... here it is for you to decide. The speech by Nick Hanauer..
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It is astounding how significantly one idea can shape a society and its policies. Consider this one.
If taxes on the rich go up, job creation will go down.
This
idea is an article of faith for republicans and seldom challenged by
democrats and has shaped much of today's economic landscape.
But
sometimes the ideas that we know to be true are dead wrong. For
thousands of years people were sure that earth was at the center of the
universe. It's not, and an astronomer who still believed that it was,
would do some lousy astronomy.
In
the same way, a policy maker who believed that the rich and businesses
are "job creators" and therefore should not be taxed, would make equally
bad policy.
I have started or
helped start, dozens of businesses and initially hired lots of people.
But if no one could have afforded to buy what we had to sell, my
businesses would all have failed and all those jobs would have
evaporated.
That's why I can say
with confidence that rich people don't create jobs, nor do businesses,
large or small. What does lead to more employment is a "circle of life"
like feedback loop between customers and businesses. And only consumers
can set in motion this virtuous cycle of increasing demand and hiring.
In this sense, an ordinary middle-class consumer is far more of a job
creator than a capitalist like me.
So
when businesspeople take credit for creating jobs, it's a little like
squirrels taking credit for creating evolution. In fact, it's the other
way around.
Anyone who's ever run
a business knows that hiring more people is a capitalists course of
last resort, something we do only when increasing customer demand
requires it. In this sense, calling ourselves job creators isn't just
inaccurate, it's disingenuous.
That's
why our current policies are so upside down. When you have a tax system
in which most of the exemptions and the lowest rates benefit the
richest, all in the name of job creation, all that happens is that the
rich get richer.
Since 1980 the
share of income for the richest Americans has more than tripled while
effective tax rates have declined by close to 50%.
If
it were true that lower tax rates and more wealth for the wealthy
would lead to more job creation, then today we would be drowning in
jobs. And yet unemployment and under-employment is at record highs.
Another
reason this idea is so wrong-headed is that there can never be enough
superrich Americans to power a great economy. The annual earnings of
people like me are hundreds, if not thousands, of times greater than
those of the median American, but we don't buy hundreds or thousands of
times more stuff. My family owns three cars, not 3,000. I buy a few
pairs of pants and a few shirts a year, just like most American men.
Like everyone else, we go out to eat with friends and family only
occasionally.
I can't buy enough
of anything to make up for the fact that millions of unemployed and
underemployed Americans can't buy any new clothes or cars or enjoy any
meals out. Or to make up for the decreasing consumption of the vast
majority of American families that are barely squeaking by, buried by
spiraling costs and trapped by stagnant or declining wages. Here's
an incredible fact. If the typical American family still got today the
same share of income they earned in 1980, they would earn about 25%
more and have an astounding $13,000 more a year. Where would the economy
be if that were the case?
Significant
privileges have come to capitalists like me for being perceived as "job
creators" at the center of the economic universe, and the language and
metaphors we use to defend the fairness of the current social and
economic arrangements is telling. For instance, it is a small step from
"job creator" to "The Creator". We did not accidentally choose this
language. It is only honest to admit that calling oneself a "job
creator" is both an assertion about how economics works and the a claim
on status and privileges.
The
extraordinary differential between a 15% tax rate on capital gains,
dividends, and carried interest for capitalists, and the 35% top
marginal rate on work for ordinary Americans is a privilege that is hard
to justify without just a touch of deification
We've
had it backward for the last 30 years. Rich businesspeople like me
don't create jobs. Rather they are a consequence of an eco-systemic
feedback loop animated by middle-class consumers, and when they thrive,
businesses grow and hire, and owners profit. That's why taxing the rich
to pay for investments that benefit all is a great deal for both the
middle class and the rich.
So here's an idea worth spreading.
In
a capitalist economy, the true job creators are consumers, the middle
class. And taxing the rich to make investments that grow the middle
class, is the single smartest thing we can do for the middle class, the
poor and the rich.
Thank You.
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So here's an idea THAT IS NOT worth spreading. "In a capitalist economy, the true job creators are consumers, the middle class. And taxing the rich to make investments that grow the middle class, is the single smartest thing we can do for the middle class, the poor and the rich." (Pure marxism).
Oh, you mean like Robin Hood, stealing from the rich and giving to the poor.
In other words, re-distrubition of wealth via force. Just Obama care.
You can not disguise your filthy sociliasm More..
Posted May-19-2012 ByRebel_Radius (1440.52) 
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That entire blathering is moronic. The stupidest thing about "tax the rich" is that it is bullshit. There are no wealth or "rich" taxes; there are only income taxes.
Interesting to note that ALL democrat leaders that constantly whine to "tax the rich" are opulently rich are a quite aware that they they aren't "the rich" that will be taxed. The people that they want taxed are people the produce and try to make a decent living. Wake up, idiots.
Posted May-19-2012 Byonepercent (702.70) 
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@onepercent Entirely why we need a wealth tax.
Posted May-19-2012 Byd3vot33 (13.10) 
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honestly , I never realized there were so many idiots on here, which makes me realize I'm an idiot for wasting my time trying to reason with them. Am I to believe that all these aholes under this comment that have a problem with this guy's point of view make millions a year and are afraid that uncle sam will come knocking?Are they all really part of this so called 1%, or just acting like some self promoting douchebags that expect everyone to be impressed with their wealth? Because either way i More..
Posted May-20-2012 Bysoilentgreene (776.50) 
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Good. Go away.
Posted May-20-2012 ByNotJim (993.50) 
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@NotJim stfu idiot, when I'll need your opinion, I'll come by your starbucks.
Posted May-20-2012 Bysoilentgreene (776.50) 
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LOL. Self-employed... if you find me in Starbucks, I'll be the customer with the hottest laptop.
Posted May-20-2012 ByNotJim (993.50) 
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@NotJim EXACTLY! You are one of those douchebags, I can never enjoy a cup of coffee for 15 minutes with a friend, because it's packed with aholes like you that cant go home, or get their own wifi for a lousy 40 bucks a month, 'god' forbid you actually buy a coffee , or leave when you are done drinking If you should actually buy one.
Posted May-20-2012 Bysoilentgreene (776.50) 
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Not to worry. I've been in a Starbucks maybe twice in the past 5 years. I use better restaurants, and my home Net service is superb.
Posted May-20-2012 ByNotJim (993.50) 
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If you're not in the right club, the rich take all your ideas and claim them for their own.
Whats good about this system is that its easily infiltrated with good ideas and they spread like a virus. They're so dumb, they take ideas that will kill them off and go with them.
nITs not time yet. hold.
great article. about the truth of spending.
This is why they pulled the plug in 2008, too many of these people were coming up to sort out the mess.
Posted May-20-2012 ByOwenHiggins (1641.04) OwenHiggins View Channel Send Message
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"extraordinary differential between a 15% tax rate on capital gains,
dividends, and carried interest for capitalists, and the 35% top
marginal rate on work for ordinary Americans is a privilege that is hard
to justify without just a touch of deification "
And fuck you to those who disagree to that gem of truth
Posted May-19-2012 ByZardoz003 (1567.72) 
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Blame Clinton. He's the president who set us down this path of separating the capital gains rate from the income tax rate. And the dotcom bubble was the result.
Posted May-19-2012 Bybuzzardist (362.74) 
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@buzzardist I can care less where the blame lies, I want action to fix it. All Clinton did was follow orders just like the two before and after him, fuck them all.
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@Zardoz003 Problem is the 35% rate kicks in above $379,150 annual income. Very few "ordinary Americans" earn that kind of cheese. And if some of them don't know how to shelter their income from taxes, fuck em.
The vast majority of Americans earning less than $83,600 pay 25% marginal rates or less.
Gem of truth? Try load of crap.
Posted May-20-2012 Byhdadd (258.00) 
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"Increasing customer demand" If the customer has no money or job how does that happen??
Posted May-19-2012 Bythebigniv (559.44) thebigniv View Channel Send Message
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@thebigniv are you having trouble with reading comprehension ?Try reading it again.
Posted May-20-2012 Bysoilentgreene (776.50) 
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I notice he won't be giving up his own wealth. Funny, that. Sort of makes his entire point moot because he's a raging hypocrite.
Posted May-19-2012 ByTexan_in_China (96.60) 
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@Texan_in_China funny because I was going to say the same about you; being a hypocrite that is. This concerns the level of taxation between the middle class and the upper crust. seeing how you're doing business in china , I fail to see how it would concern your taxes.Why should he give up his wealth, this has nothing to do with giving away money, get with it.
Posted May-20-2012 Bysoilentgreene (776.50) 
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@soilentgreene The Chinese government taxes me and then the US government does the same. America is one of the few countries in the world to do this double taxation. It's a total fucking ripoff.
If he wanted to show solidarity with the people, he'd give up his wealth. Tons of capitalists did that in China when the Revolution came. Put your money where your mouth is, or shut up.
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@Texan_in_China sounds to me like you are not using your 'claim of job creation' properly if you are paying all these taxes, are you employing hundreds or thousands?. what exactly is your gripe with his point of view, besides he not relinquishing his wealth that is?
Posted May-20-2012 Bysoilentgreene (776.50) 
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@soilentgreene "If he wanted to show solidarity with the people, he'd give up his wealth. Tons of capitalists did that in China when the Revolution came. Put your money where your mouth is, or shut up."
Can we read?
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Fuck this site and its pussy mods. Also? You're way fucking late with this weeks old reload douchebag
Posted May-19-2012 ByGodinn (68.90) 
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@Godinn ... do you know how fucking stupid you sound?.. you cocksucker..
Cursing a site.. ON THE SITE!
why didn't you bring it?
Oh yeah, that's right.. you were too busy sucking cock.
Posted May-19-2012 Byghostsofmany (860.50) 
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@Godinn ..ROFL @ your pathetic English, pathetic avatar and pathetic uploads...
The word 'Also' with question?mark after it ..?
lololololololololo
Posted May-19-2012 Byghostsofmany (860.50) 
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What a twisted, irrational pile of steaming BULLSHIT!
The very idea that a government's coercive disposession of its citizens, wealthy or otherwise, can EVER be a cause of prosperity is beyond ludicrous.
Posted May-20-2012 ByNotJim (993.50) 
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@NotJim
I see you missed the point of the speech.
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Actually, no, I didn't. But apparently you did.
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@NotJim
LOL. Whatever you have to tell yourself.
Posted May-20-2012 ByTanngrisnir3 (357.14) Tanngrisnir3 View Channel Send Message
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bBx2Y5HhplI
Posted May-20-2012 Byghostsofmany (860.50) 
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I wonder if TED will do the right thing and let us see this...it's pretty relevant to our society.
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I don't know what the blathering is about TED not letting people watch this. I watched it on the TED channel just a couple days ago.
Posted May-19-2012 Bybuzzardist (362.74) 
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@d3vot33 ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bBx2Y5HhplI
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I think TED made a wise editorial decision here. I dont know where the op got the idea as to why they made that decision and it's premise is certianly not what mainstream economist's believe. I would recommend this be shown in an area where a lot of tinfoil hats might be found, if there is such a centraly located tinfoil hat place. They tend to be distributed fairly equally thruout the populace however democrats would be the closest relative to the tinfoilers so maybe they could be pinned down t More..
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@Pure_Adrenaline .. for anyone who wants to 'see' him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bBx2Y5HhplI
Posted May-19-2012 Byghostsofmany (860.50) 
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@ghostsofmany ty
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THAT makes perfect sense to me.
but let's just brand him a liberal and shoot down anything he might have said, just in case.
Posted May-19-2012 Bysoilentgreene (776.50) 
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@soilentgreene He is a socialist an anti-consitutionalist.
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@Rebel_Radius right,'socialist', that's what I meant to say..good catch.
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