AIM Editor Cliff Kincaid's appearance on Lou Dobbs Tonight on CNN on April 4, 2007
What follows is a video and transcript of AIM Editor Cliff Kincaid's appearance on Lou Dobbs Tonight on CNN on April 4, 2007, preceded by a report by CNN correspondent Christine Romans on the Security and Prosperity Partnership. For important background to this discussion, please read Cliff's exclusive special report, "North American Union 'Conspiracy' Exposed."
LOU DOBBS TONIGHT
Aired April 4, 2007 - 18:00 ET
DOBBS: Tonight, more states are moving in the fight against the so-called Security and Prosperity Partnership. Officially, the SPP aims to integrate the economies of Mexico, Canada and the United States by the year 2010. This is, no matter what anyone tells you, a very serious and unprecedented challenge to the sovereignty of this nation. And it's happening utterly without the knowledge and certainly without the approval of the American people or the consent of Congress.
Christine Romans reports.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): A sweeping partnership forged here two years ago is hitting resistance in state houses across America, the Security and Prosperity Partnership. Dozens of working groups at the highest levels of government, along with the most powerful companies in the hemisphere, have been meeting "to harmonize regulations."
BILL KETRON (R), TENNESSEE STATE SENATE: I don't want to go any further until our congressional delegation of all Congress and all the United States, the governing body of this country, has the opportunity to put it on the top of the table and see if it meets the litmus test of whether or not we want to be part of the North American partnership.
ROMANS: State Senator Ketron is from Tennessee, one of 14 state legislatures considering opposition to the Security and Prosperity Partnership. Many lawmakers see an effort to break down borders and regulatory difference between the three countries the first step toward a North American union.
According to the official government Web site, "The SPP does not attempt to modify our sovereignty or currency or change the American system of government designed by our founding fathers." Supporters envision a safer and more efficient North America, better positioned to compete with China and India. The scope of bureaucratic cooperation between three very different countries is unprecedented on the environment, transportation, food safety, the energy grid, immigration, and border security.
ROMANS: Border security advocates say the Bush administration is not serious about border security because it gets in the way of his aggressive plan to erase borders between the countries at the behest, Lou, of the big businesses, the big companies that are advising this entire process.
DOBBS: To say that the Bush administration is not serious about border security, let's be clear. The border is absolutely meant to be wide open, as far as this administration is concerned. The secretary of Homeland Security has made that clear in memoranda, in his statements, that there will be no -- no effort, no real significant effort put forward to secure our borders, five and a half years after 9/11.
What I can't understand is why more Americans aren't asking why we have troops dying in Iraq, we have our troops posted in 40 nations around the world in the war on terror, but this government, this administration, refuses to secure our borders and our ports five and a half years after September 11th.
ROMANS: This government and the people who are the proponents of the SPP, they are careful to say they want safe and efficient movement of people and goods across borders. They put the word "safe" first.
DOBBS: Well, they're lying, and they are underhanded, and they are not working in the interest of the United States. And it's that straightforward, that clear.
When you hear words like "harmonize" three nations, like Mexico, Canada, and the United States, what in the world does harmonize mean? It means nothing, of course, but it does mean that our sovereignty is under direct attack. Not publicly and not straightforwardly, and our Congress is at this point still, with a few exceptions in Congress, still indifferent to this outright assault on our sovereignty.
More now on one of our earlier reports: the unprecedented attack on this nation's sovereignty, an assault that is deceptively called the Security and Prosperity Partnership. It aims to integrate the economies of Mexico, Canada, and the United States by the year 2010.
You may be thinking, wait a minute, you didn't approve that. You would be right. No one else has either. Why is no one outside this broadcast reporting this in the mainstream media?
A veteran journalist is asking the very same question. We asked Cliff Kincaid, editor of the "Accuracy in Media Report", to join us here tonight to discuss just exactly that.
Cliff, good to have you here.
CLIFF KINCAID, EDITOR, "ACCURACY IN MEDIA REPORT": Great to be with you, Lou.
DOBBS: It is, I think -- it's clear that you're as astounded as I am and as my colleagues are that more people in the media are not focusing on this issue.
KINCAID: I think the issue of sovereignty is, frankly, just not as sexy as a former "Playboy" Playmate, for example, or the latest missing person.
KINCAID: But it involves the future of our country.
Lou, I have been here in Washington, D.C., for almost 30 years, and this story about the submersion of U.S. sovereignty to this emerging trilateral entity, the North American community, the North American Union, whatever you want to call it, seems to be the story of our lifetimes. It is simply incredible.
I've seen literature out of the people behind it who even envision a North American Supreme Court with the ability to overrule our own Supreme Court.
DOBBS: You know, we reported here earlier tonight that some of the states, now 14 of them, are preparing to fight back against this North American union, Security and Prosperity Partnership, whatever you want to call it. Why in the world, in your judgment, is -- there are a few, a handful of people in Congress, beginning to take action.
But why isn't this something that galvanizes the United States Congress and both political parties?
KINCAID: Well, I think both political parties are part of the process. As you know, this started, really, under President Clinton. It follows from NAFTA. It's been continued and expanded under President Bush through the Security and Prosperity Partnership. So you have a bipartisan consensus in favor of it.
The Democrats like eliminating the borders between the three countries because they see potential voters coming out of Mexico.
The Republicans see benefits because big business, one of their big constituencies, sees cheap labor and resources from Mexico and even Canada to be exploited.
So both parties, in other words, Lou, have a vested interest in keeping this all hushed up.
DOBBS: In the piece you wrote in "Accuracy in Media", I want to quote from it for the benefit of our audience, and I have to believe that some -- a few people in our audience may be thinking that you and I are talking about some fictional plot, but let me assure everyone this is very real. All too real.
And this is what you wrote, "The academic literature alluded to how the three countries of North America are polarized on sensitive cultural issues, such as the death penalty, abortion, and gay marriage, and that it might take a long time to -- here's that word again -- harmonize their legal systems on such matters."
KINCAID: Well, because what the people behind this plan see is not only bringing the three countries together economically, but legally, politically, and culturally. And that means, here in the U.S., we would have to accept the more liberal laws such as acceptance of gay marriage in Canada.
This is where they're going with this. It really is true integration of the three countries at all levels.
I got that information, by the way, by attending a conference here in Washington sponsored by the Center for North American Studies where it was all devoted to developing a North American legal system.
DOBBS: Again, an effort that is supported by both proximity and interest by the Council on Foreign Relations and a host of others. And we have been reporting here on the high level meetings amongst the bureaucracy, academic, political, business elites in which, for some reason, we can't seem to gain admission to some of those higher level meetings.
We're glad you were there. We're glad that you were paying great attention to this. We hope many more will follow.
Cliff Kincaid, thank you very much.
KINCAID: My pleasure.
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