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How many killings will it take for the US to get serious about gun control?



As politicians peddle platitudes on second amendment rights and soul-searching, 32 Americans are shot to death every day

Another mass murder, another shooting spree, leaving bodies bullet-riddled by a legally obtained weapon.

This time, it was Oak Creek, Wisconsin, at a Sikh temple, as people gathered for their weekly worship. President Barack Obama said Monday:

"I think all of us recognize that these kinds of terrible, tragic events are happening with too much regularity for us not to do some soul-searching."

Amidst the carnage, platitudes. With an average of 32 people killed by guns in this country every day – the equivalent of five Wisconsinmassacres per day – both major parties refuse to deal with gun control. It's the consensus, not the gridlock, that's the problem.

The president's press secretary, Jay Carney, said:

"We need to take common-sense measures that protect second amendment rights and make it harder for those who should not have weapons under existing law from obtaining weapons."

It's important to note where Jay Carney made that point, reiterating the phrase "common sense" five times in relation to the president's intransigence against strengthening gun laws, and invoking "second amendment" a stunning eight times. He spoke from the James S Brady press briefing room in the White House, named after one of Carney's predecessors, shot in the head by John Hinckley during the attempted assassination of President Ronald Reagan in 1981. Brady survived and co-founded, with his wife, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. After each of these massacres, the Brady Campaign has called for strengthened gun control.

This latest mass killing was very likely a hate crime, perpetrated by Wade Michael Page, a white, 40-year-old US army veteran with links to white supremacist groups and membership in skinhead rock bands. Page grew up in Littleton, Colorado, the same town where, in 1999, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold plotted and executed their mass-murder plan at Columbine High School.

Page was in the US army from 1992 to 1998. He did missile-system repairs and later was a "psychological operations" specialist, although it is not clear in what capacity, based first at Fort Bliss, Texas, then at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. Page received a "general discharge" from the army, lower than an honorable discharge, but not as bad as a dishonorable one. Reports suggest he had a problem with alcohol, with several arrests for drunken driving.

He recently lost a truck-driving job for the same reason, which may have precipitated the loss of his home to foreclosure. Page may have been troubled, but he was by no means unknown. After the shooting, FBI Special Agent Teresa Carlson of Milwaukee told the press:

"There may be references to him in various files, and those are things that are being analyzed right now, but, we had no reason to believe, and as far as we know, no law-enforcement agency had any reason to believe that he was planning or plotting or capable of such violence."

Page was a prominent member of the neo-Nazi skinhead music scene, was known to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks rightwing hate groups, and was also personally interviewed, between 2001 and 2003, by Pete Simi, associate professor of criminology at the University of Nebraska at Omaha. Despite the arrests, despite the history of membership in hate groups, Page was able to walk into a gun shop and buy the 9mm pistol legally, according to the shop owner.

The fact that it was legal is the problem.

As if on cue, two days after Page's murderous rampage in Wisconsin,Jared Loughner appeared in court to plead guilty to the shooting spree in Tucson, Arizona, that left six dead and many injured, including former member of Congress Gabrielle Giffords. Loughner has been diagnosed with schizophrenia, and will spend the rest of his life behind bars.

Patricia Maisch survived the shooting. As Loughner was tackled that day in January 2011, Maisch grabbed the high-capacity magazine that Loughner was using to reload his gun. Maisch and two other survivors of that shooting have launched an advertisement with the group Mayors Against Illegal Guns, demanding that both President Obama and Governor Mitt Romney come up with a plan to deal with guns in this country.

The day after the Wisconsin shooting, I spoke with Gurcharan Grewal, president of the Sikh Religious Society of Wisconsin. He told me:

"Ultimately, the problem comes to gun control. I don't know when we're going to get serious about all this, and I don't know how many more lives it will take before something will be done."

Neither Obama nor Romney agrees that gun control is the answer. It will take a movement to make it happen.----

Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/09/how-many-killings-serious-about-gun-control?newsfeed=true


Added: Aug-10-2012 Occurred On: Aug-11-2012
By: MB-UK
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  • The only nutjobs I see are the idiots willing to give up liberty and freedom for so called security..

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  • LOL post all you want We Americans will not lose out guns!!!

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  • Our current gun control works. The people are the problem. I would rather put up with a nut with a gun that a nut with a bomb that he made from wal-mart. More gun laws will only make it harder on the good guys. The bad guys will get the guns on the street. Idiot!

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    • @zacarra If our current policy works, we wouldn't have these mass shootings. It's amazing how the obvious just flies right over people's head...

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    • @lastnamefirst

      What is amazing is how dense you are in saying gun control would prevent shootings, drugs are illegal, do people still get them? You can't be this stupid unless of course you're a liberal in which I won't bother arguing any further.

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    • @lastnamefirst After reading all of your ignorant comments I had to remind myself, We all have the right for free speech! The reason that we have that right is because of the 2nd Amendment. The 2nd Amendment is the glue that holds the Constitution together. Stop being a douche and go down to a gun range and shoot a gun with a professional. I bet you will have a different outlook.

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    • @lastnamefirst ....This has to be ONE of the DUMBEST comments I've seen on LL.

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    • @ride_k2 Yeah, nut cases owning firearms is what gives us freedom of speech. What are you going to do, use that firearm against the government? Idiot..

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  • 115 people die every day in car crashes. How many car crashes will it take for the US to get serious about car control?

    Oh yeah thats right, everyone already needs to be trained and licensed. Oops.

    The only logical next step is Vehicle bans.

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  • A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed

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    • @GraveMatter- Still not able to comprehend "well regulated" or "militia"? Try going back to third grade (or as the south calls it, your senior year) for details...

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    • @lastnamefirst: "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
      - Thomas Jefferson

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    • @Moore Slayer Thomas Jefferson also wanted the Constitution re-written every 17 years. And single shot muskets were the only firearms available.

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    • @lastnamefirst Back then you could also buy cannons, grenades, dynamite, and cyanide. then you could have put it all on the biggest warship you could afford with the best trained mercenaries available and set out to take over a country. all legal!

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    • @lastnamefirst

      Your desire to ignore the constitution and twist history to fit your pusillanimous, leftist ways is why we are headed toward the failed ideology called socialism. Our current system is flawed and in need of serious repair, but not by weaklings like yourself. If you want to live in a society where private gun ownership is illegal, you can move to one of several European states.

      You seem unable to comprehend "THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRI More..

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  • Just because GB allows only criminals to have guns does not mean we will allow that to happen here.

    Stiffer penalties and swifter "execution" of punishment is whats needed. But of course we have to rid ourselves of the 2 faced, bleeding heart left before these "changes" can take place.

    Until then, dont tread on us and mind your own fucking business :)

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    • Comment of user 'Americanalltheway' has been deleted by author!
  • Slanted articles. Ridiculous photos.
    These are supposed to persuade?
    What about the tens of thousands of lives saved by guns?
    No mention. Why?

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  • And you think that banning guns like in the UK will keep guns out of CRIMINAL HANDS !?! If so, YOU'RE STUPID !

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  • How many Muslims will blow themselves up in the UK within the next 10 years?

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  • True story and most people will never know it.

    Here�s an interesting side bar. After the Japanese decimated our fleet in
    Pearl Harbor Dec 7, 1941, they could have sent their troop ships and
    carriers directly to California to finish what they started. The
    prediction from our Chief of Staff was we would not be able to stop a
    massive invasion until they reached the Mississippi River . Remember, we
    had a 2 million man army and war ships�...all fighting the Germans. So,
    why did they not More..

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    • @ZANGADO Well said, sir. And not even counting those who shoot for sport or those who collect just to have them or for whatever reason.

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    • @ZANGADO Everyone knows to invade America you need to go house to house....but what you dont realise and what Americans still dont understand is this....Why in the blue fuck does any country want to invade America? What so they can then pay all the bums sitting at home living off tax payers money? look at the running costs of USA going into shitty Iraq/Afghanistan the debt is killing your nation....if my government told me everyday the russians want to take over...i would tell me own government More..

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    • @ZANGADO my comment is almost a side note to what you just said ,because i've thought the same thing in a general sense. i'm not a big hunter etc. actually i don't think they would have made it to the Mississippi. damn i had to go back to you to make sure i had that river spelled right.

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    • @ZANGADO I agree with most of what you posted except the United States had not declared war on Germany until after the Pearl Harbor attack.

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    • @forqalso Actually, Germany 'declared' war on the US.

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  • For those of you that think gun laws are not strict enough, go to Chicago for a weekend, or any other US city that has strict gun laws.

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  • I'll stay with 2nd Amendment rights, thank you. Without them, crime would be rampant.

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  • I'm only commenting to ask why you guys comment on this MB-UK faggots stupid little articles...he obviously HATES the U.S. for some reason because 90% of his uploads or comments are degrading America. Stop leaving comments and the little cunt muslime will crawl back under his moldy rock.

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    • @MadMike740 This might sound overly cliched or even humorous, but I am 100% serious: Lots of people are probably jealous of the US because it has something no other country does: freedom.

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    • @john_b

      And Guns!

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    • @john_b haha fuck man i have never seen someone have their arse so far up an Americans as yours....You explain to me what freedom is. because im pretty sure you have no fucking idea.

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    • @ThePersuader Lol @ all these Pissants thumbing down.. but wheres the rebuttal? where's your opinion that justifies a thumbing down? weak cunts.

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    • @ThePersuader

      You're bitter too...can't blame you though if I lived in a penal colony surrounded by Asian criminals and where 99% of the landmass in inhospitable so everyone is crammed up each others assholes and can't go in the ocean or you'll get ate by sharks.

      Not to mention all the Aussie girls flock to the American sailors at port when they dock and don't want anything to do with the Australian men who are known worldwide for beating the shit out of them. Get off your high horse and go More..

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  • Don't like gun's, don't buy them.
    But you can be sure of this.
    Criminal's will always have gun's and so will the cop's the military and government agencies.
    And they're mostly the good guy's and would never use those gun's against you, right.
    Wrong.

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