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Australian Soldiers investigated for Taliban Prisoner Abuse
Oruzgan Province, Afghanistan.
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Added: May 10 2008 In: news_politics
By: doorman77 
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- Oruzgan Province,
- Taliban,
- Australian Military,
- Digger,
- Investigaion,
- suspected abuse
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Specific allegations that are verifiable or it didn't happen.
Posted May-10-2008 by "Amabo" (R)
Sounds like a rumor...
Hope it doesnt turn into a witch hunt.
Posted May-10-2008 by "Fire37Rescue" (R)
That newscaster could make lettuce sound interesting.
Posted May-10-2008 by "Eight" (R)
Monkey see monkey do.
Look at it as Americanizing Austrailia. :)
Posted May-10-2008 by "AndyBIue" (B)
Look at it as Americanizing Austrailia. :)
Seems to have brushed off on the Brits as well
torture is so patriotic, eh?
Posted May-11-2008 by "lasrever" Premium
Look at it as Americanizing Austrailia. :)
Seems to have brushed off on the Brits as well
torture is so patriotic, eh?
What would you all do if you captured Taliban after a prolonged firefight with RPG's flying over your head and machine gun fire threatening your life. Once they were out of ammunition and captured?
Would you-:
"A" say c'mon your coming with me and don't trip on that twig or rock in your path.
OR
"B" Give em shit, rough em up and try to find out anything possible about their kind and their plans for further coalition attacks.
Tell the truth now......Which would you do???
Posted May-11-2008 by "doorman77" (R)
Look at it as Americanizing Austrailia. :)
Seems to have brushed off on the Brits as well
torture is so patriotic, eh?
What would you all do if you captured Taliban after a prolonged firefight with RPG's flying over your head and machine gun fire threatening your life. Once they were out of ammunition and captured?
Would you-:
"A" say c'mon your coming with me and don't trip on that twig or rock in your path.
OR
"B" Give em shit, rough em up and try to find out anything possible about their kind and their plans for further coalition attacks.
Tell the truth now......Which would you do???
if they were the ones actually fighting against us just send them where all POWs are sent -- to the proper areas for interrogation where people who are trained do the interrogating
that's the right thing to do
and if torture is to be used at all their guilt MUST be established with a fair trial, evidence, and lawyer or we might end up with a lot of false information anyway ("coerced confessions" -- torturing a 'suspect' whose guilt has not been established and 'forcing' answers)
Posted May-11-2008 by "lasrever" Premium
you talk like there are soldiers who no longer honor self-discipline and restraint after defeating an enemy in a hard battle
sure they might butt or punch a few immediately upon capture but prolonged beatings and torture? those are the actions of savages
"but THEY are savages!!!" isn't an excuse
Posted May-11-2008 by "lasrever" Premium
sure they might butt or punch a few immediately upon capture but prolonged beatings and torture? those are the actions of savages
"but THEY are savages!!!" isn't an excuse
I wasn't actually talking about rules and regulations. I was asking you as a human being, who has just survived by the skin of your teeth say in a firefight in dustbowl hellhole. What would you do?
I will be honest.
I would break teeth to find out anything that would save my fellow men from another firefight surprise attack. That is my truth.
The thing is we can say anything we like about the taliban but everyone is aware that to be captured by them you would be disembowled at least and most probably beheaded.
Our rules and regulations are important and I agree with them all. But once your life is threatened, many tend to lean toward forcing the truth from an enemy. I can understand this however I don't condone it. It is a difficult situation however it should not happen but I do see situations where certain soldiers would carry out these acts due to severe stress, fear and even hatred toward their enemy on the battlefront.
So you are correct, but black and white rules always have furry edges and war is never black and white.
Posted May-11-2008 by "doorman77" (R)
sure they might butt or punch a few immediately upon capture but prolonged beatings and torture? those are the actions of savages
"but THEY are savages!!!" isn't an excuse
I wasn't actually talking about rules and regulations. I was asking you as a human being, who has just survived by the skin of your teeth say in a firefight in dustbowl hellhole. What would you do?
I will be honest.
I would break teeth to find out anything that would save my fellow men from another firefight surprise attack. That is my truth.
The thing is we can say anything we like about the taliban but everyone is aware that to be captured by them you would be disembowled at least and most probably beheaded.
Our rules and regulations are important and I agree with them all. But once your life is threatened, many tend to lean toward forcing the truth from an enemy. I can understand this however I don't condone it. It is a difficult situation however it should not happen but I do see situations where certain soldiers would carry out these acts due to severe stress, fear and even hatred toward their enemy on the battlefront.
So you are correct, but black and white rules always have furry edges and war is never black and white.
i know
but it takes a better man to practice restraint and mercy even in the face of his worst enemy. i truly believe that such men exist on the battlefield and continue to behave in such a way. those are the ones i'd look up to if i served. not the ones who immediately "break teeth" and torture prisoners and force answers that give tainted or false intelligence. i wouldn't look up to those soldiers -- i'd be disgusted, yes, but probably wouldn't say anything by merit of my own position (better to wait until i become civilian and then discuss those crimes... like many soldiers are doing).
there's nothing 'useful' about torturing an enemy except revenge. in such a situation you aren't a trained interrogator. so what role are you describing? a soldier in combat or an interrogator in a prison?
i know plenty about what happens when a regular soldier thinks they are an interrogator. there are plenty of examples.
Posted May-11-2008 by "lasrever" Premium
here is a more personal example
let's say you defeat a person in a fistfight. you have the option to:
a) continue kicking them after they are defeated, knowing fully well they'd do the same to you if you fell
b) practice restraint despite knowing they'd give you no mercy
i'd opt for B not because i'm hypothesizing. i know it's what i would do. i have done it.
Posted May-11-2008 by "lasrever" Premium
let's say you defeat a person in a fistfight. you have the option to:
a) continue kicking them after they are defeated, knowing fully well they'd do the same to you if you fell
b) practice restraint despite knowing they'd give you no mercy
i'd opt for B not because i'm hypothesizing. i know it's what i would do. i have done it.
Taking the high ground is always the honourable and intelligent thing to do. I would have to ask you this however.
Do you lose your temper?
Do you ever get angry or sad?
Have you ever done anything you regret?
Have you ever said anything you regret?
If so you are human.
Just like any soldier, enlisted or part time.
These things will happen in war due to fear, inexperience or just plain being a bad seed.
I wish it didn't but to be totally honest, roughing em up comes with war. Total brutality or torture should be inflicted to the same level on the purpetrator.
Posted May-11-2008 by "doorman77" (R)
One could only hope its true.
Thanks to our Ozzie brothers....kill them all!
God Bless
Posted May-11-2008 by "brad101" (R)