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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/nov/03/london-gun-crime-shootings-rise

Teenage boys with cheap guns involved in 'respect shootings' to blame for increase, say experts

Sir Paul Stephenson, the commissioner of the Metropolitan police. Photograph: Dominic Lipinski/PA Wire Photograph: Dominic Lipinski/PA

Shooting incidents in London have almost doubled compared with the same period last year, prompting grave concerns that gun crime in some areas is out of control.

Scotland Yard has admitted a 17% rise in overall firearms offences, although the Metropolitan police chief, Sir Paul Stephenson, has put that down to a blip.

Stephenson last week dropped a plan to put routine armed patrols on the streets, saying that although gun crime had risen it was still lower than two years ago and he was not willing to sanction such a dramatic departure from the principle of unarmed policing. However, the true scale of the increases is contained in figures being presented on Thursday to the Metropolitan police authority.

They reveal that the number of actual shootings has almost doubled from 123 to 236 in the last six months compared with the same period last year, a rise of 91.8%. Serious firearms offences have risen by 47% across the capital.

Those discharging the firearms and those being shot at are young teenagers involved in "respect shootings" to settle petty disputes with little thought of the consequences, say police and community leaders. More and more such shootings involve a gunshot to the leg, echoing the punishment attacks meted out in Northern Ireland. Detectives say that pointing a gun at the shin or knee is a deliberate tactic to avoid any chance the victim will die, risking a 30-year mandatory sentence.

Those working at local level in the capital say the number of incidents reported is only a fraction of what is taking place.

"Gun crime has never gone away," said the Rev Les Isaac, who works as a street pastor in south London. "Firearms are being discharged more or less on a daily basis in some parts of London."

He added: "Those using the guns have got younger. These children are unpredictable, they have access to guns and they are willing to use them."

Instead of relatively expensive guns from eastern Europe, the past weapon of choice, the younger perpetrators are using cheaper shotguns and converted handguns as they are easier to procure and ammunition is more readily available.

The figures contrast with those nationally, where gun crime is still falling in known hotspots. On Merseyside, gun crime is down by 27%; nationally, firearms offences have fallen by 5%.

Pastor Nims Obunge, a member of the independent advisory panel that works with Trident – the Met unit that investigates gang shootings – said the motives of the perpetrators had changed.

"We are not just dealing with drug turf wars here. We are talking about young teenagers who no longer use their fists to settle disputes. They say, 'I can get access to a gun, why would I not use it?'"

Joanne McCartney, Labour spokeswoman on policing on the London Assembly, said: "It is extremely concerning and what I'd like to see is some more information on the age of the young people involved. We need to ask whether there has to be a shift in resources and whether the focus which was on knife crime has now to be moved to gun crime."

Part of the increase in firearms offences in north London was caused by a Turkish gang war which led to three fatal shootings as two groups fought for supremacy. But in other areas the explosion of firearms incidents is harder to explain, or to tackle.

"Where you once had a set of gangs in a particular area which you could define, now we are seeing these broken down into further divisions with several smaller groups forming in particular housing estates all with their own rivalries," said Isaac.

Cressida Dick, assistant commissioner specialist crime, admits the figures are disturbing. "The increase in firearms discharges has continued to be a matter of grave concern," she writes in her report to the MPA committee.

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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Gun-culture-spreads-to-NCR/articleshow/5201880.cms

NEW DELHI: Just the other day, Himanshu Sharma had an argument with a petrol pump manager and was shot at by the guard. On September 29, two Delhi
residents were shot at in Faridabad when they had gone to a restaurant for dinner and had an altercation over parking.

There is suddenly an alarming rise in the use of firearms in the city. Guns are being pulled out on the slightest provocation — as TOI reported recently, a young man whipped out a gun to clear a traffic snarl at the Gurgaon expressway toll gate.

The spurt in guns in the capital and its adjoining areas has got the police worried. It’s a bigger menace than thought with illegal firearms coming into the capital and possession of guns becoming disconcertingly common. Two IIT students suffered bullet injuries during an altercation between a petrol pump guard and a man in Madhu Vihar area of east Delhi on August 25 this year. Gangs such as Bunty’s (who was killed in an encounter last year), the police discovered, were often pulling the trigger just for fun.

The use of guns has been going up. This year (see box) there were 175 instances of firearms being used in criminal cases; last year there were 161. The police say that the gun culture has not just grown in the capital, but even more alarmingly in the NCR towns of Faridabad, Gurgaon , Noida and Ghaziabad.

The police recently arrested Manish Kumar, a 26-yearold graduate from Bihar, with 14 sophisticated weapons. He had apparently been supplying firearms to NCR for past one year and the family had built two bungalows in Munger from the money earned from the arms trade. Kumar reportedly told police that he had sold more than 200 guns to criminals in Delhi and NCR through his contacts in past one year.

Additional CP (crime and railways) Neeraj Thakur said, "The weapons seized from Manish were made in Munger. The accused used to get these weapons assembled in Munger after getting its components manufactured from different parts in Bihar. Each weapon was sold for anything between Rs 30,000 and Rs 50,000."

The seizure made this year by Delhi Police has also shown a spiral in illegal firearms seized — 300 this year as compared to 230 weapons last year, till October 15. Apart from providing firearms, the cops say that they are facing hurdles to stop the flow of ammunition.

"The problem is due to easy availability of guns, both licensed and unlicensed," says an official at Control Arms Foundation of India (CAFI).


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  • What England needs to do is give back law abiding citizens' guns. Oh wait, they destroyed them. Fucking bastards. The Labour parties members each need to be dragged by a vehicle to a guillotine. Seeing Gordon Browns fat stupid looking face on a pike would possibly be the most satisfying thing I would ever see in my life. Ah but I can dream about it at least.

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  • The British should just ban guns. That will take care of the problem. Oh wait...

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  • Glad those gun laws are working. Who knows how bad they would be if people could defend themselves from these criminals who obtain guns illegally anyhow.

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  • Suckers. Gun control at its best. Now what? The legit citizens will never get their guns back. What a bunch of pussies.

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  • Empirical proof that gun control doesn't work, which ought to be obvious.

    Criminals don't obey gun laws.

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  • How are those gun control laws working out for you guys? Americans, take heed!!

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    • We're fine with unarmed police , so are the cops . We have armed response units , a few more probably needed . It's not the cops being shot at usually , so the response teams can deal with it as the twat's usually dead anyway , and it is mostly the right arseholes getting it . But it is on the rise , and for the stupidest of reasons they're being used , it's not for turf but insults and shit .

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    • I just saw a news report about even more armed patrols needed as gun violence INCREASES dramatically in the UK.

      This while people are prevented from defending themselves.

      Suckers.

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    • boobie monster is correct. Its an extortion racket atm. Do you think we'd of gone into Iraq and Assholistan if the public had firearms?

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  • Simple solution: better parents.

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  • I would surmise that 95% of gun crime in the UK, especially in cities, is committed by immigrants and minorities.

    But hey, who's counting?

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  • So they finally figured out that double barrelled shotguns can fire twice as many shots than before.

    Lets ban shotguns now, the police are outgunned with thier automatic battlefield polymer gripped collapsable should stock 9mm bannana clipped weapons.

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  • You guys who point a finger at the UK on gun crimes and laws make me want to puke.

    You are being myopic. Check out are gun crimes compared to your country. You will have a shock coming to you.

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  • Tight gun laws don't prevent gun crime? No way. England has gun laws tight as a drum, yet people persist in finding ways to shoot each other. Here's an idea, stop deliberately fucking people around, from cradle to grave. The English are most correct and proper, to the point of over-the-top. Maybe if you are less anal about letting people be who they want to be, crimes will die down.

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  • Who cares.. let the monkies shoot each other.

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