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Syria. The descent into Holy War
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This is a fascinating and up to date appreciation of the real situation in Syria by Patrick Cockburn Sunday 16 December 2012 in The Independent newspaper

This short extract is telling! However please read the whole article in the link before giving comments.

"The picture of Syria most common believed abroad is of the rebels closing in on the capital as the Assad government faces defeat in weeks or, at most, a few months. The Secretary General of Nato, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, said last week that the regime is "approaching collapse". The foreign media consensus is that the rebels are making sweeping gains on all fronts and the end may be nigh. But when one reaches Damascus, it is to discover that the best informed Syrians and foreign diplomats say, on the contrary, that the most recent rebel attacks in the capital had been thrown back by a government counteroffensive. They say that the rebel territorial advances, which fuelled speculation abroad that the Syrian government might implode, are partly explained by a new Syrian army strategy to pull back from indefensible outposts and bases and concentrate troops in cities and towns."

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/syria-the-descent-into-holy-war-8420309.html


Added: Dec-16-2012 Occurred On: Dec-16-2012
By: DEADBEEF
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  • Good article. It was obvious to me from the start that this was sectarian. Our Governments are now openly backing al-Qa'ida. Disgraceful.

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  • As NOT seen on CNN and BBC.

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  • Syria government reports on terrorist leaders killed by the Syrian army in the last days.
    There are reports of a Syrian special-forces campaign going on to decapitate the terrorist structures inside Syria (It seems that the Spetsnaz training program is paying dividends).

    Most of the reported terrorist leaders recently terminated are Al-Nusra Front (Al-Nusra = Saudi Arabia & Qatar = US).
    Some FSA leaders also reported killed (FSA = Muslim Brotherhood = US-NATO).

    I can not testify on the ver More..

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  • Hard to know the truth. I heard Baghdad Bob has been retained as a consultant to the Assad government, but I also heard the Assad government has the situation under better control than the CIA and its news affiliates (mainstream media) would have us believe. It's not like they have ever told the truth before, or when they have, the truth has been accompanied with so many lies, there is no way to know the ins and outs till later.

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  • The best hope for the rebels is still high level defections or crumbling (also possibly economic collapse eroding the government in general). I think it is true that Assad is going down, if only because foreign countries will pump in fighters and training and intelligence and weapons until he is defeated. Now that the process has started, Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, US, France, UK, etc, are not going to back down and let the rebels be defeated. When I say best chance, I mean best chance to end More..

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    • @Romantic

      I appreciate your analysis and comment, but I beg to differ.

      While NATO intervention is a possibility, Russia will certainly fight it tooth and nail.

      Without NATO this battle will never resolve in favour of the terrorists no matter how inept the Syrian forces are.

      As the link implies, we're looking at maybe 50 SAA casualties a day, 20% fatal. Certainly there are far more terrorist casualties but even combined these numbers are probably less than road accident deaths.

      Total daily More..

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    • @DEADBEEF hmmm where did you get such precise numbers from ? russia will not fight tooth and nail .back room deals are going on as we soeakn.assad will end up in moscow and they will protect him .this way the russians dont loose face and assad gets to live out his life ....unlike some would have you believe the fsa is made up of many elements but mainly syrians .the war is unstoppable now and the end is nigh

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    • @DEADBEEF
      We could eventually see NATO using airpower to support the rebels, with NATO airpower as backup the FSA would win in a fairly short period (as happened in Libya).
      At the moment there is not enough reason for the West to get involved therefore something needs to be manufactured (like they did with the pretend WMD's in Iraq).

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    • @markymark69 just like Hitler's last days in Berlin. Just because his best soldiers counter-attacked many Russian assaults, didn't mean shit. Eventually the wall crumbles after being hit numerous times from numerous angles.

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    • @KingSize0

      Aren't you supposed to be in Syria right now killing Alawites? At least that's what you boasted of doing.

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  • No one has mentioned Iran or Hezbollah having a final say in this, too much at stake not too.

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  • The beheading video means nothing.Assad troops are just as bad as we have seen.If Assad is such a great guy he will have the support of the people and win.The last i read,Syria had an army including reserves of 500,000! Where are they? There has been very little outside help for the rebels,but Assad hasent crushed them,why?

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    • @drivenwell2

      You obviously didn't read the article.

      Have ago at that and then make a comment.

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    • @DEADBEEF I read the whole article,nothing new in this.Clutching at straws springs to mind.Assad is fucked so are his cronies.He will suffer the fate of all arab dictators.The west has deemed it so,deal with it.

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  • This is the same Patrick Cockburn that claimed just weeks before Tripoli fell that the Libyan rebels were "weaker than their NATO sponsors pretend". "Gaddafi's forces were "adapting tactics" to negate the NATO airstrikes. His "highly informed sources" say Gaddafi will hold onto the west.

    This guy is repeating the same propaganda almost word for word and you guys eat it up like the slop it is.
    He was full of crap then - a proven FACT -- and he is again now. More..

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  • This article shows how Cockburn claimed the same things about the Libyan rebels "weaker than their NATO sponsors pretend". "Gaddafi's forces were "adapting tactics" to negate the NATO airstrikes. His "highly informed sources" say Gaddafi will hold onto the west. He was wrong or lied then just as he is now.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/patrick-cockburn-nato-in-libya-has-failed-to-learn-costly-lessons-of-afghanistan-2319539.html

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    • @FinrisWolf

      I read the article. I'm afraid it contains almost nothing that you initially claimed. It's all about effectiveness and accuracy or otherwise of air-strikes.

      Your key phrase 'His "highly informed sources" say Gaddafi will hold onto the west.' is actually

      'The highly informed International Crisis Group says that a key component "in Gaddafi's ability to hold on to much of the west [of Libya] has been the limited defections to date among the main tribes that traditiona More..

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    • @DEADBEEF If he quotes their information, they are a source of data for his article. He calls them "highly informed". My other quotes were his right from the article. I posted the link so everyone can read how wrong he was about Libya in the exact same way he is wrong about Syria. Pity for him that he can't go back and erase his quotes from the internet.

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  • What kind of last name is cockburn?

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    • @rpgmw3

      It's Scottish. Pronounced Co-Burn. See James Coburn for the politically correct spelling. Burn is a small stream, Cock means a wild-fowl - so stream of wild-fowls.

      If you want real cock-burn see Urewera in New Zealand which literally means hot penis - from a chief who rolled onto the fire during the night while on a raiding party against his enemies.

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    • @DEADBEEF What does cockhard mean in scottish?

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