Ever since the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee voted in favor of holding Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt last week, the Left has been conducting a public relations push to downplay operation “Fast and Furious” and convince Americans that the failed gunrunning initiative was actually started under former President George W. Bush under the name “Wide Receiver.”
(Related: New MSNBC Host: ‘I Don’t Really Think’ Fast and Furious Is a Scandal)
(Related: Reason’s Nick Gillespie Blasts Rachel Maddow, Bill Maher Over Fast and Furious Partisanship)
The insinuation is that Fast and Furious is somehow a continuation of the Bush-era operation. The only problem with that theory is that it’s not true.
White House Press Secretary Jay Carney (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)
Even White House Press Secretary Jay Carney last week attempted to shift the blame from Holder and the Obama administration and onto the Bush administration.
“Everything has been provided to — congressional investigators and that is really the issue, isn’t it? It is how did this operation come about. It originated in a field office during the previous administration. It was ended under this administration by this attorney general,” Carney said during a presser last week.
But even the laziest of fact-checks would prove his assertion wrong.
In no way does that excuse the Bush administration from allowing a poorly-planned operation to proceed. However, the differences between the two operations are stark and should be considered.
(1) First and foremost, operation Wide Receiver did not result in the death of a U.S. Border Patrol agent or an Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officer. Fast and Furious did. The guns that ultimately killed Border Patrol agent Brian Terry and ICE officer Jamie Zapata were traced back to straw purchasers related to Fast and Furious. Zapata’s family filed a wrongful death suit against the U.S. Justice Department last week.
Further, officials have confirmed that the guns from Fast and Furious have already killed hundreds of Mexican citizens and Holder has said on the record that they will likely kill many more. The total number of confirmed deaths so far from Wide Receiver: Zero.
(2) Second, Wide Receiver, though flawed, was more of a gun-tracing operation than a gun-walking program. Gun-tracing involves putting specific safeguards in place to track firearms, such as RFID chips perhaps with video or aerial surveillance. Gun-walking is what happened in Fast and Furious, where ATF agents sold thousands of guns without a reliable way to recover them, apparently just hoping for the best.
Some of the guns from Wide Receiver were implanted with RFID chips and were actively tracked electronically. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) in Phoenix also implemented aerial surveillance tactics in an attempt to follow the weapons.
However, problems reportedly arose due to poorly implanted RFID chips which were forced into the guns, bending the antennas and decreasing their effectiveness. Cartels and straw purchasers also eventually came up with creative ways to shake tracking maneuvers and overhead surveillance, such as driving in loops for hours until surveillance planes had to refuel.
Those in charge of Fast and Furious took no similar steps to strengthen their chances of recovering walked guns other than recording the serial numbers before watching them disappear in the hands of Mexican drug cartels.
In fact, ATF agents involved in Fast and Furious have previously testified that they were ordered to stand down and not track the weapons even when interdiction was possible and instead “took notes” and let the guns walk across the Mexico border. Watch some of ATF whistleblower John Dodson’s Congressional testimony:
(3) Third, one must take into account the size and scope of the operations.
Speaking to members of the Senate Judiciary Committee earlier this month, Holder said that “three hundred guns” were allowed to “walk” (although note the difference between “tracing” and “walking” above) in Wide Receiver. While there is no evidence that suggests otherwise, the figure is dwarfed by the approximately 2,000 firearms that walked in Fast and Furious. Roughly 1,400 guns were lost and about 700 have been recovered in Mexico and at crime scenes like the sites of Terry and Zapata’s murders.
U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder answers questions while testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Capitol Hill June 12, 2012 in Washington, DC. (Photo by Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)
(4) Perhaps the most convincing piece of evidence proving the two operations are separate from each other is the fact that Wide Receiver was shut down in 2007 shortly after it was clear the program was a failure. This was before Obama was even in office and nearly two years before Fast and Furious began.
Fast and Furious wasn’t shut down until late 2010 after the deaths of hundreds of Mexicans, a border agent and an ICE officer.
(5) Finally, unlike Fast and Furious, officials involved in Wide Receiver were reportedly in close contact with Mexican authorities during the operation, though how involved Mexican officials were is not entirely known.
What is known is that Mexican authorities were kept completely in the dark during Fast and Furious, according to the Mexican ambassador to the U.S. Mexico. He announced on June 1, 2012, that Mexico would be launching its own probe into Fast and Furious.
It should be perfectly clear that both the Bush and Obama administration conducted two separate, flawed operations. One, however, was a much deadlier and larger operation.
If there is evidence of wrongdoing, or false testimony related to operation Wide Receiver, those responsible should be held accountable. But the argument that Fast and Furious is all about “politics” and should just be swept under the rug because the previous administration also carried out a similar program is irresponsible.
A contempt resolution will be considered by the full House of Representatives this week. If lawmakers decide to hold the attorney general in contempt, it will be a first in U.S. history for a sitting attorney general.
By: aranger45
In: Politics
Tags: The, 5, Biggest, Differences, Between, Operation, Fast, and, Furious, and, Operation, Wide, Receiver
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Nice read Aranger45, It's too bad the resident liberals will never be able to see the facts that are presented here.
They will blindly defend their chosen messiah and his cronies until this country goes over the cliff.
Fools!
Posted Jun-26-2012 Byaussite (1798.90) 
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@aussite Uh... hi. I'm a resident liberal. I believe Holder should be held to account for every single one of the Mexican and American lives claimed by Fast & Furious. Most liberals I know feel the same way.
What now?
Posted Jun-26-2012 Byhellgremlin (763.12) hellgremlin Send Message
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@hellgremlin So you've come to your senses about the liberal messiah.
Good for you, you're learning.
Posted Jun-26-2012 Byaussite (1798.90) 
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Right? If it were a Republican they'd be saying "Hey it's a tough job with allot involved, and if people die in the process it's part of the operation".
Like they did for 8 years during the Bush Admin. Of course Neocons have conveniently forgotten that.
Posted Jun-26-2012 ByLoomfries (221.66) 
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@Loomfries And here I thought elephants never forget :p
Posted Jun-26-2012 Byhellgremlin (763.12) hellgremlin Send Message
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Haaaha, I see what you did there.
Posted Jun-26-2012 ByLoomfries (221.66) 
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Find your Representative: http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
Dear Congressman ____________,
I am upset over the lack of transparency with regards to the AG's failed "Fast and Furious" program. By all accounts I see no other option than to demand from Pres. Obama a full disclosure of the facts. Executive privilege is not a right guaranteed to the president under our Constitution and should not be used as a cloak to hide mistakes or crimes.
The stench of this smells like Wate More..
Posted Jun-26-2012 ByUSA1 (3680.74) 
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This post is dead-on.
In Wide Receiver, Mexican law enforcement officials were aware of US intentions, tracking devices were used in the guns, and the program was shut down as soon as signs of trouble arose.
Liberals are trying to draw parallels between the two programs to share the blame, but this one is on Holder, Obama, and the DOJ.
Posted Jun-26-2012 Bycswartz (1143.50) 
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They got the guns back unlike obunga and company allowing them to go to use in their lies to boost gun crime #'s that the problem was so bad in the US it crossed national border. Think about that folks they allowed the guns to go to Mexico to create the illusion things were so bad now another nation was being affected!! To undermine the 2nd amendment, gun manufacturers, sellers and owners! Someone explain to me how this isnt treason?
Posted Jun-26-2012 Byaa316 (608.92) aa316 View Channel Send Message
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@aa316
"Someone explain to me how this isnt treason?"
Because no one has the balls to stand up and say it
Posted Jun-26-2012 Byaranger45 (2989.48) 
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@aa316
To this date they have not recovered all of the guns. Also, like special agent Dobson explained, they're only recovered after they have been used in their final crime and are left at the scene.
Posted Jun-26-2012 Byrugbybloke25 (314.22) 
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@aranger45 If I thought I could win Id run for Congress b/c I would be the one calling it out. But since Im not rich an avg "Joe" beat up by the system I know Id have no chance. I dont have a law degree but have a business degree I have had more failures in my life than success that alone gives me the knowledge to know what works and what doesnt work. I know Id use a copy of the Constitution in one hand and a calculator in the other in my ads though!
Posted Jun-26-2012 Byaa316 (608.92) aa316 View Channel Send Message
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@aranger45
No explanation necessary.
Obama is a Treasonous POS!
Posted Jun-26-2012 ByArizona_Patriot (3118.66) 
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@aa316
sorry but you don't have a chance!! You seem like to honest of a person
Posted Jun-26-2012 Byaranger45 (2989.48) 
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By Associated Press, Updated: Tuesday, June 26, 1:26 PM
WASHINGTON — Now that the politically potent National Rifle Association is keeping score, some Democrats may join House Republicans if there’s a vote to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress in a dispute over documents related to a botched gun-tracking operation.
The chief Democratic House head counter, Rep. Steny Hoyer of Maryland, declined to tell reporters how many defections he expected, but acknowledged that More..
Posted Jun-26-2012 ByArizona_Patriot (3118.66) 
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Just imagine about the operations we don't know about....
Posted Jun-26-2012 ByKingVolcano (259.90) 
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@KingVolcano SCAREY THOUGHT AIN'T IT?
Posted Jun-26-2012 ByDFTERC (517.30) 
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It's ridiculous that it even has to be explained that the two operations aren't alike. The sad part is that liberals are so myopic and ready to grasp at any straws, that they refuse to see cold hard facts. They somehow think that making up a fictional comparison to the Bush op and the Obama op is some sort of justification for a pile of 300 dead mexicans and a patriotic Border Patrol agent. Good luck with that, also good luck with the charges being compiled against Obama from the Mexican gove More..
Posted Jun-26-2012 ByRoccoSantoro (506.20) 
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The intelligent and informed public understands the differences. Sadly, the intelligent and informed are a minority of the voting population in the country.
Posted Jun-26-2012 Byjoe prole (1653.50) 
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@joe prole THAT REALLY IS THE SADEST PART
Posted Jun-26-2012 ByDFTERC (517.30) 
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The whole thing was probably a botched attempt at causing a catalyst for an assault weapon ban or more gun control.
Idiots don't realize since firearm ownership has skyrocketed, the crime rate has plummeted.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/preliminary-annual-ucr-jan-dec-2011
Sorry gun grabbing lefties, you lose again.
Posted Jun-26-2012 ByURmomsOBGYN (525.20) 
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LOL and the conspiracies start to come out.
It was a huge failure by the ATF under Holder and Obama. They thought they had it handled and could do better than Bush's Wide Receiver baseline. They didn't realize they couldn't even control it at first and by the time shit went down, it was too late.
Posted Jun-26-2012 ByLoomfries (221.66) 
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@Loomfries
I think you are correct!! However now they are tryng to cover it up and white wash and blame Bush for all the illegal activities
Posted Jun-26-2012 Byaranger45 (2989.48) 
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And yes the cover ups are not helping this Administration all. Sad thing is if the agents wouldnt have dieded, I don't think this would have come to fruition. Now they got explaining to do, families to pay off and an operation against the cartels that now cannot happen due to this failure.
Posted Jun-26-2012 ByLoomfries (221.66) 
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If I could have been assured that these weapons were used to slaughter liberals, then I really don't see any crime here. Honestly, they are the only political party hell bent on bringing this country to its knees (a place they are very familiar with). But since some normal people were victims, I say go to the top of the heap, grab the four or five degenerates in our government that came up with this plan, and allow them to swing from a tree on a windy day with their hands tied behind the backs. More..
Posted Jun-26-2012 ByBullsOnParadeNYC (301.20) 
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Ohh and now because they are having their balls nailed to the wall with no way out they are making like the contempt of Congress on Holder is really race driven and about voter suppression.. hey dems liberals, progressives race hustlers etc FUCK YOU!!
Judgement day is coming for you all.. you are pure evil though and through
Posted Jun-26-2012 Byaa316 (608.92) aa316 View Channel Send Message
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Good post. Yes Holder must go.
Posted Jun-26-2012 ByNagold (192.98) 
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Great post...
Love the comments of the LL libs ... they now think Holder should be held accountable.
LMAO.
Voted
Posted Jun-26-2012 ByDontTreadOnMe2 (296.70) 
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@DontTreadOnMe2 - Arizona citizens are mostly to blame. Check out their gun laws and see how difficult it is to build ANY case of illegal gun purchases.
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Posted Jun-26-2012 ByUSA1 (3680.74) 
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Just goes to show why we don't need our government to control any aspect of our personal lives. Republicans and Democrats can fuck shit up on a equal basis so why do we bother voting for either?
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