For the sickos, I waited with posting untill it was in the save of the bank. I am not paranoid or dumb, just precautious Untill its value is determined and its auctioned its home is in the safe!!
So nothing to find at my place FYI. ;)
No shit, I have been cleaning and polishing for 20 hours easily. Only the gold and brass (handle and feet) parts.
I want to show it PLUS I have some questions..
Picture 1 and 2 were made after the first real cleaning. I did not clean the brass engraved plate and the silver dial and engravement ( dont want to destroy it and wipe off the paint in the engravements) the rest I made after realising it was real and solid. Nothing plated here. for sure!!
The jewellers only know about gold and jewelry. I also sent a specialist in London an email. this was the reply.. (lol)
"The case and dial ornaments are usually made of
brass, sometimes with a gold coloured lacquer applied. I do not believe the
ornaments on your clock are gold - they are made of brass. Brass like gold is a
soft metal so is also easily bent. Brass also polishes to a nice shine when
metal polish is used."
This version has brass obviously, only one I could find. ..
http://clocks-antique.com/clocks/mantel_clocks/kaminuhr_kleine_bracket1.htm
This is as shiny ass brass can get : http://www.debonoconsulting.com/images/six-value-medals-brass.JPG
Shiny is something else as reflecting light without loss of lumen strenght. I know how gold looks and feels like. It bends.. the exact same flexibility as the 20gr. gold bare I had. and the same bite. (these bares are also 24k)
A few months ago I found this http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=188_1340796500 (18.3 grams of gold 18k) and plate of the maker 1.6 grams € 4.75 but thats nothing now.. (you can see it in one of the pics) ;)
Almost a week ago at the same second hand store (yeah I love that shit)
I walked towards a shelf and an employee put this clock down. And I asked, only 5 euros? In perfect condition. but the gold looked like brass/bronze was so dirty..
"Yeah it doesnt tick and these are not attached. And she lifted one of the pineapples." (turned out to be a 24k solid piece of gold.) 3000+euros... loool and she put it back on.
http://www.debonoconsulting.com/images/six-value-medals-brass.JPG
It is ENGRAVED not built by thomas smith london, famous dude.. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Smith,_John_Thomas_(1766-1833)_(DNB00) very famous. alot to find.
--- "Who knows what the lady with the hawk (?) and sea anchor stands for?" ---
The pineapples stand for seafarers who put one in front of their door after a long journey to a faraway place. ( where they have pineapples ) hehe. My guess is that is belonged to some sea hero who has been places. Thats what the Dutch were famous for. .. probably for a VOC member/boss http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_East_India_Company these dudes had money..
I am looking fo more info. The mechanic inside is renewed app 40 ears ago. But that doesnt matter for these things. It is more the evgraver who is important on these custom made clocks I foubn ONE of the same model. See pic.. brass instead of gold. The clock stops ticking, and the bell rings when you move the time manually. Its walnut wood. the gold parts:
4xpineapple: 24k (99.9% pure gold!!) eacht 60 grams
4x triangle on plate also 24k each 30 grams
side ornaments (whitegold) palladium with gold ORT 18k. (not exaclty determined yet) 2x75 grams.
Is aprobably 30 grams a gram. 12000euro + 4500euro +4300euro. (approximately)
But its 230 years old.. so these prices are probably still a joke.
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Location: The hague, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands (load item map)
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Nice find ... be careful cleaning it .. sometimes it's the use and patina that adds the value
Posted Jul-31-2012 Byicehole666 (655.40) 
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@icehole666 Thanks man, I only delicately took the gold of and cleansed it.
Posted Jul-31-2012 ByNazel_Hut (3123.40) 
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Very cool find. Good luck with it.
Posted Jul-31-2012 Bytat2d (3227.48) 
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@tat2d Thanks man!
Posted Jul-31-2012 ByNazel_Hut (3123.40) 
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@Nazel_Hut My wife and I live in an "antique shop" ha ha ha.
We hit up shops, and auctions, constantly. Have for many many years. We have some found some very nice things over the years.
Posted Jul-31-2012 Bytat2d (3227.48) 
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You shouldn't have cleaned it.
Posted Jul-31-2012 Bymenomena (11.00) 
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@menomena I cleaned the gold, had to. noone believes me...
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/269/123haq.jpg/
Posted Aug-1-2012 ByNazel_Hut (3123.40) 
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You could always sell it to "Pawn Stars". I'm sure they'd give you a fair price. lol
Posted Jul-31-2012 ByTMoray1 (781.16) 
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Beautiful clock. Thanks for sharing :) Nice luck too if I understood it correctly.. cost you 5eu loL!!
Posted Jul-31-2012 ByN4CR (1018.20) 
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@N4CR jup 5 euros :S
Posted Jul-31-2012 ByNazel_Hut (3123.40) 
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Its a beautiful piece, but you should be careful about polishing antiques. In some cases that can actually reduces the value.
Posted Jul-31-2012 Bydmarlow310 (134.60) dmarlow310 View Channel Send Message
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@dmarlow310 I only polished the gold ;) I took it of first. Thanks for the info anyway.
Posted Jul-31-2012 ByNazel_Hut (3123.40) 
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@Nazel_Hut thats what he's talking about though, polishing any part of it can sometimes reduce the value
Posted Jul-31-2012 ByOlDutch (172.40) 
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@OlDutch I know, but gold is expensive.. mainlycoz it shines.. you can do anything with the gold as long as you dont touch the rest. But thanks for the tips!
Posted Aug-1-2012 ByNazel_Hut (3123.40) 
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"For the sickos, I waited with posting untill its in the save of the bank. I am nor paranoid or dumb.
Untill its value is determined and its auctioned its in the safe!!"
Liveleakers are not thieves. But thatnks for telling us at least which city you're in. I would not have cleaned it for 20 hours. If valuable, you could have done more damage if you don't know what you're doing...
Posted Jul-31-2012 Bythe_MEK (723.30) 
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@the_MEK I have a ll stalker who found my name and work out.
Posted Jul-31-2012 ByNazel_Hut (3123.40) 
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Damn man that's scary as hell. Found out where you work at? That's crazy shit and not cool not cool at all!
Posted Jul-31-2012 ByBlklight (2005.86) 
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@Blklight @the_MEK he is gone now.. "hm84" I have my account revived. I deleted it. now he made this one using my name again http://www.liveleak.com/c/Gay_Giso
Posted Jul-31-2012 ByNazel_Hut (3123.40) 
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Damn heymaker did that? What the hell? I knew he was unhinged but not stalking level. Glad you're ok though man but yeah that was pretty low for that guy
Posted Jul-31-2012 ByBlklight (2005.86) 
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fyi, gold doesn't tarnish
Posted Jul-31-2012 ByPunch_The_Monkey (1159.98) 
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@Punch_The_Monkey It became dirty... Must have been a LONG time ago.. Maybe its from 100 years back since last cleaning. the engraver is a famous Brit. he did this work 4 years. must have been around 1780.
Posted Jul-31-2012 ByNazel_Hut (3123.40) 
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@Punch_The_Monkey It can develop a patina.
Posted Jul-31-2012 ByTMoray1 (781.16) 
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@RugOutFromUnderYou If I didn't know it was all staged I would say the pawn boys were the idiots but they are laughing all the way to the bank twice daily to deposit their TV earnings, who would buy a tenth of the shit they shell out money for...
Posted Jul-31-2012 Bykillingforgod (734.90) killingforgod View Channel Send Message
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Dude, before you polish anything that old take it to a professional. Seen too many times where people have ruined antiques by cleaning the age off them. Think they are cleaning it up and end up devaluing it by half or more.
Posted Jul-31-2012 By-stile- (704.00) 
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@-stile- I've heard the same thing before about antiques, patina can be a good thing
Posted Jul-31-2012 ByOlDutch (172.40) 
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sorry, made in China, circa 2010
Posted Aug-1-2012 ByJake_Sully (522.24) 
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@Jake_Sully Well than I will melt the gold.. its tested. It cab only be 99.9% pure,, 24k..
I have to travel to a lab.. But no man.. Sothebys allready sent mew an email adres from their clocks dude. I will let you know :)
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only pullin ya tit, good luck :)
Posted Aug-4-2012 ByJake_Sully (522.24) 
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@Jake_Sully Thanks man, Its just confirmed its authentic..(1780) google Thomas Smith london, he is the engraver. its sick man.. sothebys and Christies are going to fight over it :)
Even if you would be twisting my nipple,. I dont care :D
Posted Aug-4-2012 ByNazel_Hut (3123.40) 
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honestly i dont think cleaning it yourself was a good idea, best left to experts. great find though, very happy for you! great stuff.
Posted Jul-31-2012 Bymonkey fcker (267.48) monkey fcker View Channel Send Message
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For the love of god, this guy is pulling your leg.
First of all, unless it was a super custom job, nobody and I mean, nobody made these small devices out of any precious metals. Silver perhaps but that´s about it.
Someone super wealthy bought the large ones that are 2m tall.
But regardless, the main point that tells you this guy is full of shit is that he claims it was made around 1780 and that it contains palladium.
Well since palladium was discovered first in 1803 I find it a tad hard for s More..
Posted Jul-31-2012 ByKongored (152.30) 
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@Kongored I have realised it is indeed also gold. but because of the yellowness of the other gold it looked like silver mixed with gold.
Only the yellow stuff is pure. 24k.
http://imageshack.us/g/155/cidca60c060077d4c498871.jpg/
Posted Jul-31-2012 ByNazel_Hut (3123.40) 
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@DirtyUncleBerty I cant tell yet .. i compared on this site for example.. and none of them has full golden parts http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/18866/
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@DirtyUncleBerty I couldnt even convince the first jeweller. he looked at it.. they dont make stuff from pure gold. when I said clock he laughed at me and ave it back. the auctionist from uk also didnt believe it. So I made these newer pics just sent them ;)
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@Nazel_Hut are you sure they are gold? how would someone verify they are or are not gold?
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