As Scots eye a diminished UK, separatists across Europe wonder if they can make Italy, Spain and Belgium forgotten nations.
Paul AmesJanuary 12, 2012 17:35
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A view of a derelict
cottage with free Scotland graffiti written on the gable end wall on
January 10, 2012 in Bannockburn, Scotland. The Scottish First Minister
has indicated that the Scottish National Party plans to hold its
referendum on Scottish independence in 2014 on the 700th anniversary of
the Battle of Bannockburn. Prime Minister David Cameron and his
coalition government, wants the vote on the referendum to be held sooner
rather than later. (Jeff J Mitchell/AFP/Getty Images)
BRUSSELS, Belgium — A hefty volume called “Vanished Kingdoms,” has been one of this season’s literary successes in Europe.
The book, by British historian Norman Davies, tells the story of states
that no longer exist, but thatwere once major players in the history of
Europe; places like Aragon, Prussia, Savoy or Burgundy. It’s easy to
see why Davies’ supposition — that the glory of states and empires — is
essentially transient is resonating among citizens of today’s Europe.
Wheels were put in motion this week to give Scottish citizens the
chance to vote on independence from the United Kingdom of Great Britain
and Northern Ireland by the fall of 2014.
Separatists around Europe will be looking at the Scottish example and
wondering if they can add the likes of Italy, Spain and Belgium to the
list of Europe’s forgotten nations.
Scotland’s elected First Minister Alex Salmond plans a referendum to
reverse the 1707 Act of Union with England. He calls the upcoming vote,
“the most important decision for Scotland in 300 years.”
His Scottish Nationalist Party is the biggest in the Scottish
Parliament, winning 45 percent in elections last year on a campaign
ticket that included a pledge to hold the independence vote.
Across the North Sea, the New Flemish Alliance wants independence for
the prosperous, Dutch-speaking north of Belgium; it emerged as the
country’s biggest party in 2010.
The Northern League, which once campaigned to divide Italy, is the
third largest party in Rome’s Chamber of Deputies, while nationalist
parties dominate parliaments in the Catalonia and Basque regions of
Spain.
The regional president of Madeira Island threatened last year to break
away from Portugal and tensions have grown between the Danish government
and independence-minded authorities in the north Atlantic Faroe
Islands.
So is Europe poised to get a bunch of new nations? Don’t hold your breath.
Despite the nationalists’ electoral success, a poll published Thursday
showed only a third of Scots want to end British rule, with 53 percent
opposed. However secessionist sentiment is on the rise, hence British
Prime Minister David Cameron’s bid to pre-empt the nationalists by
seeking to call the referendum much earlier than their preferred 2014
date.
In Belgium too, polls suggest much support for Flemish separatists is
linked more to dissatisfaction with mainstream politicians than a
burning desire to break from French-speaking Wallonia. Much may depend
on the performance of the recently appointed Prime Minister Elio di Rupo
– the first French-speaker to hold the post since the 1970s.
Separatism has actually been on the wane recently in Spain and Italy
and voters focus on the countries’ economic woes. However if Scotland
successfully takes the high road away from Britain, many in Catalonia,
the Basque Country and northern Italy’s Padania may well want to follow.
By: thinkslaughter
In: Politics
Tags: scotland, secede, split, uk, 2014, rats, jump, from, sinking, ship
Location: Scotland, United Kingdom (UK/GB) (load item map)
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@MB-UK there has only been one magority Labour government since 1945 which has relied on Scottish labour mps for a majority.
Posted Jan-13-2012 Byanglosaxonwarlord (13620.64) 
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Long time overdue
Posted Jan-12-2012 Bytisme (69.66) 
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This would be a tragedy. Personally I love Scotland. I love the countryside and I've always enjoyed the people. Unfortunately a countries negotiating position in the world depends on strength and neither the remainder of Britain (England and Wales), nor Scotland will be better off by dividing their influence. Together we are greater than the sum or our parts.
The only part I don't understand is what drives the separatists other than some ill thought out belief that they will somehow be more comp More..
Posted Jan-12-2012 Bywhogoesthere (259.28) 
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It will be a sad day if the Jocks decide to spilt up the Union, but I will respect and support their decision.
Posted Jan-12-2012 Bystefjeff (45.56) stefjeff View Channel Send Message
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@stefjeff thank you but the union was busted by thatcher.
she broke the contract by imposing poll tax on us.
Posted Jan-13-2012 Byweadone (221.82) 
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i hope so we dont care just go now please and take your skirts with ya
Posted Jan-12-2012 Bymatspur32 (850.20) 
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@matspur32 And our oil, fucktard. Assholes like you turn non nationalists into nationalists.
Posted Jan-12-2012 Bydorbie (2530.80) dorbie View Channel Send Message
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@dorbie your scotish what way will you vote? london paid to take the oil out so once you pay for that you can have the oil
Posted Jan-12-2012 Bymatspur32 (850.20) 
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@matspur32 I would vote for Union. Mostly because many Scots are a bunch of naive socialist prats who'd turn the place into the next Greece.
Posted Jan-12-2012 Bydorbie (2530.80) dorbie View Channel Send Message
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Why wait till 2014.
Posted Jan-13-2012 Byaddav79 (108.60) 
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It's not the English that are the problem, it's the "British" government. They shaft us all. If Scotland gains independence then so should England. I fucking hate politicians.
Posted Jan-13-2012 BySaxonBruiser (165.30) 
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good riddance.
Posted Jan-13-2012 Bythe_MEK (685.10) 
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@the_MEK thats a funny coincidence were saying the same.
Posted Jan-13-2012 Byweadone (221.82) 
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good ... saw Scotland off the top of England ... tow it out to sea and sink it
wankers have been sponging off us for ever
Posted Jan-13-2012 ByOhforfoxache (978.98) 
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@Ohforfoxache spoken like a true uneducated tard, 2010-2011 Scotland paid 60 billion in corporation tax. we get 18 billion to run our country a year. we also pay. p.a.y.e. income tax savings tax and v.a.t. that never seems to get counted so tell me again who the SPONGES are.....
Posted Jan-13-2012 Byweadone (221.82) 
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@weadone See your spouting the same crap,to anyone who will listen.lol
Posted Jan-16-2012 Bydrivenwell2 (580.52) drivenwell2 View Channel Send Message
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@drivenwell2 what crap your the one who can't count.
Posted Jan-16-2012 Byweadone (221.82) 
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@drivenwell2 we paid 60 billion corp tax we got 18 billion to run country so thats 32 billion diff. and you claim we get 2000 subsidy.....as i said your silly good bye.
Posted Jan-16-2012 Byweadone (221.82) 
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@weadone Nobody knows what corprate tax is paid by Scottish firms,but its no where near your figueres.2 to 3 billion would be a more realistic number.
Posted Jan-17-2012 Bydrivenwell2 (580.52) drivenwell2 View Channel Send Message
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its a sham that a handfull off scotish people can vote on english laws and hold us back, shocking!!!!!!
Posted Jan-12-2012 Bymatspur32 (850.20) 
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Well, the Stone's back. Why not the country?
Relatives of mine living in Canada believe that if all of Canada had been able to vote on Quebec's secession some years ago, it would have passed.
Posted Jan-13-2012 ByTMoray1 (737.46) 
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Oooh... here we go again. Another 500 years of war or will the Brits finally be reasonable and let them go?
Posted Jan-12-2012 Byweada (492.00) 
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@weada english people dont care you gotta remeber these scots get billions a year from london for us better for them worse
Posted Jan-12-2012 Bymatspur32 (850.20) 
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@matspur32 we paid 60 bill in corporation tax 2010 2011 and we get 18 back to run our country.that's not counting , p.a.y.e.,nat insurance,v.a.t...etc,etc.
Posted Jan-12-2012 Byweadone (221.82) 
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@weadone come on theres more scots in england than scotland
Posted Jan-12-2012 Bymatspur32 (850.20) 
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@matspur32 only 5 mill in scotland.
gives us room to grow.
and those scots you can keep em as a leaving pressie.
Posted Jan-12-2012 Byweadone (221.82) 
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@weadone the way things are going in england i might just leave this shit hole/england
Posted Jan-12-2012 Bymatspur32 (850.20) 
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I'm of Scot decent (1830's to New Brunswick,Canada) and am proud of my heritage, but I do not understand what Scotland can gain from independence from the UK.
Reminds me of our Quebec separtist movement, which now has taken a backseat and may even be mostly dead in our country...
Maybe the Scots forsee the eminent downfall of the UK ??
Posted Jan-13-2012 Byapepii (31.26) 
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@MB-UK yea i cant see the people of rangers agreeing with that so mayb a northan scotland =uk and the rest of scotland scotland
Posted Jan-12-2012 Bymatspur32 (850.20) 
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@MB-UK HAPPY! :o)
Posted Jan-12-2012 Byweadone (221.82) 
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@matspur32 You sir are a genius, because that plan worked out so well in Ireland, it should be repeated.
Posted Jan-12-2012 Bydorbie (2530.80) dorbie View Channel Send Message
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@dorbie are you gonna stop people in scotland wanting to be british i mean at least half want 2
Posted Jan-12-2012 Bymatspur32 (850.20) 
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@matspur32 The decision should be made as a nation. If you split Scotland you WILL deserve the ruin you invite.
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