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Feds Concerned About Growth Of Militias

A six month-long CBS4 I-Team investigation has uncovered a disturbing rise in the number of extremist groups. Those who monitor these movements say they haven't seen this much activity since the days before Timothy McVeigh and the bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building.

I-Team investigator Stephen Stock has discovered some of these groups are active here in the Sunshine State.

In his forty-four years in law enforcement, the last dozen of them as chief of West Memphis, Arkansas's police department, Bob Paudert never experienced anything like what he happened upon on the side of an exit ramp on Interstate 40 last May when he responded to two of his officers being shot down.

"About here is where they had pulled the van over," Chief Paudert said as he pulled his police cruiser over on I-40 to show a crew working for CBS4's I-Team.

There is video of that traffic stop taken by two different police vehicles at the scene along the side of an exit ramp off Interstate 40 in West Memphis.

"You talk about a routine traffic stop," Chief Paudert said of that stop. "There is no such thing in my opinion as routine traffic stop. (But) how much more routine can you get than stopping a van that's registered to a church with a father and son in it? That's about as routine as you can get."

But as the police dashboard camera video shows the stop became anything but routine. Viewers of the video can watch as the van's driver shows off a stack of papers instead of a driver's license. Then the video shows an apparent argument over the legitimacy of those papers between the van's driver and first one, then a second police officer.

As the police move to subdue the man, he pushes one officer away. Then in the background, almost as if it were a Hollywood horror movie, you see on the video a 16 year-old boy step out of the car with an AK-47 and open fire.

"No parent should have to go through the pain and misery that my wife had (to go through)," said Chief Paudert of that day.

You see, Chief Paudert had been heading out of town with his wife, Lynn.

Upon hearing about a shooting on the interstate he rushed to the scene with his wife alongside him in the passenger seat. Neither Chief Paudert nor his wife had any idea that his officers were involved. Nor that their son was involved.

"As I looked around I saw an officer on the ramp lying on his back with nobody around him and I said 'Well, what? Why aren't you guys up there with him?'" said Paudert.

It was too late. The officer on the ramp was dead. That officer was Bob Paudert's son.

As he walked up to one of the fallen officers Chief Paudert realized one of the two police officers gunned down on the videotape by that 16 year-old that day was his own 39 year-old son, Brandon.

Brandon Paudert, who had been a police officer for seven years, died two weeks shy of his 40th birthday leaving behind a wife and children in addition to a stunned grieving small community.

The other officer to die was 9 year police veteran Bill Evans, who had initially pulled the van over and had been shot 11 different times by the 16 year-old wielding the AK-47.

The father and his 16 year-old son were later killed during another police shootout at a local Walmart. It was a shootout that was also caught on police dashboard camera videotape as well as store surveillance videotape. Father and son were later identified as Joseph and Jerry Kane who had been traveling the country giving seminars as members of the sovereign citizen movement. According to experts who study these groups, sovereign citizens is a movement that does not believe it answers to any authority or government but God.

"The kingdom of heaven is the registration (of their van)," said Chief Paudert.

"They do not believe that the government has any authority over them at all," said Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center, based in Montgomery, Alabama.

Potok closely monitors such groups as the sovereign citizens, militias and racist hate groups in his position as Director of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center.

He described the sovereign citizen philosophy in this way.

"Really, it's about the idea that the federal government is you know a palpable evil," said Potok. "(Sovereign citizens believe) there is a cabal of evil men that control the federal government that have plans. And they're not good for you or me. They're going to put us in concentration camps. They'll force us into a socialistic one world order. That kind of thing."

"They have no compassion for human life," said Chief Paudert. "They're terrorists. They need to be treated as terrorists."

The FBI says that before they were stopped Interstate 40 in West Memphis, Jerry and Joseph Kane where headed to a home in Clearwater, Florida, where property records show Kane's common law wife still lives.

In fact, a six month long CBS4 I-Team investigation has discovered a huge jump on talk in chat rooms, internet videos and actual activity such as that shooting along I-40 in West Memphis, among these so called extremist anti-government and hate groups not only in Florida but around the country.

"We count these groups every year and from 2008 to 2009 we saw a 244% increase in the number of these groups," said Potok. "We hadn't seen anything like it going all the way back to the mid '90s when the militias were really active."

Among those extremist groups tracked by the Southern Poverty Law Center are not only sovereign citizen groups but also patriot groups including militias, as well Neo-Nazi's, the Ku Klux Klan and white separatist groups.

"Certainly the level of anger and rhetoric has increased," said Andrew Rosenkranz of the Anti-Defamation League which also tracks these groups.

Rosenkranz serves as Regional Director for the Florida Region of the Anti-Defamation League based in Boca Raton. The Anti-Defamation League also has been troubled by the growth in the rise in hate and anti-government groups.

"We are talking about a significant increase," said Rosenkranz. "We are talking about, especially in the militia movement, for example, 50 groups growing to 200 groups over the course of the past two years."

That concern extends to federal law enforcement.

"We're clearly concerned about the domestic terrorism threat," said Michael McPherson of the FBI's Tampa Division.

FBI Special Agent McPherson serves as supervisor for the area's Joint Terrorism Task Force for Domestic Terrorism based out of Tampa. As such he's in charge of monitoring hate and anti-government activity from Naples/Fort Myers to Jacksonville, everything from Neo-Nazi's to skinheads, the Ku Klux Klan to other white resistance groups, militias to sovereign citizens.

"There does seem an uptick in it across the country particularly in this area. Our primary threat for domestic terrorism (in Central Florida) is the Sovereign Citizen movement," said Special Agent McPherson

Special Agent McPherson points out that there's nothing wrong with talking or holding militia, sovereign citizen or even white supremacist beliefs.

McPherson said that it is those individuals who act violently on those beliefs or what they believe is defense of those beliefs that worry the FBI.

"We're concerned about the violent acts, perhaps the lone offender because of his thoughts or beliefs," said McPherson.

Take for instance a video taken this July 6, 2009, and posted on-line on July 25, 2009, on the website YouTube by someone calling himself "TheMeissiah" (sic).

In the video you can clearly hear someone identified later as the person videotaping Josiah Fornof as he threatened two sheriff's deputies who quietly and quickly leave Fornof's property. The video shows that the deputies apparently were trying to serve papers on Fornof and his family on local code enforcement issues.

Fornof tells the deputies that they are trespassing and they "are to leave." Then he says on the videotape that "we are in fear for our lives at this moment."

Later in the videotape Fornof tells the deputies "if you come back we may bear arms against you" and "we are prepared to protect ourselves." Then on the videotape Fornof tells his mother he's going to quote "suit up" as if ready to do battle. Fornof had been convicted on two state criminal counts of assaulting a law enforcement officer, one count of battery on a law enforcement officer and one count of escape.
more @ http://cbs4.com/iteam/militia.sovereign.citizen.2.1990740.html

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  • Actually, I went back and watched the vid. Disgusting how they are demonizing groups of people who are standing up for what they have good reason to believe in. I make no excuses for the nuts, but highlighting these guys in a blatent effort to pre-empt national understanding on individual sovereignty is disgusting. lol fuckin I Team.

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    • The founding fathers used the terms militia, people, and citizens, interchangeably. Synonyms. They said every able-bodied person had a moral obligation to defend themselves and their neighbors, from enemies both foreign and domestic.

      One major force standing between America and the Mogadishu type violence across our souther border, are about a hundred million armed rednecks. No military in the world could occupy America, no coalition of militaries could. Places like Berkley and SF and NYC would More..

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    • saul alinsky couldn't be prouder I'm sure.

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  • They invoked TImothy McVeigh, who never could get into a militia group because they thought he was crazy. Also, they never mentioned the Hutaree who were arrested eight months ago, released without bond, and have yet to be prosecuted.

    This was broadcast November 1, the day before election day. Liberal scare tactics, anyone?

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    • The vast majority of terrorists on the FBI 10-most wanted list have always been leftist.

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    • Oh here we go again.....

      Few months ago you stated that more people have died from eco-left-terrorists than militia-racist-right terrorists (and ignored that even the Taliban, and Al-Queda.....fall into the "conservative" slant).

      Then you coward and hid from showing any facts.

      Once again...BACK UP YOUR WORDS!

      Or shall it be.....

      A. Your too feeble to understand
      B. I dont have to educate you
      C. I didnt read your gibberish
      D. Just run along and not reply because once ag More..

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    • "Few months ago you stated that more people have died from eco-left-terrorists than militia-racist-right terrorists"

      Pathetic liar. And, Islamic terrorism is religiously motivated, has nothing to do with politics.

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    • You sir are the pathetic liar!

      That is the same angle you always pull after a few months.

      You did say that.....YES...YOU DID!

      Now...back up your words...since you basically JUST SAID IT AGAIN!!!!!.......

      ""The vast majority of terrorists on the FBI 10-most wanted list have always been leftist.""

      Please show us the "vast majority" and by all means back up your words from months ago about "left wing terrorists have killed more than right wing" More..

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    • Pathetic liar.

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  • Government by the people for the people ...guess these guys just see the fact that it no longer is that way thats all...more people should get angry

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  • OMG

    4:36: "Now while many people associate these groups with racists, experts say that has now changed as well. In fact, a southern poverty law center (?) reports at least 3 African-American sovereign citizen groups, based right here in south Florida..."

    Amazing. They can only be racists if they're white.

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  • The extremists are in DC.

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  • Hey Obaaaama...you scared yet? lol

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  • Actually, I would prefer the Fed to be concerned about US, Rather than US concerned about the Fed.

    We should not be afraid of our Governement. It should be afraid of US.

    IMHO, that is kinda the point of the 2nd Ammendment.

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  • Fear propaganda.

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  • a big group of ... two !??!

    liberal harum-scarum

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  • I wonder why though, the feds aren't concerned about the "new" black panther groups, who AGAIN were caught intimidating voters at polling stations?

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  • gee, what about Obama's buddies in the weather underground(Bill Ares and his dirtbag wife) who sat arround casualy discussing rounding up and murdering 45 million americans who wouldn't go allong with the change. Oh no problem there!!

    Don't forget about the fact that the weird looking guy they interviewed from the Southern Poverty Law Center, is a communist. And the so called center that he's from is a known communist orginazation.

    This was aired just before the election, yet another exa More..

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  • when the brits robotically disarmed themselves at the behest of government, they sychophantically marched under perfectly fitting bowler hats with long and short guns in hand handed the menacing machines over to civil servants. they did it because the government feared leftist, bolshevic style street unrest, not anything from the right. here, the pukes in washington fear the right, who will never make disarmament easy!

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  • Result of 2 party system

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