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As everyone knows, there are strong and differing opinions on current laws involving drugs ( alcohol included ). The views are all over the place with massive pros and cons that stick out on either side, from decriminalization, prohibition, legalization and regulation -- all choices have pros and cons.
Prohibition clearly does not stop drug use, it funds violent cartels of South and Central America, "terrorist" group linked Opium and Hashish farmers in the middle east and puts utterly massive amounts of people behind bars in this country every year. Is it really worth it to just have the legislation in place to support our notion that drugs are morally bad? Is there a more sensible option than prohibition? Are we losing the ethereal "War on Drugs"?
Some would argue that decriminalization may greatly decrease the amount of money being given to other countries, violent gangs and greatly reduce the population of our prisons. As well as allow people to make their own decision about what to do with their body. This sounds very appealing but it could be argued that decriminalization may fuel Americas appetite for drugs even more and make it easier for everyone, including minors to get their hands on drugs.
Legalization and regulation is another tempting proposition, it could allow all drugs to be similar to alcohol, the ability to buy drugs that are uncut and of standardized quality would prevent some deaths associated with drugs as well as keep people out of prison and out of harms way looking for drugs on the street. However, just like decriminalization, this may fuel our appetite for drugs and would it really be OK to sell heroin to a first time user inside of a government licensed drug store? Would this system be to easily exploited?
Are some drugs just to inherently dangerous to be anything but banned? Should some drugs be legalized, some decriminalized? Should we keep the system as it is and continue with our war on drugs?
You decide, you discuss. What is your opinion on drug legislation?
Below is my view:
Me, personally, Lucidx1. I believe that some drugs should be decriminalized to prevent money flow to warring cartels and middle eastern islamic drug traffickers. Throughout my life I have used many drugs and am actually a former methamphetamine addict. I believe some drugs should not be messed with but I do not know a proper way to legislate them.
I will start off by saying I think hallucinogenic drugs that pose little physical harm, like LSD, Mescaline, Shrooms, Tryptamines, Substituted Phens and many various others should all be decriminalized as they are mostly harmless and if good education and debunking of the myths surrounding psychedelic drugs was put in place at school it would prevent unfair stigmatization and uneducated and dangerous use.
I think that marijuana poses some danger, in some ways especially in the form of DUI hazard and it should be legalized for medical and recreational use, available from government vendors and taxed, but instead of being sold openly, one should lose their privileged to use the legal services if caught driving under the influence of it.
I believe that harder, more dangerous drugs, ones that pose threats of immediate physical harm, such as methamphetamine, opiates, cocaine and various other stimulants should be available legally from a registered clinic of distribution to people who can prove they are addicted to the substances and submit to entering a rehabilitation program paid for by the tax revenue of the medical marijuana industry. I say this because I have seen first hand the effects of hard drug addiction in myself and my family and I believe that if these drugs were decriminalized alongside the poor quality of drug education in the USA there would be more casualties. I think that education, help and support would be the best way to deal with these drugs.
This is just an overview of my views to anyone who was interested. I am curious to see what your views may be!
By: lucidx1
In: Your Say
Tags: drugs, decriminalization, regulation, prohibition, war on drugs, drug war, cartels, middle east, heroin, meth, marijuana, industry, rehab, system
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Decriminalize it all. You cant tell people what they can and cant put in their bodies. If someone wants to get fucked up, theyll get fucked up.
Drug prices will lower due to less risk involved, meaning less profits, less dealers, less cartels, less drugs.
Leave it to responsible parents to teach their children about the dangers of drugs, and intoxication.
If someone gets high and dies, fuck em'. Thats natures way of killing off retards. Natural selection at its finest.
Posted Jul-26-2012 By8fl0z (92.20) 
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I know very few people who know anything about drugs, leaving the education to the parents is like leaving a firearm to a child.
There could be utterly MASSIVE amounts of tax revenue from regulation and legalization which is why I support that over decriminalization. Also deaths would lower due to standardization of drug potency, there would be better education on drugs and better help for people with addictions. If you didn't and wanna hear my spiel about that, read the last long para More..
Posted Jul-26-2012 Bylucidx1 (988.90) 
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@8fl0z WELL SAID!!!!!! plus !
Posted Jul-26-2012 Byfuchajen (4768.64) 
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@lucidx1 Like i said, thats natures way of killing of stupid humans/animals.
I really dont care about a tax revenue, because that revenue wont even benefit us ._. itll just go on to further line the pockets of the global elite, putting us further into debt.
Decriminalization is the way to go. Our prison systems would be freed up, less kids would be trying drugs, because it wouldnt be as taboo, the risk would be smaller, it wouldnt be any fun, it wouldnt be cool anymore. And with less people p More..
Posted Jul-26-2012 By8fl0z (92.20) 
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Marijuana is 100% safer for society than alcohol, hands down fact.
Therefor it should be legal....
And believe it or not, pot dealers and growers are split.... some actually want it to remain illegal, so their profits remain the same. If its legalized, the growers now will lose tons of money.
For all other drugs, I believe we should follow what Portugal has done. They have decriminalized ALL DRUGS, and used the taxes on drugs to pay for treatment of addicts (instead of tax payers, the drug More..
Posted Jul-26-2012 Byqwerty4242 (1261.80) qwerty4242 View Channel Send Message
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Legalize the shit and your crime rate drops including usage.
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/use-portugals-model-for-decriminalizing-drugs/question-2811701/
Posted Jul-26-2012 ByMrShueArie (1304.40) 
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@MrShueArie then theyll tax the shit out of pot :( i dont want my weed to get more expensive, buying a bag is costly enough...good thing harvest is coming soon :)
Posted Jul-26-2012 By8fl0z (92.20) 
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@8fl0z That's bogus. An ounce of weed does not even cost $50 if you grow it right.... throw in a tax of $50 per ounce (with materials and labor added in even), thats only $100 with the tax, $150-200 with profit for the grower added on.....
thats about the same cost as it is now in most legal areas (check on weedmaps.com for many US legal state list of goods).
Some places are still charging 300-400 an O, and the dumbasses are still paying it!
Believe me, if it was legal the prices would dro More..
Posted Jul-26-2012 Byqwerty4242 (1261.80) qwerty4242 View Channel Send Message
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It is morally indefensible to punish people for using any drug. It is a vile and disgusting attitude to human beings. I know that many drugs ought not to be used, because they are very dangerous, but that does not give anybody else the right to brutalize you and throw you in a dungeon for wanting to take the risk. It should not be in the hands of law enforcement at all. Well. To a point perhaps. As for sale in stores, regulation is probably a good idea. Age limits and such, just to lower the ris More..
Posted Jul-26-2012 Bywellybub (353.68) 
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@wellybub Most people who end up in jail , do not end up there from experimenting with one drug or another, they are there because they abuse the usage and break other laws, like stealing shit to support their habit . Speeders don't get a ticket the 1st time they speed , they do it numerous times and one day they get busted..that's just the way it is. A drug user doesn't get busted for driving under the influence that once, or stealing that once or committing that crime that 1st time , he gets More..
Posted Jul-27-2012 Bysoilentgreene (815.60) 
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if it grows, then cool
if it requires complex synthetic chemical bonding, not so cool
Posted Jul-26-2012 Byaltai8008 (236.20) 
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So morphine is fine with you but LSD isn't?
Posted Jul-26-2012 Bylucidx1 (988.90) 
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@lucidx1 I agree with altai, and I know both of those (Morphine and LSD) are quite horrible for your brain. LSD is okay in small doses, but huge doses over long periods of time will ruin your brain.
"Everything in moderation"... never forget, Some substances that are natural can kill you as well, so just because is natural does not always mean its safe for you to consume..... but cannabis has been used as a healing herb for over 500 years, on a daily basis, by tons of people..... noth More..
Posted Jul-26-2012 Byqwerty4242 (1261.80) qwerty4242 View Channel Send Message
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This is the problem with modern society, you all know nothing about drugs.
Marijuana has been used recreationally and medicinally since well into BC, LSD is not damaging to your brain and its recreational dosage to harmful dosage ratio is higher than with any other drug. No one takes "huge doses of LSD over long periods of time" it's nearly impossible to trip on LSD two days in a row because of immediate tolerance. What you hear about LSD is myth.
Morphine is highly add More..
Posted Jul-26-2012 Bylucidx1 (988.90) 
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@lucidx1 I know nothing about drugs???? ahaha, everything I just said was a fact buddy, do your research and quit acting like you are a know it all compared to everyone here.
LSD is safe somewhat, but it can be REALLY bad in long term, high dose usage.
Plus there has been cases of LSD causing death.. here is an example on an ELEPHANT!
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_history4.shtml
And don't even get me started on 420, lololol no comment
Posted Jul-26-2012 Byqwerty4242 (1261.80) qwerty4242 View Channel Send Message
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No trust me, you're very incorrect. People have taken far over 1,000 times the normal dosage of LSD and suffered no ill effects. Look up "thumbprinting". The is no long term high dosage use of LSD in a common human being, the only ill effect of that however would be potential psychological side effects.
Posted Jul-26-2012 Bylucidx1 (988.90) 
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Sending people to jail for having some pot or mdma is beyond criminal imo
Posted Jul-26-2012 Bybazeret2 (228.56) 
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The war on drugs has cost 20,000 lives in Mexico this year alone. It is a failure. Decriminalize, regulate it and tax it. Treat those that ASK for help. If people are so weak that they die by drugs then so be it. Survival of the fittest.
Prohibition has never worked.
Posted Jul-26-2012 By-stile- (704.70) 
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@-stile- It has worked for PORTUGAL, they did exactly that and even the government themself admits the system has worked!
Posted Jul-26-2012 Byqwerty4242 (1261.80) qwerty4242 View Channel Send Message
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It's too big a topic to discuss in such a small comment box, but generally my view on this, if users are not hurting anyone or creating problems for society, they can still work and contribute, then I have no problem with drugs being legalized.
Posted Jul-26-2012 ByDeparted (128.30) 
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Portugal decriminalized, and started treating drug addiction as a disease instead of a criminal offense - and saw a large drop in use of drugs.
Let's hope the world notices.
Posted Jul-29-2012 Byhellgremlin (763.22) hellgremlin Send Message
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@T0M65 The prisons must be kept stuffed full of non-violent potheads to make a profit! All hail the land of the free!
Posted Jul-26-2012 Byhellgremlin (763.22) hellgremlin Send Message
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be a consenting adult and make your own cognitive decisions.
Posted Jul-26-2012 ByCaptainPORKhead (505.26) CaptainPORKhead View Channel Send Message
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Although certain drugs may cause mental health problems. From what i know ,its the crap they cut it with thats the main problem.Lets face facts you cant ban anything,if people want it,they will get it.There will always be people willing to supply it.
Posted Jul-26-2012 Bydrivenwell2 (605.72) drivenwell2 View Channel Send Message
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You nailed it pritty much for me,sounds like a good thing using "weed tax" to pay for harder drug recovery/detox.
Posted Jul-26-2012 ByUnpossible (1344.00) 
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I thought that was a pretty good idea too. I remember it randomly coming up in a discussion with a friend a while ago, I can't think of much wrong with it because this way, the people who don't want to have their money put to use paying for rehabilitation of others won't need to but it will still be well funded without the need for donation support.
Posted Jul-27-2012 Bylucidx1 (988.90) 
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@lucidx1 couldn't agree more, but you're discounting big pharma and the alcohol industry fighting it every step of the way with $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Posted Jul-28-2012 By2DLISH2QUIT (2323.80) 2DLISH2QUIT View Channel Send Message
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We also need reform on lobbying as in make lobbying an offense punishable with exile lol. Businesses should not be allowed to be involved in politics and then that wouldn't be a problem.
Posted Jul-28-2012 Bylucidx1 (988.90) 
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Well said Friend!
Posted Jul-28-2012 Bypchart7 (294.22) 
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Never had issues driving on weed. Never went out of control on weed. Never had trouble on weed. Never felt bad on weed and off it again.
Never understood why this is considered a drug.
Alcohol really messes me up pretty quick.
Posted Jul-26-2012 ByDeltaEpsilon (571.52) DeltaEpsilon View Channel Send Message
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I don't mean to sound like an asshole but I really do have a friend who got into a fatal car accident driving under the influence of marijuana. I think that DUIs should have MUCH harsher penalties especially in the USA and that driving under the influence of any drug other than... caffeine should be highly illegal. It's endangerment of other people in its purest form. Even if you are "good to drive".
Posted Jul-26-2012 Bylucidx1 (988.90) 
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@DeltaEpsilon Same here, drivin tens of thousands of miles on brownies and hash, not a single accident and I drive 4-5 hours at a time! It makes me more paranoid, and hence, a BETTER DRIVER. I lose barely no focus, since I have experience with the stuff for quite some time, and know for sure how it affects me.
Posted Jul-26-2012 Byqwerty4242 (1261.80) qwerty4242 View Channel Send Message
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@lucidx1 you just screwed the pooch, trying to blame your friend's crash on pot.. the Gov.'s own studies have proven that if ANYTHING, potsmokers drive more slowly and more carefully,when high than the same drivers do, cold-stone sober!
That's low, man, given the KNOWN alcohol-caused crash rates!
Posted Jul-27-2012 Bynexus1961 (443.54) 
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Well personally I have smoked quite a bit of marijuana in my past and I can say I would NOT trust myself or anyone else to drive in that condition. When you're so stoned that it feels like your body is ten seconds behind your mind... I cannot imagine trying to drive in that condition.
I'm confident marijuana WAS to blame in his accident, he was normally a pretty good driver but hit a tree going nearly double the speed limit. Alcohol was not involved.
I know alcohol causes tons of More..
Posted Jul-27-2012 Bylucidx1 (988.90) 
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@nexus1961
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20051201/marijuana-raises-risk-of-fatal-car-crash
http://www.drugfree.org/join-together/drugs/driving-under-the-influence-of-marijuana-raises-motor-vehicle-crash-risk-study-finds
The governments statistics mention that marijuana MAY not contribute significantly to the number of cases of vehicular manslaughter, it doesn't mean it doesn't, it just means that alcohol has more detrimental effect on driving.
I'm sure you read somewhere on erowid More..
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