Winning hearts and minds in Afghanistan can be uphill work, as US soldiers attached to Task Force Catamount discovered when they visited the remote village of Mamadi in Paktika province, near the Pakistan border.
"It seems to always be this way when we go there. No one wants anything to do with us," the mission report's author complained sadly. Nor does the Mamadi patrol's experience appear to be untypical.
The report, circulated by US military intelligence in April 2007, is one of numerous accounts of attempted bridge-building contained in the classified war logs and examined by the Guardian. The material offers an unprecedented insight into the gaping cultural and societal gulfs encountered by US troops trying to win grassroots support for the west's vision of a peaceful, developing, united Afghanistan.
The purpose of the Mamadi visit, reassuringly termed a "non-combat event", was to meet local leaders and distribute food and other assistance. But things started badly when a Humvee broke down, the road turned muddy and the weather deteriorated. To be safe, half the patrol of 29 US servicemen plus Afghan army personnel stayed with the Humvee. The rest went on to Mamadi.
Their reception there is distinctly unenthusiastic. The children mostly stay indoors. The village elder is described as "a very disgruntled man" who does not want American handouts. "He personally blamed George Bush for his AK-47 being taken from him. He doesn't want us to give stuff to his village because of fear from the enemy punishing him. He did say he would take the money, though," the report said.
A talk with a 30-year-old male villager with black hair and "skinny" build is similarly uninspiring. "Not very outgoing, [he] sits on the edge of the conversation and just listens to what is going on." It transpires that the man's silence may be connected to his prior detention for "involvement with IEDs". He was sacked by the Afghan army for the same offence.
After a curtailed stay, the patrol hands out 30 sweaters, 30 backpacks, 10 bags of beans and 10 bags of rice then departs. Back at base, the anonymous author reaches a surprising conclusion: "The mission in Mamadi was success." But this seems to be largely because they fixed the Humvee. "The village of Mamadi is definitely anti-coalition. They want nothing to do with US or ANA [Afghan national army] forces. Nothing further to report."
Soldiers from Task Force Diablo were dispatched a month earlier to "provide relief to citizens [of Kharwar district in eastern Logar province] affected by winter weather and build trust between the ANP [Afghan national police] and government and the local populace". They also came away discouraged, according to a war logs report. "As we walked through the bazaar, there were no shop doors open and few people peeked out from behind windows or curtains … The impression was of walking into a trap/ambush … There were several dead dogs inside the ANP compound and throughout the town. Also, there was human faeces everywhere without regard for foot traffic or modesty. Several of the bunkers and trenches had obviously been used as latrines," the report said.
Attempts to collect "humint" (human intelligence) were "virtually fruitless". A "leader engagement" tea party goes awry when two senior Afghan police officers get into an argument. One of them, the district chief of police, admits he has recently met the local Taliban leadership but refuses to identify them or reveal any information. Amid a "heated discussion" involving a crowd of policemen, the Americans hastily withdraw by helicopter.
The report concludes with a wryly approving note about an Afghan gunner "who apparently spends his nights on the megaphone, talking to the Taliban, taunting them and telling them what a good shot he is. At least one person in Kharwar understands psy-ops [psychological operations]".
A report from the Sharana military-led provincial reconstruction team (PRT) in July 2007 also points to problems with the benchmark coalition policy of reinforcing tribal structures fractured by decades of internecine fighting, warlordism and foreign intervention. The idea of a national government running the country from Kabul also seems to lack popular appeal.
Asked why tribal elders expect the US to pay them for their attendance at shuras [consultations], Mirajudin Miraj, director of tribal affairs in Paktika province, tells PRT members there are three reasons. "First, the people have no education, so they are not able to reason when someone tells them to kill someone or plant an IED for money … Second, they have no patriotism for Afghanistan. Third, after 30 years of war, they have a culture of expecting things to be provided to them … Currently, people will do anything for money, even if it means killing CF [coalition forces] or ANSF [Afghan national security forces]."
Just to drive home his point, Miraj tells his interlocutors that many people in his province think the Americans are working with the Taliban. "When asked how people could think this, he said there was no way the CF could not find the Taliban and defeat them if the CF were really trying, as the CF has superior technology."
Some of the intelligence reports seem to border on wishful thinking. One American dismounted patrol visits Nengaresh village in Nuristan province, witnessing the first day back at school.
Teachers talk to them about security – they want a wall built around the school – and about the curriculum. "They were very interested in getting a map of the United States. They have maps of most of Europe, Asia and Africa, but none of the Americas. They were all very friendly and seemed to be interested to talk with us." Yet all is not sweetness and light. "Some of the children were throwing rocks at the soldiers outside the school. This all appeared to be in good fun, not in a hateful manner."
On another occasion, when an apparent suicide bomber is intercepted at Shiva bus station in the Kuz Kunar district of Nangarhar province, it is Afghan rather than American innocence that seems most striking. The bomber turns out to be an elderly woman named Hasan Tari. Improbably, she is wearing a suicide vest under her burqa. But the batteries for detonation are not connected and there are none of the usual ball bearings and shrapnel.
When questioned, the woman denies any evil intent. She explains "she was only transporting the vest to its intended user in Jalalabad whose name she did not give". Afghans are friendly people. And she personally would never dream of blowing anybody up.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/26/us-battle-hearts-minds-afghanistan
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Nuke the place.
Posted Jul-27-2010 Bysmeblee (11022.30)

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They will do a lot better when they stop trying to
win hearts and minds,and start killing every fucking thing that moves.That's the only way to win a war,and
it makes not one bit of difference what canada,europe,
or anyone else thinks.If we are not going to fight to
win,then shut this bitch down and come home.Now. I
could care less what happens to afganistan,pakistan,
or any other backwards-ass stan. They ain't worth one
American Soldier dying.Cheers.
Posted Jul-27-2010 Bygmccuiston (687.08) gmccuiston View Channel Send Message
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Agree. We stopped winning wars when we stopped trying to win wars.
Posted Jul-27-2010 ByDarioInfini (208.64) 
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You mean, do like the Wehrmacht did? Scorched earth policy, Oradour-sur-glane, executing hostages? Kill everyone who is not a G.I.?
Tell you what, the Germans thought of themselves as superior Aryans, just like you appear to think that an american life is worth more than the lives of the people whose land the U.S. fights in.
But of course this is but a misunderstanding on my part, right?
Posted Jul-28-2010 ByUac_mitun_ahau (236.72) Uac_mitun_ahau View Channel Send Message
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What is if we deal with you with the same intention...You do know that there a lot of Muslims living in your land and your interests in the region are too close to us.
The U.S forces didnt came here to help anyone. They came here to invade and destory but now since war has made them spent so much and without any positive results, another excuse arisese...winning hearts an mind !
Why dont you just ask them to let you leave the region without being killed !
Posted Jul-28-2010 Byhummer101 (332.66) 
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Not wanting to be harsh, but I think most knew deep down all along that the Americans just don't have the sophistication and skills to win a war like this.
Proven categorically in Vietnam.
What's changed is the incredible lack of critical reporting in the media on both war aims and tactics.
Its a shame because failure to win here will be a terrible blow to US power in the medium term
Posted Jul-27-2010 ByElegantDecline (2131.48) 
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who cares, the arms industry sure doesnt. theyll make profit as long as theres conflicts.
Posted Jul-27-2010 Bywuschii (116.92) wuschii View Channel Send Message
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I don't want to be harsh either,but if we need advice,
it probably won't be from The Islamic Republic of
England.You would think that a man of your vast
knowledge,would be able to improve the shit hole you
call home.It's been so long since england had any
real power,or influence that they really don't
matter,except to the muslims that preach violence
in your streets,while getting benefits from your
government.Peace
Posted Jul-27-2010 Bygmccuiston (687.08) gmccuiston View Channel Send Message
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True, military/industrial complex is laughing to the bank
Posted Jul-27-2010 ByElegantDecline (2131.48) 
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Never compare yourselves to us.
England has a 2000 year history, you have a 200 year history.
Our Empire was the largest the world's seen and was built on the tip of the bayonet.
Yours, which only exists due to the elan of my ancestors has only lasted a couple decades is already in decline, and will be a footnote in history in the list of Great global powers.
You clearly need all the advice you can get judging by Afghanistan, where it looks like you'll be negotiating with the Taliban soon, the More..
Posted Jul-27-2010 ByElegantDecline (2131.48) 
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It's not sophistication and skill that it takes to win a modern war.
It's the ability to kill without mercy.
To stop the political correctness.
History has proven that you cannot win a war unless you totally anihilate the other side.
This we are fully capeable of doing.
This particular case involves two cultures that cannot co-exist together.
You cannot do a surgical war.
As the world population expands further and chokes off the resources it takes to support them, it will eventually hap More..
Posted Jul-28-2010 Byjim_a49 (338.36) 
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not villagers, I meant troops...
stupid no edit buttons!
Posted Jul-27-2010 Byqwerty42 (632.72) 
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You will loose that war
With piles of dead civilians.
That's just a guess though...
*War is hell haiku!*
Posted Jul-28-2010 ByThe_Riddler (119.84) 
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I have seen many video of afghan themselves being helped by villagers.... they are certainly helping a lot of Afghans.
That goes with teaching new skills too, like agriculture and sustainable farming.
Posted Jul-27-2010 Byqwerty42 (632.72) 
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So, writing this means, us in the west can not win this war? Then that really means, the west can not win any war in the future ever, because failer of hearts of minds. Started with Vietnam (Anti-War protestors). May as well consider us wimpy. Taliban give threats to their own "Anyone working with the infadels will be delt with", and it is working better than what we feel, which I consider weird.
Posted Jul-28-2010 ByThunderBlt (216.62) 
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This is not a conventional war... as you saw with russia and georgia. Any full on war is decided very fast... In Afghanistan there are so many things that go against the US and the coalition winning at home and away because of bullshit. I just hope one major thing triggers off and the US go gun ho. They have too...no one would stop them if they went all out. people would just watch and threaten. just like when israel fucked up palestine... it seemed to be wrong but no one stopped them. n More..
Posted Jul-28-2010 Byacidcasual (260.40) 
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Well we all know that if you push a psycho into a corner he will unleash before you know it. When this war gets into its final stages The US will just bomb the fuck out of anything. And no I dont mean civilians but in war there have always been a last ditch effort by one side which could still make a massive impact.
I can only hope that we get the momentum to fuck the up once and for all. come on
Posted Jul-28-2010 Byacidcasual (260.40) 
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Talis ain't got no mind and their hearts are black as sin, ya cannot change a subhuman's way of life you can only end it.
Posted Jul-28-2010 Byapacheknife (241.16) apacheknife View Channel Send Message
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Wake up America
We are Infidels.
The Afgans are muslims.
The two do not mix.
These people have to evolve.
That is not going to happen until the religion is exposed.
That is not going to happen.
Get out
Posted Jul-27-2010 Byjim_a49 (338.36) 
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They need to be.
We need to instill rulings within the government, while letting people pray to whatever they want, to eliminate special priviliges to religions unless they can be proven.
I believe pixies are going to show up in the middle of the night and do my laundry and dishes, and I have faith that it will happen, but I have no right to ask for special consideration until they actually do..
Posted Jul-28-2010 Byjim_a49 (338.36) 
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screw hearts and minds. The US is there to kill taliban and AlQ. The population doesn't like it? Fine whatever. This is a war not a peacekeeping mission.
Posted Jul-28-2010 Bynewdogman (13.06) newdogman View Channel Send Message
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" the general ignorance of the americapopulace is crystal clear to every afghan."
That makes you sound like a supercilious twit.
There's all kinds of ignorant, fellow American. Even your kind...
Posted Jul-27-2010 Bypisscookie (213.26) 
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