by Tommy Christopher
4:19 pm, August 15th, 2012On Tuesday, CNN anchor Soledad O’Brien absolutely nailed Romney campaign surrogate John Sununu over the campaign’s outrageous lies about Medicare, then added a gratuitous double-tap today, and was called “biased” for her trouble. However, a Fox News anchor earned rare praise on MSNBC’s air for similarly nailing VP pick Paul Ryan, and no one is about to claim Brit Hume is in the tank for President Obama.
Even for the Romney campaign, their attack on President Obama for
“cutting” $716 billion from Medicare is ballsier than the dumpster at a
golf course. They have been accusing the President of alternately
“raiding,” “cutting,” and “stealing” hundreds of billions from Medicare, when in reality, the President achieved savings
in Medicare by eliminating subsidies and negotiating rate reductions
from medical providers, while actually increasing benefits to Medicare
recipients.
But that’s not the ballsiest part. Romney and Ryan (and Reince) have
been going around making this charge even though the famous Paul Ryan
budget plan uses those exact savings, or “cuts,” or “stuff Obama stole,”
or whatever you want to call it. This attack is akin to slamming
someone for taking candy from a baby, even as you roll out a plan to
keep the candy, and cut the baby open to look for more candy.
Soledad O’Brien did a great job of dismantling this lie on Tuesday morning’s Starting Point, and was accused of bias by John Sununu (and by Noah Rothman on this site), but she backed it up with a fact-check and another several rounds with Romney campaign surrogate Tim Pawlenty.
Despite having the facts on her side, though, blind partisans can still
pretend the truth isn’t the truth by covering their eyes and ears, and
chanting “bias!”
That’s a tougher trick to pull on Fox News’ Brit Hume, who drew praise from MSNBC political analyst Howard Fineman on Tuesday night’s The Ed Show for his dogged questioning of Romney running mate Paul Ryan on the issue of the Medicare savings. Host Ed Schultz
introduced the clip, in which Hume asks Ryan “Doesn’t your budget
contemplate major savings on Medicare on something of the same amount
(as the President’s)?”
Ryan tried his first bit of sophistry, responding (emphasis mine)
“Only President Obama raids $716 billion from the Medicare program, cut
$716 billion from the Medicare program to pay for Obamacare. We don’t do that.”
See what he did there? The Ryan budget uses the same savings, but spends it on tax cuts for Mitt Romney and friends.
Hume was too sharp, though, and pressed him, asking “You make savings, how much?”
Ryan parried with The Subject Change. After a pause, he said “I
joined the Romney ticket. What Mitt Romney is proposing to do is repeal
all of Obamacare.”
Hume kept advancing on Ryan like a hockey-masked killer. “You’re not
saying, though, that you don’t contemplate in your budget plan
significant savings in Medicare, are you?”
Here’s Paul Ryan’s really long way of saying yes: “We can get into
the complicated baseline issues, but that’s the current law. We keep
with the current law in our budget.”
The exchange not only exposed the emptiness of the Romney Medicare
lie, it exposed Paul Ryan as a really bad liar, and since Brit Hume
isn’t on the conservative enemies list that includes every non-Fox
journalist, it’s inescapable.
Schultz asked Fineman “Can he (Ryan) continue the dodge the question all the way to November on this?”
“No,” Fineman replied, “and I think Brit Hume is a terrific
questioner, by the way, I’ll tip my hat to him there. Brit knew exactly
what he was asking about, and Paul Ryan was dodging and filling like
crazy. And the fact is that the Ryan/Romney budget proposal on health
care does the same thing. It contemplates about the same amount of
savings in more efficient programs and so forth that obama care does.
It’s exactly the same thing. So they now have an ad — the Republicans
have an ad out attacking the President for doing exactly what the
Romney/Ryan budget does. And there’s no other way around it, and Brit
had him dead to rights on that.”
It’s almost enough to make you feel sorry for the Romney/Ryan ticket,
except there’s a really simple way they could make this go away: stop
running ads lying about Medicare.
There was a slightly ominous development later in the show. At the
end of this segment, Schultz offered one of his patented text message
polls, this one asking if the Romney/Ryan Medicare lies would work.
While the results of Ed’s polls are usually in the 95%-5% range, this
poll resulted in 82% of Ed Show viewers saying it wouldn’t work, and a
whopping (relatively speaking) 18% saying it would. It appears that Ed
Show viewers aren’t optimistic about the truth sinking in.http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-brit-hume-praised-on-msnbc-for-exposing-paul-ryans-medicare-lie/
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I swear, you liberals live in a parallel universe. How two people can listen to the same byte and hear completly different things is just amazing.
Soledad was exposed for relying on left wing blogs, while Sununu just tore her a new one. My favorite line was, "Why don't you stick an Obama bumpersticker on your forehead while you're doing this"
Here's Obama admitting he gutted Medicare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=t5Ha7RNpn24
Posted Aug-15-2012 By_Byron_ (928.80) 
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Not the way I understood it. (LINK)
Posted Aug-15-2012 Bydcmfox (30793.86) 
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Now if MSNBLeft would expose some Obama's lies. Not like anyone is dumb enough to listen and watch these talking heads anyway.
Posted Aug-15-2012 ByLadyOfTheInternet (20.60) LadyOfTheInternet View Channel Send Message
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@LadyOfTheInternet That's what fox news is for.
Posted Aug-15-2012 Byxerodfx (312.90) 
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@xerodfx you are a stupid fucking moron! LOL!
Posted Aug-15-2012 Bythinkslaughter (1489.60) 
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@thinkslaughter And you watch Fox News.
Posted Aug-15-2012 Byhellgremlin (762.92) hellgremlin Send Message
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@thinkslaughter I'd rather be insulted and be called a "stupid fucking moron" than watch fox news. It's very common for fox news viewers to insult people when they don't have anything intelligent to say. I expect it from fox news viewers.
Posted Aug-15-2012 Byxerodfx (312.90) 
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The Ed Show viewers aren't smart enough to figure out how to change the channel. Poor bastards.
Posted Aug-15-2012 BypachaKamaq (1196.10) 
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Lol. It has to be true.
Why else would they watch it?
Posted Aug-15-2012 Bycswartz (1141.20) 
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Exactly. They're not smart enough to get up and walk away from the TV either. It's sad, really.
Posted Aug-15-2012 BypachaKamaq (1196.10) 
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Obama Care will increase the national debt by 2 Trillion dollars by 2016.
Ryan does NOT want to end Medicare, he only wants to make it work for for those under 55.
Obama care will KILL small business because of his EQUALITY FOR ALL attitude.
Look...if you want to sit on your ass and have Uncle Sam flip your bill then you should get NOTHING but what you put into the program.
As for dodging the question..what politician doesn't...DO TELL !
Posted Aug-15-2012 ByGulf Flyer (1873.44)

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@Gulf Flyer How do you know what ryan wants to do? Him and romney refuse to explain their policies they plan to put forward if elected.
Posted Aug-15-2012 Byxerodfx (312.90) 
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Hope and change isn't good enough any more???
Posted Aug-15-2012 Bybigair (531.00) 
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@bigair How do you know what romney and ryan wants to do? They refuse to talk about it.
Posted Aug-15-2012 Byxerodfx (312.90) 
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Can you relax just a bit friend. First off Romney has yet to be even nominated by the republican party ;-) He just picked his running mate and I am sure Obama will do the same thing in the next few days.
Posted Aug-15-2012 Bybigair (531.00) 
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@bigair Don't tell me to relax mother fucker, I am relaxed. Do I tell you to stop sucking dick?
Posted Aug-15-2012 Byxerodfx (312.90) 
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Thats what happens when you work for MR.Etch a Sketch.
Posted Aug-15-2012 ByTEXAS HOLDEM123 (9043.00) 
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Republicans are known to bury their heads in the sand when scared.
Posted Aug-15-2012 Bysinister283 (110.24) sinister283 View Channel Send Message
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careful now you dont want facts entering the decorum with the likes of Star53, cajun, aranger around here...they get all hot and bothered when facts are introduced to any argument about Republican policies.
Posted Aug-15-2012 Bydeznutts (171.30) deznutts View Channel Send Message
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Clever editing then twisted lies, Ryan has a budget, Romney has a budget they are somewhat different but the main thing is and the reason he was tongue tied if Romney does away with Obama care neither one of there budgets would be any good, the numbers would change tremendously .
Posted Aug-15-2012 Bybig_tex (391.40) 
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You know what the best part is?
I saw this lie being happily repeated by the LiveLeak Republitard contingent.
Of course now that it's been discovered to be a lie, I imagine the event will have vanished from Repub memory...
Posted Aug-15-2012 Byhellgremlin (762.92) hellgremlin Send Message
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Nope they are doubling down. Just made a new ad.
Posted Aug-15-2012 Bydcmfox (30793.86) 
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REALLY bad liar...........
Posted Aug-15-2012 ByTongueboy (3088.74) Tongueboy View Channel Send Message
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hypocrites
Posted Aug-15-2012 Bydillknob (169.70) 
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Mitt romney sucks! Obama Is KING!!!
Posted Aug-15-2012 ByHecky420 (198.62) 
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@Hecky420 You must be one of the unemployed or welfare recipiants from the Obama era right.
Bigger government....smaller middle class....smaller wages, fewer job creators, socialism...right...move to France you'd be happier.
Posted Aug-15-2012 ByGulf Flyer (1873.44)

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@Gulf Flyer All the unemployed or welfare people I know are Republicans.
Posted Aug-16-2012 Bymabutoo (194.66) 
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@mabutoo Dream on
Posted Aug-16-2012 ByGulf Flyer (1873.44)

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@Gulf Flyer No its true. Same reason republicans hate gays because most of them are themselves closet gays and are confused about their feelings. Funny the way the world works eh? Love beats all hate :)
Posted Aug-16-2012 ByHecky420 (198.62) 
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@Hecky420 Republicans " het" gays...now isn't that a fucking stereotype.
Get a grip on life you RETARD, you're lost in your thoughts as most Progressives are.
It's only HATE if one doesn't believe what YOU believe...and that's a FACT !!!!!
Posted Aug-16-2012 ByGulf Flyer (1873.44)

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Yeah I saw that interview with Sununu and Soledad and he absolutely hammered her into the ground.
Posted Aug-15-2012 ByThe Grim (745.20) 
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Obama has no plan for saving medicare. None.
On this, the delusional far left claim "the democrats have an advantage."
So, the "advantage" is that medicare goes broke in 13 years. The democratic media complex is intellectually bankrupt. They abandon whatever semblence of credibility they have left to cover for the worst and most corrupt president in the history of the country. What a disaster.
Posted Aug-15-2012 Bytrialdog (581.18) 
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dont care, the republicans need to lie MORE than the democrats to win and i am fine with that!
Posted Aug-15-2012 Bythinkslaughter (1489.60) 
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@thinkslaughter lol what a lack of logic.
Posted Aug-15-2012 ByAnti-Liberal (115.40) 
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@thinkslaughter Don't worry, everything you believe in is a lie. You're a conservative.
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