner Jessica Rosenworcel: Jessica.Rosenworcel@fcc.gov
Commissioner Ajit Pai: Ajit.Pai@fcc.gov
By: dcmfox
In: Other News
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Dear America
1. There is no such thing as free. If the money doesn't come out of your front pocket, it will be taken from the one on the back.
2. The free market can do this for less than half the cost of your nanny state government. The government couldn't organize a one hole shithouse, let alone a national wi-fi network.
Love,
Maddog
Posted Feb-4-2013 Bymaddog2681 (95.10) 
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Fuckin A' Right
Posted Feb-4-2013 ByBrondo25 (118.80) 
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Why hasn't the free market done it then?
Posted Feb-4-2013 Byfishdontfeelpain (92.50) 
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@fishdontfeelpain Just because you think that you should have something for nothing doesn't mean hard-working and motivated captains of industry are going to give it to you. They figure if you don't want it, someone with money will be happy to pay them for it. That's the way it works. There is no free ride. Even welfare is funded by somebody who had to work for a living and pay taxes, even if the recipient can't be bothered.
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You didn't answer the question.
You said the free market can do the same thing for half the price. Where is it? Why isn't it?
Posted Feb-4-2013 Byfishdontfeelpain (92.50) 
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@fishdontfeelpain If you think I didn't answer the question then you are blind. Or you don't know the definition of 'free market'.
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Hmm, maybe I'm a bit cynical, but it seems like this would be an excellent way for big brother to keep tabs on just what everyone does online. No more having to ask providers for logs of user activity. No more obtaining warrants. All the data big brother could want right at their fingertips.
Oh yeah, and who's going to pay for it? I don't want to contribute any more of my hard earned money to a bunch of worthless SOBs who refuse to get a job, because their savior keeps giving them free More..
Posted Feb-4-2013 Bytsmith (262.70) 
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@tsmith The great communist socialist states of america.
Posted Feb-4-2013 ByEmrysM (1846.36) 
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Yep. What you said. I expect the argument will be framed in the support of the poor and "the children." Hell, everything else is.
Posted Feb-4-2013 Bycopperdog3 (1036.74) 
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This is done on a small scale, now. I can think of a few cities that have free city-wide wifi.
Keep in mind, a lot of the cost of wifi isn't in physically maintaining the network, it's in accounting for shareholder profit expectations.
My only worry would be that it would be a government connection. You can see potential privacy issues stemming from that, I imagine.
If this happens, it would be the next big step in the information age.
Posted Feb-4-2013 Byjum_runky (1528.34) 
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It would be a big step right over the edge.
Posted Feb-4-2013 Bycopperdog3 (1036.74) 
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Sounds like an outstanding way to track the position of every single citizen (and illegal) AND note what they look at and for how long. It also smacks of the socialization of internet access. Sure makes the flipping of a single switch to shut down the 'net much easier. No wonder dcmfox (and friends) would support such a proposition.
Question: The damn feds can't deliver a water bill and break even. Does anyone think they can pull this off?
I call on all LLers to utilize the very list More..
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I disagree. The internet was created from tax dollars. Why should these "providers" be able to rape us month after month.
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Rape? Are you effing serious?!? If you have a mobile phone, you are a willing participant. Toss if off a bridge if you don't like it. Welcome to the free market. Its what built that nifty 4G network you enjoy right about now.
Oh, and I noticed that you fully ignored that fact that those "tax dollars" that invented the internet were in reality defense spending. It was the need for redundant, resilient communications that facilitated the invention of the internet in th More..
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Fuck you and your condescending reply. Tax dollars are tax dollars.
Much of the R&D is done at the college level.
I don't really like just handing it over to private companies to get you for more money when we should get something back for the monies already spent.
And you wanted to be on my IM list, perfect example of why you aren't prick.
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Yeah, I thought I might open a channel for dialogue between you and me. I try as much as I can to appreciate the opinions of those that disagree with me. Just ask Zardoz. You said your IM list was reserved solely those that thought the way you did, your friends and those that "could help you." I can post the actual response if you want to deny it. So stop crying a bitching to me. Go tell it to your IM list. I'm sure they commiserate with you.
Now, back to the point. More..
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And another thought:
"Much of the R&D is done at the college level."
Really? With who's money? Kinda convenient for the government that wants to control the future of R&D, no? You might have noticed that a great deal of the technology you enjoy now was the result of profit-minded corporations finding all kinds of neat tech gizmos on which you could spend your money. Read any university grant requests worried about future monetization and profitability?
Wh More..
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Sounds Waaaaay Sketchy!
Posted Feb-4-2013 ByMetalDrummer (23.68) 
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Of course, so they can monitor and turn on and off at their own discretion.
Posted Feb-4-2013 ByArduous (89.28) 
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Govt controled WiFi, what could go wrong?
Posted Feb-4-2013 ByBrondo25 (118.80) 
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Heavily encrypted VPNs they can't break for years to come?
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Government controlled satellites, so our GPS will work? Oh, yeah, we already have that for free.
The government controls our paid internet already. They spy on us, regulate us and tell us what we can and cannot download.
Posted Feb-4-2013 ByRhemis (974.48) 
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Oh, yeah, there's a lib using the "free" word again. Anyone surprised? I never cease to be amazed how some libs can make the ridiculous proposition that the feds control something like the 'net at the same time they cannot deliver the mail without major inefficiency and losses.
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So why is the post office losing money? It never has until 2006/
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LOL. Are you suggesting that something OUTSIDE the feds' control is making them lose nine dollars for delivering your water bill?
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Wouldn't this kill many jobs?
Posted Feb-4-2013 Byfredean01 (66.00) 
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@fredean01 You would think so. But, on the other hand, at least some new jobs would have to be created to install and maintain the system. I still don't like the idea though. I don't want big brother in my life any more than he already is.
Posted Feb-4-2013 Bytsmith (262.70) 
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@fredean01 awesome ava....just watched the real TOTAL RECALL 2 nights ago.
Posted Feb-4-2013 ByFahstahoahn (312.00) 
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Just like the FREE Obama Phone we will have FREE Obama Net!
It's FREE, it's FREE. Bull shit!
Posted Feb-4-2013 Bytomsack (107.20) 
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This would kill the telecommunications industry and make insecure public communications.
Posted Feb-4-2013 ByUSA1 (3680.74) 
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@USA1 You raise an interesting point -- the communication network is already insecure because the government is listening in at all times.
Maybe proposing a "free" network does an end run around having to push companies around to get the tap into your datafeed when they would just have it all up front.
Posted Feb-4-2013 BySaros (796.40) 
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Yeah, definitely sounds good at first glance, but as others are saying, it's something that should be approached with hesitation.
Of course no one likes mobile providers, but at the same time, should we trust a government that already wants to see all the porn we look at to run everyones everyone's internet service? And furthermore, it would be that much more easy for them to shut things down in the event of unpleasant information leaking.
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There are reasons why some, not as a cohesive whole, in government have started this ball rolling. If you'd like to hear about it I'll try and explain. But it's a little complex and the post might be a little long.
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I'm open for any potential education.
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Oops bedtime, so here is the short of it.
Everything in this article is mostly true, some exaggeration in the network capability. But the other talking points are true as claimed.
What's not mentioned is that the ones pushing this "agenda", sounds nefarious heh, are much the same ones who push legislation like SOPA and PIPA etc...
The ones that civil liberties organizations are always harping against over "net neutrality" or "internet freedom" More..
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Oh great, Obama-Fi...
Posted Feb-4-2013 ByNinja_SBD (308.30) 
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I'll be highly pissed if there are no more Carly Foulkes commercials (the T-Mobile girl).
Posted Feb-4-2013 Byjoe prole (1637.30) 
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@joe prole good point...don't fuck with that (but with her :D)
Posted Feb-4-2013 Bydennix (295.50) 
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OF COURSE THEY WANNA GIVE YOU THIS! IF THEY CONTROL INTERNET, THEY CONTROL EVERYTHING YOU SAY OR DO ON IT AS WELL!. FOOLS!
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yes!! free internet from the government!!! Let's take all the compition out of it.......cause that'll make it work better. Cell phone/Internet technology has made leaps and bound because companies fight for our business!!!!!!!! You take that away...we will all end up with the same shitty service and over paid gov't workers making tripple time/hr slowing making thier way to a cell tower to fix it..
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