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U.S. Media Pushes Gun Control Argument with Germany Comparison

From the Atlantic Wire via Yahoo News

According to Germany's Der Spiegel, German police shot only 85 bullets in all of 2011, a stark reminder that not every country is as gun-crazy as the U.S. of A. As Boing Boing translates, most of those shots weren't even aimed people: "49 warning shots, 36 shots on suspects. 15 persons were injured, 6 were killed."

Meanwhile, in the U.S., where the population is little less than four times the size of Germany's, well, we can get to 85 in just one sitting, thank you very much. 84 shots fired at one murder suspect in Harlem, another 90 shot at one fleeing unarmed man in Los Angeles. And that was just April. So we bring you Germany's shot total in case you forgot about America shoots itself in the foot with its manic love of guns.

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http://news.yahoo.com/german-police-used-only-85-bullets-against-people-155155175.html




Added: May-12-2012 Occurred On: May-10-2012
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  • Crime rates, number of shots fired - all irrelevant. The 2nd amendment was designed to give the people the necessary tools to forcefully overthrow a tyrannical government. You want to take guns away from law abiding citizens? Well then you're a Nazi. A tyrannical piece of shit. Keep your pussified and masochistic leftist practices in Europe.

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    • @Salmonellalover629
      Well said!

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    • @Salmonellalover629 Well, the point is: ok, you have your second amendment, ok, you think it's fine, ok, you think it's the only way, the right way.
      Thing is: it comes with a price tag attached. If your willing to pay the price, fine.
      European nations, especially Germany, opt for another way (and it is a way opted for by the people, as Germany e.g. is a democratic nation). So, the people choose not to have the right for everyone to own guns without control (as you can still buy, own and shoot gu More..

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    • @Salmonellalover629 If that's the point of the second amendment, would you support the right of ordinary citizens to own battlefield weaponry?
      Because that's what it would take to overthrow a tyranical govt pal...

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  • Of course libtards don't like guns - they don't like the idea of a level playing field. Screws with their ideas of a socialist takeover.

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    • @Fred Flintstone But see I'm not against you're opinion. I agree with you 100%, people absolutely have their right to bear arms, it's just the places with the most lax gun laws cause illegal guns to flow into places with stricter regulation. In NY its not impossible to buy a handgun, there is paperwork and a background check and its a pain in the ass but almost no handgun crime in NY happens with guns bought here because responsible people own them, its other places where guns are bought very ea More..

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    • @The Grim Criminals will always have guns and any illegal things they want - because they're CRIMINALS. No law is going to change that.

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    • @Fred Flintstone You're right they will always somehow in some way have access to them, but they have much more access to them with states with very lax gun laws. I think in many cases you can bet that those legal law biding citizens are not what they seem.

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    • @The Grim More laws or a "nanny state" is not the answer. Didn't work for dope, and won't work for guns.

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  • Oh,what a bunch of shit!Laws or no laws,criminals will still carry guns.The only people who get the shaft are law abiding citizens.

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    • @Panzerkilla2 They can outlaw guns and ammo tomorow and they'll be turning up 100 years from now. I have spoken to guys in gunshops that already know where they will bury them. Guns? What guns?

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    • @4-B-10-ZONE Yeah, you think so?

      Guess what. The government hasn't been ignoring you. It's been paying attention to who's buying, registering, and suddenly losing guns. It's been paying extra special attention to people talking about burying some guns.

      Your gun shop buddies - do you think they discussed their gun-burying anti-government plans online at any point in their lives? I bet they did. I bet you did too, and it's all catalogued on a master server somewhere in a gray, non-descript build More..

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    • @hellgremlin Yeah, I'm a horrible planner. As bad as all that sounds, I kind of want to see it happen. Will they have internet and will I be able to use my Xbox at those FEMA camps? =)

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    • @Singlecoilsnap Ah. You're one of the sane/normal ones. I *was* hoping to provoke a paranoid-psychotic reaction from one of our local LiveLeak conspiracy/anti-gov freaks.

      Every now and then, I get an excuse to post something creative that makes a guy build a bunker in the mountains. Sue me :p

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    • @hellgremlin I figure why build a bunker when you can buy a remodeled missile silo with a 13 ton blast door.

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  • How do you explain a country like Canada, that has tons of guns and people and a low crime rate? It's not the guns that are the problem, it's the people with the guns......it's the mind state. But if ou take away guns in the states, the criminals will still have them (they are criminals, the don't give a shit bout the law) but the law abiding citizens won't.....look at Mexico, guns aren't allowed (they are, but a liscense is damn near impossible to get) and they are being butchered by the dozens More..

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    • @Bthor420 I completely agree.

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    • @Bthor420 Well, Canada is explained quite easily:

      It's not full of dumb-fuck gun nut rednecks like the US is. It's full of civilized people.

      If you increased Canada's population to equal the US, they'd still have far lower per-capita murder rates - simply because they're not rednecks.

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    • @hellgremlin

      Lol, you're an idiot. The redneck don't tend to be the problem...I would take a country full of rednecks over our country which is full of blacks mexicans, all of which glorious gang banging....rednecks aren't the ones out shooting each other over clothes, or territory.....that's the problem. Lol not the rednecks......

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    • @hellgremlin Yeah I don't think its the dumb red necks that are committing the murders here.....do you?

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    • @The Grim

      Lol no. But leave it some idiot in anothe country to think he knows what's going on here.....SMH. His comment might literally be one of the dumbest comments ever on LL...."let's get the rednecks, but not the gangbangers...." lol. What an idiot

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    • @FundtheMental1

      You better hurry. Not much time before the Summer of Bam.

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  • Germany...

    So what happens when the next Hitler takes power?

    Cant force control on people who are armed.

    Your not free when your not allowed to defend your own life or your loved ones. You take the bat I'll take the gun lets see who wins..

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    • @petryleak
      Actually,
      The Germans are a very disciplined group of people.
      In 1980-'s not only did they *west germans) finish paying off the WW I war debt..... They also paid to absorb east germany back into the west german monetary system.
      NOW,
      the world expects them to PAY for all the mis spending oof the socialist countries of the " EU "

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    • @petryleak The idea that your hunting rifle is going to protect you from your Govt which is far, far more powerful than any European Govt is really rather comical...thanks for the hoot

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    • @ElegantDecline Its comical, but he does have a point. Most gun regulations only affect the Law abiding citizen.

      I think its a little too late for that. If there was a pistol ban in the 1900s then maybe they would have had a chance. But the criminals already have their guns, and they already have their gun supply. Gun Regulations wont stop that.

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    • @petryleak When? Obama is pretty damn close if you ask me. What damage to our rights, economy, and society he hasn't done already, he's vindictive enough to have deliberately PAVED THE WAY FOR ANOTHER FUTURE OLIGARCHY.
      "...and the #1 all-time evil: LEADERSHIP."

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  • So, what's the point?? Because cops in the USA shoot more bullets then cops in germany, citizens(not cops ?) shouldn't be allowed to have guns? Makes no sense at all.

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  • U.S. Media can try to push gun control all they want. Almost no one is buying it. There's been too many riots and disasters where the government proved itself instantly worthless at protecting us. (KATRINA). I saw the LA Riots firsthand. It took me 5 years to decide to arm up.

    The way they are doing it now is piling on the shootings, that were happening anyway and that previously got no coverage. There has not been some anomaly or solar flare that caused more gun crimes to suddenly happ More..

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  • Retort:

    1. We don't fire warning shots.
    2. Germany isn't overrun with race-card carrying, "whitey owes me", ghetto trash; the only solution to this societal blight is a bullet in the chest.
    3. Your story is courtesy of Yahoo, the demonstrated "leader" in "factual" information sharing...

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    • @staxman Counter-retort:

      1. Tacit approval of police brutality.
      2. Racism and antipathy toward minorities.
      3. Attacking the source of information when the information is inconvenient.
      4. Avatar containing anti-female violence as the cherry on the asshole sundae.

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    • @hellgremlin What does your retarded avatar mean then? Just a liberal loving, tree hugging yuppie that would like to jerk off dolphins and send 37 cents a day to a starving african.

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    • @Singlecoilsnap What does my avatar mean?

      I'll tell you.

      Have you ever noticed that the Tea Party crowd tends to yell loudest for cuts to medicare?

      Have you ever *seen* a Tea Party rally? It's mostly old almost-dead people full of hate, riding around on mobility scooters, and huffing from oxygen tanks.

      The people who ask for the most cuts to Medicare are the people who are most dependent on Medicare. Republicans. Right-wingers. Conservatives. Whatever you want to call them.

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    • @hellgremlin Gotcha ya. But bashing the Tea Party is like bashing mormons, it's fun but in the end it's irrelevant.

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    • @Singlecoilsnap It's never irrelevant. if you can consistently defeat a group's argument or reason for being, you can defeat them entirely...

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  • Using Germany as a propaganda piece for co-existance and control seems pretty silly considering it was the aggressor in two world wars which resulted in the deaths of tens of millions. There's more blood on the hands of that nation than any other in the history of the world. Having cops that don't shoot often hardly makes up for it. I'll take the US manic love of guns over Germany's manic love of war any day.

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    • @weada You do realise that WWII ended in 1945, don't you? That today's Germany is something quite different from the Third Reich?
      As for "Germany's manic love of war", the opposite is the case. U.S. politicians complained about Germany and its unwillingness to go to war (e.g. Iraq) quite a bit. Since 1945 there has been no German war.
      Also, war is one thing, has to do with foreign policies and relationships (Germany is a NATO member); having a society that needs only 85 shots fired by More..

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    • @weada weak

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    • @Uac_mitun_ahau Don't bother...its a pathetic argument, unworthy of challenge

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    • @weada

      WWII was ages ago. None in charge of anything relevant then is still alive today. Otherwise, how far back in time are we allowed to go to tell how much blood is in someone's hands today?

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    • @weada I get what you're saying, but that's not a valid argument. By that logic I guess USA still has a manic love for slaves right? Or Britain still has a manic love for imperialism.

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  • 49 warning shots seems like a waste of ammo

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    • @allank

      Perhaps, but so do 84 shots fired at a single individual. This is poor aiming combined with shitting in the pants. Intensive training seems to be required in both cases.

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    • @AlainGalvez True, I was taught you should never need to fire more than once or you shouldn't have shot in the first place.

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  • Molon Labe

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  • It's like comparing apples with oranges...

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  • 6 million jews died because they couldn't defend themsleves. They got some balls to defend gun control.

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  • Ah, false analogies from surrender monkey, soft on crime and coddle the criminal Euro Weenie Cowards, how odd and out of character.

    The Germans murdered about 30 million people less than a century ago, so they're reticent these days. They've had their fill for awhile.

    What I laugh most at is the sycophantic American leftist gun hating weenies who think unilaterally disarming LEGAL and HONEST gun owners will somehow end the gun violence.

    Yeah, sure, that's how it works.

    Thanks for a laugh.

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    • @BunkerGearGal

      No man, you got it all wrong, the surrender monkeys aren't the Germans, it's us, the French! Not the same country man, get your bloody geography right for god's sake!

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  • people can bicker, debate and fight all they want over the issue.

    the fact is that america has a gun problem...and it would appear to be a social problem. other countries seem to be able to handle the responsibility of owning fire arms just fine.

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    • @dangeralstead Yep, and the problem is not enough law abiding citizens carry guns. I wonder how many crimes are prevented in the United States by citizens vs victims in Germany who have to sit and take it if a criminal has a gun? Did you know criminals will always have gun? Yep, it's because they're criminals, and they don't follow the law.

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    • @dog64 more people owning guns doesn't make the society any safer...specially america where their law abiding citizens shoot one another far more frequently than in other countries where guns are legal. It's so tragic

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    • @dangeralstead If someone is kicking my front door down, and I have a gun, I'm safer than you hiding behind your door dialing 9/11.

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    • @dog64 But I think you're missing the point here about the overall picture.

      It doesn't matter anyway because the situation in America is at a point where containment is really the only best option left. It's past the point where a situation in Britain can be achieved

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    • @dangeralstead Your whole point was guns don't make society safer. My point was that depends on who has the guns. Guns make me, and my neighbors safer because I won't miss use the tool. My other point is criminals don't care if we make guns illegal because they will still have guns. What's going on in other countries is not germane because of drastic difference in societal dynamics. Guns do however make the individual safer, and it's about being an indiviual in the United States.

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  • The police in the USA fire a lot of bullets, therefore gun control? That doesn't make sense. How is gun control going to make cops shoot less?

    The left likes to push for gun control, but it has been proven ad nauseum that gun control doesn't work. The vast, vast majority of gun crime is committed with guns that aren't legally purchased. All gun control does is make life difficult for hunters and target shooters.

    Guns aren't the problem, it's the stupid "urban culture" prevalent i More..

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  • The most hillarious thing is reading the comments and see how Bthor420, dog64, Singlecoilsnap, staxman, tipsypyro just keep pounding Hellgremlim.

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  • German police can also beat the shit out of people without fear of being sued.

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    • @CatJuggler

      Stick to the internet. Reality probably won't work out well for you.

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    • @Martyr_Machine
      Mexican police are afraid of cartel members.
      ..whats my comment have to do with Germans?

      oh
      A LOT.

      How many "federalees bullets were fired in olde Mexico "

      NOT
      a moot point

      not a moot point #2....
      people in the southern US,
      keep em concealed, locked and loaded

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    • @Martyr_Machine Bullshit. Have you even ever been to Germany?
      Where do you get your information from, dude?

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    • @Uac_mitun_ahau

      Yeah, I have, actually. I know all about the expandable batons the Polizei all carry. I am fine with it; their system is good. They don't mess with you unless you screw up.

      Germany doesn't entertain frivolous lawsuits like here in America. The Polizei get the benefit of the doubt and the case is dismissed.

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  • I knew I was gonna get killed on this one, I know many people are pro-gun on here and believe me I'm not some anti-gun liberal, I'm not even liberal I'm probably more conservative than people thumbing me down but this is maybe the one thing where I can see some changes being made and trying not to have the average man get the shaft in this, it's just trying to keep the guns out of criminals hands.

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    • @The Grim If your only intention is to keep guns out of the hands of criminals then I sort of apologize for being rude to you. BUT your methods of disarming criminals,(in the real world) will empower them and disarm the very people you are trying to help i.e. the law abiding citizen. There is no law that will disarm criminals. They don't follow the law and are intelligent enough to produce their own weapons. Have you seen the type of weapons they can make while in prison?

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    • @Salmonellalover629 You're absolutely right, there is no full proof way of making it happen, and my only point was for the criminal aspect of it, not the normal people so it's ok if you misunderstood because I didn't make that clear. We can only do the best we can with keeping guns out of criminals hands and here in NY we have actually done a very good job at it. NYC the gun laws are a tougher than the rest of the state. But the rest of the state it's easy to get a handgun but just a process for More..

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    • @Salmonellalover629 It's crazy because the solid guys who I've always agreed with here on all the time are jumping down my throat on this one....

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    • @The Grim

      I might offer an explanation on why they jump.

      We've had over ten years of relinquishing liberty and freedom for an elusive security that the government promises us, and all we have received is contrived theatrics by the Justice Dept., Homeland Security and the Intel industrial complex.

      They keep saying "trust us", yet example after example, when they abuse their power, they whimper "I'll never do it again", like an abusive spouse or parent.

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    • @joe prole It could be the reason. The gov't certainly has taken steps impeding on a private citizens rights.

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  • I don't understand what gun control has to do with how many shots are fired by cops.

    Criminals use illegal fire arms, period. If anything, you would see the number of shots fired by cops decrease with more responsible citizens properly armed. Or better yet, take all lethal weapons away from cops then you would have 0 shots fired. Take that Europe. The cops have proven their lack of maturity and competence on multiple occasions anyway. Allow the cops that earn fire arms, have them.

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  • it's because everything is fucking illegal here

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  • Gun control is HITTING your target.

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  • "Warning shots"??? WTF

    Of course the population of blacks and mexicans isn't as high as what we have in the states.

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