a few comments from Karl's website:
Some examples of where this can (and might in the near future!) go include:
You make cars. You're told to sell a car to anyone who makes under $25,000 a year for $5,000. This is of course under your cost of production. If you refuse, every car you make is subject to a $5,000 tax. This is now Constitutional, as of this last week.
You would like to have three kids. The government decides that you may have only two. If you have get pregnant with a third and refuse to have an abortion you must pay $10,000 a year in additional tax forever. This is now Constitutional, as of last week.
You may have all the abortions you want, but each costs $10,000 in tax. This is Constitutional, as of last week.
You must eat Broccoli and submit receipts with your 1040 proving you bought 1lb of Broccoli per person in your household per week. If you do not, you must pay $5,000 in additional tax. This is Constitutional, as of last week.
If you are more than 10lbs overweight you must pay $2,000 of additional tax for every 10lbs overweight you are, with no cap. This is Constitutional, as of last week.
You probably think I'm kidding on this. I'm not. This is what the Roberts Court held. There is literally nothing that Congress cannot mandate that you do, or not do, under penalty of paying a tax. All that was unconstitutional before the ruling now is explicitly constitutional if the only "compulsion" to do (or not do) a given thing is that you will be taxed if you refuse. The court promised to review "reasonableness" of any such taxes in the future, but note that at the same time the court ignored two other problems with the Health Care law, making a lie of their claim of "future reasonableness" tests right up front:
Direct taxes are unconstitutional without being apportioned. This is clearly a direct tax and it is not apportioned. It is therefore unconstitutional, but the USSC simply ignored this. (The 16th Amendment was required to make income taxes constitutional for this reason.)
The Anti-Injunction Act prohibits suing the government over a tax until you have actually paid it. This means that if the PPACA "penalty" is a tax then the entire lawsuit that went to the USSC is moot as it's not yet "ripe" (since nobody has yet paid the tax.) If they were going to find that this was a tax they were thus bound to dismiss the entire complaint as unripe. They ignored that too.
In short the USSC has become no more legitimate than the North Korean government and is unworthy of your respect.
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Kill the bill
Posted Jul-2-2012 BycALlme6 (494.20) cALlme6 Send Message
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@cALlme6 It's an outstanding bill if you're
Lazy
Lame
A Liberal
Democrat
Progressive
Posted Jul-2-2012 ByGulf Flyer (1945.14)

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Nice try, libturd
Posted Jul-2-2012 BycALlme6 (494.20) cALlme6 Send Message
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@jgmurj
you deserve nothing else, libturd
Posted Jul-3-2012 BycALlme6 (494.20) cALlme6 Send Message
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Why have you got equating people, with cars?How can the richest nation on earth,not provide health care for its own people.Yet spend billions on its overseas policy,and aid?They have spent billions,and billions fighting terrorism,yet are bitching about spending on their own.Where are the morals?or is everything about the dollar.I wouldent want to live in a country where myself,or my family had to worry about health care.
Posted Jul-2-2012 Bydrivenwell2 (605.52) drivenwell2 View Channel Send Message
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@drivenwell2
Do you believe the federal government can actually accomplish quality, universal healthcare for 308 million people?
Posted Jul-2-2012 Bycopperdog3 (1055.54) 
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@copperdog3 Quality maybe not?but if the wealthy or the middle classes dont like the standards.They can fight in the political arena to make it better,or like GB they can pay for private treatment.There can still be a duel system,of goverment health care and private for thoese who can afford it.
Posted Jul-2-2012 Bydrivenwell2 (605.52) drivenwell2 View Channel Send Message
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@copperdog3 Maybe if it stops wasting money invading random nations for no good reason, it'll be able to afford better than the barest rudiments of a health care system ;)
Posted Jul-2-2012 Byhellgremlin (763.22) hellgremlin Send Message
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@drivenwell2
after 2014 there will be no middle class. You'll be rich or poor... Just how a socialist government wants you to be...
Posted Jul-2-2012 ByGodsrage (115.30) 
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When does this start?
Posted Jul-2-2012 BySaintAimless (38.30) 
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RT is not news.
Posted Jul-2-2012 Bywharris (2343.72) 
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Get ready for the smoking and obese taxes.
Posted Jul-2-2012 Byjoe prole (1708.80) 
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@joe prole Already got the smoking tax in GB £7 a pack!Read on LL they are already talking a sugar tax in NY?
Posted Jul-2-2012 Bydrivenwell2 (605.52) drivenwell2 View Channel Send Message
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@joe prole
Being that smoking has been 100% proven to contribute to "death" in people, and my money is going to pay their insurance bills, I hope it does happen. Smokers should be taxed more if they choose to do something proven to contribute to death.
Posted Jul-2-2012 Byseangail (99.34) seangail View Channel Send Message
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One could argue that by reducing their lifespan, they should get a tax write-off, since they are decreasing their future need for Medicare and Social Security.
Posted Jul-2-2012 Byjoe prole (1708.80) 
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@seangail "Contribute to death"? lol
Posted Jul-2-2012 Bymikecurse (369.50) mikecurse View Channel Send Message
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You must've missed that part.
Posted Jul-2-2012 Byseangail (99.34) seangail View Channel Send Message
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None of the examples above are indicative of anything relating to the decision to uphold Obamacare. The Supreme Court's decision to uphold Obamacare was just that: a decision to uphold Obamacare and not these farcical examples listed above, and stating that it did is not remotely factual by any means. Support for the change in our current healthcare system has actually risen, meaning many more people, including Republicans, across the country are ignoring the Republican/GOP party's mission to di More..
Posted Jul-2-2012 Byseangail (99.34) seangail View Channel Send Message
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free healthcare for people who cant afford it!!!
wow, what has the world come to?
Posted Jul-2-2012 ByveryFAMOUS (69.88) 
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Its not free the people with jobs pay for it. Socialism is equal sharing of one persons misery. while capitalism is an unequal sharing of one persons blessings.
Posted Jul-2-2012 ByGodsrage (115.30) 
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@veryFAMOUS How does "even if you can't afford it you're going to pay for it anyway" translate into "free"? Help me understand this.
Posted Jul-2-2012 Bymikecurse (369.50) mikecurse View Channel Send Message
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@mikecurse
Poor people get breaks from the government. Rich people pay cash.
The real loser, the middle class. It's a war on the middle class.
Posted Jul-2-2012 Bymphatik (690.28) 
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@mikecurse so keep the status quo? what it boils down to is millions cant get healthcare, you put man on the moon, you are in the top 20 of great countries, the iraq war was costing hundreds millions a week just redirect some of ur other money, i can walk into any hospital and get 'free' healthcare for any disease, injury etc, we pay a shit load of tax for this but we still we all eat, go on holidays have nice houses, honestly if you pay just a fraction of ur wages, im talking 0.1%. and spend More..
Posted Jul-3-2012 ByveryFAMOUS (69.88) 
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What the fuck was that?
Are the bright colors and music meant to keep people interested?
Posted Jul-3-2012 Bymarkatbaysie (265.66) 
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karl denninger on the tea party: "the tea party is a joke."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmzH5hlsGfo
Posted Aug-7-2012 Bykiddkidd (579.16) 
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I guess the Republican dream is to just have sick people without insurance die quietly in a corner. That is more important than having Government social policies.
If someone doesn't have insurance and they go to the emergency room, they still get treated, and the hospital has to eat the bill, so they increase the cost for other things and charge more to insurance companies, who then pass the increase on to the insured. This cost is already in insurance, coercing people into getting insurance an More..
Posted Jul-2-2012 ByLazerhead (277.58) Lazerhead View Channel Send Message
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@Lazerhead "There is NOTHING about extra taxes on a 3rd child, NOTHING about proving you eat healthy to the IRS, NOTHING about paying extra money to the Government for being overweight."
Do you understand the concept of a LEGAL PRECEDENT? Apparently not.
Posted Jul-2-2012 Byquasimodo (375.10) quasimodo View Channel Send Message
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Can you at least make your grips based in reality? Can you fucking do me that small of a favor?
Posted Jul-2-2012 ByLazerhead (277.58) Lazerhead View Channel Send Message
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There is already a gas guzzler tax? Why haven't the right wingers complained about this?
I'll tell you why. Because the 1/6 of the GNP medical industry doesn't care.
Posted Jul-2-2012 ByBlue3tar (496.60) 
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Freedom and liberty are exclusively of God. Where the spirit of the Lord is there is liberty. America received liberty as a Christian nation and is now losing it in proportion to it's departure from God.
Posted Jul-2-2012 Byscourgeofsmallcords (162.50) scourgeofsmallcords Send Message
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