Video of the confrontation involving Kelly Thomas and Fullerton officers was shown during the first day of the preliminary hearing.
Tuesday, May 8, 2012
Updated 6:51 PM PDT
Defense attorneys for two Fullerton officers accused in the beating death of a 37-year-old man at a transportation center last summer continued Tuesday at a preliminary hearing to question the actions of responding paramedics.
During a second day of testimony in the hearing, attorneys for Officer Manuel Ramos and Cpl. Jay Cicinelli questioned witnesses about the paramedics' treatment of Kelly Thomas.
"It's just placing the blame," said Thomas' father, Ron Thomas. "They're not addressing the real issue of the beating."
Kelly Thomas died five days after the beating.
Defense attorneys also questioned a pathologist on the cause of Thomas' death. They wanted to know if it was possible Thomas died of an enlarged heart.
"Was there cardiac pathology to support a natural death?" attorney John Barnett asked.
"No, not really," said Orange County coroner pathologist Dr. Aruna Singhania, who said there were many factors which contributed to the death.
Singhania listed the injuries she found on Thomas' body, including seven on his face, more on his face, shoulders, chest and both knee caps, and a hemorrhage in his right eye.
One of the autopsy photos showing the bruises on Thomas' back drew a gasp from the courtroom.
Ultimately, Kelly Thomas died because of the force of the officers' compression on his chest, according to the District Attorney. The pressure made it impossible for Thomas to breathe, according to the DA's report.
Ron Thomas' attorney believes Kelly Thomas suffocated from his own blood.
"When they kept him on his back as long as they did, he couldn't spit up that blood, so it killed his brain," said attorney Garo Mardirossian.
In transportation center surveillance video played for the court Monday, Thomas can be heard screaming, "I can't breathe."
UC-Irvine trauma surgeon Dr. Michael Lekawa testified Tuesday that Thomas suffered from hypoxia -- the body as a whole or a region of the body wasn't getting enough oxygen.
"Cardiac arrest and all the things that can lead to cardiac arrest can cause inadequate blood flow to the brain, or you can have the heart working and simply not have enough oxygen," Lekawa said.
Officer Manuel Anthony Ramos is charged with second-degree murder and involuntary manslaughter. Cpl. Jay Cicinelli is charged with involuntary manslaughter and excessive force in connection with the July 5 beating.
The preliminary hearing will determine whether the two officers will stand trial in Thomas' death.
The 38-year-old Ramos, a 10-year Fullerton police veteran, is free on $1 million bail, one of the highest ever posted in Orange County. Cicinelli, 42, is free on $25,000 bail. Both are on unpaid administrative leave.
The video on which Thomas can be heard calling for his father included audio from recording devices worn by the officers. It was played Monday during the first day of the preliminary hearing, and the judge paused the video amid sobs in the courtroom to ask whether anyone would like to leave.
When charges were announced last year, District Attorney Tony Rackauckas said the video was just one piece of evidence used to determine whether charges should be filed. Monday marked the first time the video was shown in public, but Thomas' father had seen the video before the hearing.
He had not heard a responding a responding paramedic's account of what happened when he arrived at the transportation center.
"All the police around him were worried about little Band-Aid scratches, not my son dying,'' he said Monday, referring to Fullerton Fire Capt. Ron Stancyk's testimony that officers did not immediately direct him to Thomas.
The audio-video recording depicts events at the Fullerton Transportation Center on July 5, 2011 from 8:46 p.m. to 9:20 p.m. At the beginning, Officer Manuel Ramos can be seen twirling his baton, asking Kelly Thomas what language he’s speaking.
Officers question Thomas about the contents of his backpack and said they found documents belonging to an attorney. About 15 minutes later, Ramos puts on latex gloves and issues orders to Thomas.
Ramos: "Now you see my fists?"
Thomas: "Yeah, what about ‘em?"
Ramos: "They’re getting ready to 'f' you up."
Thomas: "Start punching dude."
About 30 seconds later, Kelly Thomas is struck with batons. The batons and a stun gun that Rackauckas said was used by Cicinelli were presented as evidence at Monday's hearing.
Thomas can be heard screaming on the video: "Dad, they're killing me. Dad, dad."
Ramos faces a potential sentence of 15 years to life if convicted of second-degree murder but only four years if convicted of involuntary manslaughter. Cicinelli faces a maximum sentence of four years in prison.
Both pleaded not guilty.
At a pre-trial hearing in December, Ramos' attorney said the officer used "only that force that was necessary" to restrain "a non-compliant suspect."
Four other officers who responded to the bus depot were not charged.
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Posted May-9-2012 ByMyheavynuts (502.90) 
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And welded shut
Posted May-9-2012 ByMyheavynuts (502.90) 
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Yes police should go to trail for murder every one of them who do something like this should get a harsh sentence since they are the ones who are supposed to serve and protect and up hold the law instead of abusing it..
Just like they do with our Soldiers when the break the Law..
No officer should be shown any sympathy for actions like this..
Fuck Crooked Cops..
Thank you to the Officers who actually do there job but fuck the rest of them..
Posted May-9-2012 ByMyheavynuts (502.90) 
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I hope they put these pieces of shit directly into general population. 10 years from now they will still be cleaning their blood out of the cracks in the walls.
Posted May-9-2012 ByTOPDECK (137.20) 
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All six officers should be fired and the two murderers should go to prison for life!
Posted May-9-2012 Byglobetrotter79 (1135.92) globetrotter79 View Channel Send Message
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You know I have respect for any one doing their job legitimately. Since I know we all have to make a living. I have respect for good cops, which I know there is good cops. With the exception of these two bad cops and not just them the other 4 involved in this heinous incident also. These guys abused this man and the worst part assumed that this man was under some kind of substance. Which later the autopsy showed that Kelly Thomas was not under any substance. The officer felt like they needed to More..
Posted May-9-2012 Byjobany24 (15.60) 
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@jobany24 "good cops"? they do not exist. Because if that camera wasn't there the "good cops" you have so much respect for would have never reported their "Brothers". And they would have absolutely gotten away with this. Hope they rot in prison.
Posted May-9-2012 Byoneyedjack (14.04) oneyedjack View Channel Send Message
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@oneyedjack There is good cops and it depends on the circumstances they probably thought the guy was going to be OK but it backfired on the cops now its come back to bite them in their asses
Posted May-9-2012 Byjobany24 (15.60) 
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@jobany24 Ummm no afraid your wrong there. There is a unspoken Police rule called the Blue Code of Silence. No Cop can rat out another or they are ostracized and eventually fired. That is a fact.
Posted May-10-2012 Byjustsid (26.00) justsid View Channel Send Message
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@justsid So true. And if they end up ratting out the drug dealing cops, those "good cops" could end up being "dead cops". I doubt that any cop would do that to him or herself. Especially if they have a family to support.
Posted May-10-2012 Byoneyedjack (14.04) oneyedjack View Channel Send Message
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Will they get away with it? My bet is yes they will.
Posted May-9-2012 ByBunkerGearGal (997.64) 
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Look its like this! We vote for the government fools who in turn need the support of the police ! Now there is no way on gods earth the government want to go against the police as an organisation lol that will never happen .they need them to protect their own cowardly asses for gods sake! if it were you or me who had done this to an officer they would ...... well I dont even have to say it do I? They will conspire and and consult with each other even if they weer in custody they could pass mess More..
Posted May-9-2012 BygIasgow (14.40) 
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@Univert
Then, it was worth it.
Posted May-10-2012 ByJustin Tyme (46.00) 
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What a ghastly state of affairs.
Posted May-9-2012 ByBetterCallSaul (177.90) 
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HELL
Posted May-9-2012 Byrodneysalazar (18.30) rodneysalazar View Channel Send Message
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EYE FOR AN EYE! HAVE FUN IN PRISON BOYS!
Posted Jul-11-2012 BySFwhitegirl (1.70) 
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!!!!!!"I can't breathe"!!!!!!!!!"Dad, they're killing me. Dad, dad."!!!!!........!!!!!attorney said the officers used "only that force that was necessary" to restrain "a non-compliant suspect."!
Look at all the typical cops like Ramos. Grossly overweight, stupid, provacateur, angry, bully, etc.... that's the sort of slob we are paying over $100,000 a year. How far could he chase a crook without falling over from a coronary infarction? This is MANAGEMENT d More..
Posted May-9-2012 Byzziper (670.44) 
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@zziper What cops get paid $100k?
Posted May-9-2012 ByMrakulous (94.58) 
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@Mrakulous In New Jersey a State boy makes 120K a year New york its higher. Los Angeles its about that also. Pretty much all the bigger cities pay mad money to Police.
Posted May-10-2012 Byjustsid (26.00) justsid View Channel Send Message
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@zziper well put!
Posted Jul-11-2012 BySFwhitegirl (1.70) 
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The cops need to sweep the streets and get rid of the homeless.
They steal anything not tied down. Everyday they commit crimes.
If you feel different, let them stay with you.
Posted May-10-2012 ByJustin Tyme (46.00) 
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@Justin Tyme "For such as you have done unto the least of these so have you done unto me." I wouldn't want to be you on Judgement day.
Posted May-10-2012 Byjustsid (26.00) justsid View Channel Send Message
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@Justin Tyme Boy you sure are one fucked up motherfucker dude, How and the hell can a homeless person take and steal a bunch of shit with NOWHERE to put the shit but in his pockets. Your a fuckin idiot and I hope you get beat the fuck down by three homeless guys. Your a waste of the oxygen we all breath.
Posted May-10-2012 Byteddysmith (154.10) 
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@justsid
I wouldn't want to be you today.
Posted May-17-2012 ByJustin Tyme (46.00) 
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