This is a general response to the people of the inter-web who have habitually attacked Islam under the pretense of having "higher moral values" or a more "logical" frame of mind by which they slander Islam using concocted one-sided, biased, stereotypical schema s with a predisposition towards a skewered and hate-filled rant which could arguably be to vent off spiteful everyday "in-built" anger. The use of the oft-repeated humorless joke "snackbar" would be one example of this.
Several comments and threads discuss the backwardness of Islam and the "bronze-age" rules which it follows. Islam has been accused of mistreatment of Women countless times, and for some reason unbeknownst to logic some people here have added a disgusting trait called honor-killing into the fold of Islam. Now unfortunately a few Muslim apologetic s have fueled this fire by trying to compare Islam to the West with the argument that Islam is actually very much in tune and similar to western ideals. This is a total load of rubbish.
Let's set things straight. Islam for the whole part does not follow the practices of western civilization, thank goodness for that. For this argument i will be taking the United States as an example, though the ratio of numbers do not stray too far off in other western countries, lets observe: (sources can be provided upon request)
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Murder:
- Calculations average 45 murders per day in the U.S
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm
Domestic Violence:
- approx 4.8 million intimate partner-related physical assaults and rapes every year
www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/IPV-Factsheet.pdf
- Somewhere in America a woman is battered, usually by her intimate partner, every 15 seconds. (UN Study On The Status of Women, Year 2000)
- average of three women killed everyday by intimate partner
nnedv.org/docs/Stats/NNEDV_DVSA_factsheet2010.pdf
www.ok.gov/health/documents/Lethality_Assessment.pdf- of all women murdered in the U.S, about 1/3 were killed by intimate partner
opdv.state.ny.us/statistics/nationaldvdata/nationaldvdata.pdf
http://www.now.org/issues/violence/stats.html
Rape:
- Over 22 Million women in the U.S raped in their lifetime
http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/219181.pdf
http://www.icasa.org/docs/adult_victims_of_sexual_assault_-_draft-7.doc
- in total 18% of the women in the U.S have experienced either attempted rape or rape
www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/219181.pdf
- FBI estimates that only 37% of all rapes are reported to the police. U.S. Justice Department statistics are even lower, with only 26% of all rapes or attempted rapes being reported to law enforcement officials.
bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/rsarp00.pdf
FBI, Uniform Crime Reports 2001
- 1 in 4 women experience rape or attempted rape during college
www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/182369.pdf
Youth Risk Behavior Survellience 2009
- estimated that every two minutes in the U.S, someone is sexually assaulted
U.S Department of Justice. National Crime Victimization survey 2006-2010
- In 2006, 78,000 children were sexually abused. Because majority of cases are not reported, it is estimated that the real number could be anywhere from 260,000-650,000 a year
Child Maltreatment 2006 U.S Report
Finklehor 2008
http://facts.randomhistory.com/child-sexual-abuse-facts.html
Sex Offenders:
- 747,408 registered sex offenders in the country
The National Center for
Missing & Exploited Children (NCMEC) 2006
Incest:
- One Million Incest Victim reports. Number due to non-reporting expected to be several times higher. Estimates are at between 10-20 million.
http://www.ncvc.org/ncvc/main.aspx?dbName=DocumentViewer&DocumentID=32360
Juvenile:
- U.S Courts handle an estimates 1.7 Million cases involved with youth
http://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/court/qa06201.asp?qaDate=2008
- Over 70,000 kids in Juvenile detention each year
http://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/corrections/qa08201.asp?qaDate=2010
Crime Rate:
- More than one in 100 adults in the United States is in jail or prison
bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=11
- More than 2.3 million people behind bars
bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/tables/corr2tab.cfm- Over 2 Million burglaries per year
www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/property_crime/burglary.html
Infidelity:
- In the United States, 17% of all the divorces that occur are due to adultery on the part of either or both the parties
http://www.divorcestatistics.info/latest-infidelity-statistics-of-usa.html
- Cross referenced surveys estimate the number between 30 - 60% of married men have commited an adulterous act at least once in their life
Buss and Shackelford et al research findings
Divorce rate:
- 53% of marriages end in divorce
www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr049.pdf
Alcohol:
- Over 75,000 deaths per year due to alcohol consumption
www.cdc.gov/alcohol/ardi.htm
War Killings:
- Calculating starting from 1950 till today, estimate at over 7 Million people killed through involvement of the U.S
http://japanifik.wordpress.com/2008/08/0…
http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-asah…
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat3…
http://www.puertorico-herald.org/issues/…
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia…
http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/st…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6…
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Even for the sake of research we were to apply a 40% error margin on the above data, we would still be dealing with appalling numbers.
We can pull the data from the U.N and various other sources for the crime rates in the middle east and i can assure you that the numbers are considerably lower by a very big margin from the west. The fact is in Dubai, or Riyadh or Muscat etc i can leave my door open and come back a few days later with a good possibility that nothing would be stolen (true to my word, myself or relatives, friends have practiced keeping our doors open on more than one occasion without incident) reason being? BECAUSE NO-ONE IS CRAZY ENOUGH TO RISK HAVING HIS HAND (OR HEAD) CHOPPED OFF. I can watch a movie at the theater without worrying about live-action shootings, i can walk down the street without worrying about maniacs shooting in the street, i can send my kids to school without worrying if some bullied kid wants to play Rambo.
You people claim to adhere to sound mind and logic yet when logic slaps you in the face you still don't see it. You choose to hold on to the image of an Arab as a Hairy Incoherent dirty Bedouin and videos of stupid Saudi drift racers are uploaded and ridiculed as though they were ambassadors to Islam. What many of you fail to realize, is that Arabs in fact do not form the majority of Muslims in Islam, only around 18% of 1.6 billion Muslims are Arabs.
Regarding Women, the number revealed above should shed some light on the "respect" and freedom attributed to women in the west (or U.S more specifically). I can provide psychology journals and research reports which show that women wearing the Hijab are less likely to be preyed upon since sexual appeal is reduced, in addition to the representation of the Hijab being a constant reminder of religion which adds as a further deterrent from would-be attackers, the same studies apply to Catholic Nuns and Jewish covered women etc.
The west can be statistically and logically dissected to prove the notion that it is "Very Backwards" as a society in its principles and the current ongoing economical crisis is a proof of the instability of the pillars that erect the western fiscal system. Interest or "ribah" is one of the key factors which played a part in this historic tragedy and the Islamic Shariah in its "forward thinking" ideology has banned Interest and loan borrowings to prevent some of the instigators of the current crisis.
This is a long topic that could be discussed at length, perhaps another time, just wanted to give some food for thought and wake up those who had their heads deep in the ground. For now i can only say; God bless America, they really need it. For those who would like an honest, intellectual debate about Islam and can approach the subject with an open-mind, i would be more than happy to give you more information inshallah.
Peace and blessings
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There multiple reasons why we see these numbers, most notably that in the US, where there is a strong system of law, those who commit crimes as usually caught. Go to most Muslim countries, and the rule of law is not nearly as strong. This isn't about the West of Islam, its about humans being humans. Islam doesn't make people saints any more so than Western values make people devils. People just can't get away with shit as easily in the West, which I do believe speaks more for the West being More..
Posted Sep-11-2012 Bytdilla (42.40) 
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@tdilla: There's profit in locking people up. It's never been about what's right. US is over policed. Most of you are so used to it that it appears normal. It's not.
Posted Sep-11-2012 ByStackOverflow (250.62) 
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@StackOverflow
Straight to the point.
This is how people should approach this topic.
Posted Sep-11-2012 ByOrwellian_Society (464.80) Orwellian_Society View Channel Send Message
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@tdilla
Unfortunately America does have anomalously high crime etc and there is really no way of getting around that. The post is not wrong there.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/19/opinion/19blow.html?_r=4&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
It is not all bad news though. Other western nations seem to be getting it right, like Germany, Denmark, Netherlands....just not the US. Sorry guys.
Posted Sep-11-2012 Byljamesb (66.70) ljamesb View Channel Send Message
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@StackOverflow There is truth to that. Things like marijuana charges account for a lot of the incarcerated. And thats only the stupid people who get caught, the rest of us (myself included) enjoy the sweet, sweet herbal essences while never getting caught. But that doesn't change the fact that Western law and the law in most Muslim countries are vastly different. They can't really be compared.
Posted Sep-11-2012 Bytdilla (42.40) 
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@MSG Let me answer that........HASSAN CHOP!!!!!
Posted Sep-11-2012 Bytheangryvulva (85.30) 
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@MSG Good question, very commendable, the answer is very simple:
Those who adhere to the open-minded Islamic school of thought will welcome the post and tackle it constructively. My post was not hate-filled but rather a constructive essay based on facts. A small minority of muslims may react in the same way as the posters on this website, feeling offended, but that is the nature of debate, why would it be received any different on muslim sites? Infact give it a go as a test, re-edit my content More..
Posted Sep-11-2012 Byswatson (6.20) 
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@theangryvulva hahaha... uhh open sasparilla...?
Posted Sep-11-2012 ByDJCool (201.78) 
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@DJCool havent forgotten you my friend, when i have some good free time and a nice cup of tea i will be happy to sit and apply reasoning and logic to your previous rebuttals.
Posted Sep-11-2012 Byswatson (6.20) 
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wait for it......waaaait for it........... nope still fkn hate em
Posted Sep-11-2012 ByThe_Cunny_Fox (119.50) The_Cunny_Fox View Channel Send Message
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Fact: 100% of Muslims believe in fucked up mythology based on some nutjob pedophile.
Posted Sep-11-2012 ByBurkaBurka (155.00) 
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@MB-UK
Yea but at least we don't believe that one blood line is "royal" and ordained by god. So I guess we all have our bull shit
Posted Sep-11-2012 Bycadillaccuz (259.00) 
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@MB-UK
Wait didn't you have a king who basically made his own religion so he could get divorced. I do understand that having someone who can make decisions immediately can be beneficial it can also be detrimental. I personally have no beef with the UK and as a matter of fact I was born in Lakenheath. Doesn't make me British but the point still remains. But from where I sit your country has a rather large religious population so I don't understand how you can point your finger and not realize yo More..
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Die Islam!
Posted Sep-11-2012 ByNUKER-_- (175.50) 
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Everywhere in the world a Muslim country abuts a non-Muslim country, there is conflict. Muslims cannot coexist peacefully with non-Muslims. Remember, "Islam" means submission, which is antithetical to the values of the West.
Posted Sep-11-2012 Bygovett (943.70) govett View Channel Send Message
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Even if these 'facts' are correct: Islam is still an uncivilised barbaric religion with no place in this world.
Posted Sep-11-2012 ByBialetti (364.08) 
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@Bialetti
By your own admission, you are saying that even if the "facts" (they are facts btw, no need for sarcasm) are correct i.e. The West is uncivilised and barbaric you would still point the finger at Islam. Ignorance much?
Posted Sep-11-2012 Byswatson (6.20) 
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These are false analogies, many crimes in Islamic countries are not considered crimes, and are not reported, or if reported, are not recorded and never acted on.
Sexual abuse of young boys, especially in Madrassas and Mosques. Subjugation of women. Female circumcision. Killing or bearing false witness against non-Muslims.
And while Islam is not the only culture that practises honor killings, it's also big with Hindus and Sikhs, Muslims by far carry out more than any of the others combined.
Mu More..
Posted Sep-11-2012 ByBunkerGearGal (919.74) 
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@BunkerGearGal
"These are false analogies, many crimes in Islamic countries are not considered crimes, and are not reported, or if reported, are not recorded and never acted on."
ANS: If you intend to build a straw man for your arguments at least build it in the right way, such blanket statements hold no bearing in the realm of critical thinking. See what i did in my post? thats called logic, i took the common stereotype and i used statistical data and psychological concepts to analy More..
Posted Sep-11-2012 Byswatson (6.20) 
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At least my own government wont kill me just because I insulted a pedophile warlord. How about you, arab?
Posted Sep-11-2012 ByMrSlave (1174.26) 
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Well German, I am not an Arab, how did you come to such a theory? I live amongst the Arabs but i am in fact British born and bred.
Posted Sep-11-2012 Byswatson (6.20) 
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@swatson What should I think when I saw your flag? You are british uhu...and where did your parents come from? Im sure you are as british as these guys:
http://www.sharia4america.com/images/homepage/leftad/banner-muslims.jpg
Posted Sep-11-2012 ByMrSlave (1174.26) 
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@MrSlave Yes well, done, you got me, thats me in the picture, though i do have a time-efficient suggestion;
There's a trick, if you want to make yourself laugh, to just tickle yourself. It will save you a great deal of time wasted on the misuse of sarcasm for your own humour
Posted Sep-11-2012 Byswatson (6.20) 
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Man, if what you wanted was to defend Islam, you have done exactly the contrary.
First of all, some of the parameters you include would be much worse in Islamic countries if they were measured with the same standards of the American ones:
Sex offenders, do you realize that women will not report any sex offence for fear of being detained? Just read the recent news of young dudes fondling and abusing women in the streets of Cairo. If we use the same standards, the figures of sex offences will More..
Posted Sep-11-2012 Bymcgus (636.24) 
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@mcgus The shere lack of constructive logical effort in producing a proper rebuttal tempts me to ignore your post, but on the other hand out of respect to the fact that you have written full paragraphs i will answer you accordingly my friend. Let me answer the other posts and get back to yours
Posted Sep-11-2012 Byswatson (6.20) 
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@swatson Still waiting...
Posted Sep-11-2012 ByIron Sights (179.20) 
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@Iron Sights I have every intention of replying to him, im not a robot, ive answered most of the hundreds of comments, his statements open a big can of worms that represent some of the fundamental flaws in the understanding of Islam, these statements will be addressed in a different article and answered in full
Posted Sep-11-2012 Byswatson (6.20) 
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Nice propaganda, care to link any facts to your fantasies?
Posted Sep-11-2012 Bybobsdesk (439.84) 
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I would be so lucky if the FBI, UN, and the other bodies that i have collected this data from had a sinister propaganda initiative.
Posted Sep-11-2012 Byswatson (6.20) 
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@swatson unsubstantiated crap.
Here a factoid for you.
8 out of every 10 muslims girls are raped before they reach 16. But because the rapist is a family member it isn't considered a crime.
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Here's another factoid; A factoid is not a faith based system, its not a factoid just because you want it to be.
Posted Sep-11-2012 Byswatson (6.20) 
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@swatson I'm sorry I burst your propaganda bubble but what I stated is based on fact
http://www.iran-bulletin.org/women/RAPE.html
What you stated is pure fantasy
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Sorry. Try again.
Why would you show me something from the Shia Republic of Iran? I have no doubt about the rapes and disgusting filth taking place there, its a lost country, i can only hope that one day they could be liberated from the dangers of the Shia controlled state they live in and get introduced to Islam as a mercy.
Poor Iranians
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those numbers you present regarding rape are so far off the mark .. everyone knows that sheep, donkeys and goats don't report it
Posted Sep-11-2012 Bynzkiwi (416.70) 
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Classic...and so disgustingly true!
Posted Sep-11-2012 ByJohnls (321.42) 
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Nice statistics....nice in that the west not only collects them but publishes them. try getting any info from the moslim cuntries(o)...distored, underported, and made up are the statistics generated from them...in my humble experience. The fact still remains that the statistic for removal of hands for theives in the US is 0 per 350 million...wow...can you beat that one??? selective representation of facts are no substitute for analysis. There is a fine video here on LL where a moslim cleric poin More..
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Logic and rationality is highly welcome in my book, and Islam for that matter. You sir, on the other hand have not presented any logic. Care to discuss your "humble experience"a little further?
And speaking of logic, im a little uncertain as to how you could misinterpret my article, the fact that there is no "removal of hands for thieves in the U.S" is my point all along, hence the high crime rates in the U.S.
We dont live in daisy fairytale hippie land where More..
Posted Sep-11-2012 Byswatson (6.20) 
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@swatson
I would like to discuss my humble experience with you however, your barbaric applauding of the example that you pose shows that indeed, you lack rationalism and logic, sticking to a barbaric culture that thankfully we outgrew. you make a great case for cultural change for your twisted understanding of the koran. Mo preached rationality and logic and indeed, the last rational moslims were the moors who welcomed all faiths and were open to logic and civilized discourse. As I stated earli More..
Posted Sep-23-2012 Bykingsnake11 (68.40) kingsnake11 View Channel Send Message
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Cool your emotions my friend, slurs are unnecessary - lest you prove the point about the intolerant, ill-mannered, closed-minded society that many accuse the western culture of breeding. After all, my approach to this debate has been with charm and constructed in a manner which takes into account statistics, social constructs and dare i say: presented in a respectful manner as idealized by Islam.
Furthermore, disagreeing with my logic by attributing to me statements that i did not say is rather More..
Posted Sep-26-2012 Byswatson (6.20) 
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You missed out how many donkeys were sodomized!!
Posted Sep-11-2012 ByStupidWorld (74.40) StupidWorld View Channel Send Message
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Not to mention man fuck each other in some Arab Countries
Posted Sep-11-2012 ByCitizen USA (130.70) 
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@Just a word
And i heard Unicorns and fairies dance upon rainbows in the sugarplum kingdom.
Story telling can be fun sometimes, but we do tend to outgrow it as we mature into adulthood
Posted Sep-11-2012 Byswatson (6.20) 
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No Stories my friend I am all facts. You think I am just sitting at home. I have been over 40 countries and seen many things. And trust me seen good Muslims and evils. Don't you every talk bad about America. Look at your own fucking country, I also put my money in you are not even originally from Dubai. Probably some house boy working for rich Arabs
Posted Sep-11-2012 ByCitizen USA (130.70) 
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@swatson '
here is a story for you
How you like this?
!!12-YEAR-OLD DIES GIVING BIRTH IN YEMEN!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N76iCJPwx8
Posted Sep-11-2012 ByCitizen USA (130.70) 
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@Just a word
Well Columbus, Would love to read all your journals about your travels to the "land of savages". I'm sure it will be a good read along with my other book; 10,000 leagues under the sea.
Never said im from Dubai, just living here to reap its rewards, im British.
There is bias in all your posts with an incredibly closed mind and this is further proven by the ridiculous articles you bring forth. what these selected incidents have to do with Islamic theology or the 1.6 Billi More..
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