







During the recent foreign policy debate, the president presumed to instruct his opponent: "Governor Romney maybe hasn't spent enough time looking at how our military works. You mentioned the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. Well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets, because the nature of our military's changed. We have these things called aircraft carriers, where planes land on them. We have these ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines. And so the question is not a game of Battleship, where we're counting ships. It's what are our capabilities."Yes, the Army's horses have been superseded by tanks and helicopters, and its bayonets rendered mainly ceremonial by armor and long-range, automatic fire, but what, precisely, has superseded ships in the Navy? The commander in chief patronizingly shared his epiphany that the ships of today could beat the hell out of those of 1916. To which one could say, like Neil Kinnock, "I know that, Prime Minister," and go on to add that we must configure the Navy to face not the dreadnoughts of 1916 but "things called aircraft carriers, where planes land on them," and "ships that go underwater," and also ballistic missiles, land-based aviation, and electronic warfare.
To hold that numbers and mass in war are unnecessary is as dangerous as believing that they are sufficient. Defense contractor Norman Augustine famously observed that at the rate fighter planes are becoming complex and expensive, soon we will be able to build just one. Neither a plane nor a ship, no matter how capable, can be in more than one place at once. And if one ship that is in some ways equivalent to 100 is damaged or lost, we have lost the equivalent of 100. But, in fact, except for advances in situational awareness, missile defense, and the effect of precision-guided munitions in greatly multiplying the target coverage of carrier-launched aircraft, the Navy is significantly less capable than it was a relatively short time ago in antisubmarine warfare, mine warfare, the ability to return ships to battle, and the numbers required to accomplish the tasks of deterrence or war.
For example, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's diplomacy in the South China Sea is doomed to impotence because it consists entirely of declarations without the backing of sufficient naval potential, even now when China's navy is not half of what it will be in a decade. China's claims, equivalent to American expropriation of Caribbean waters all the way to the coast of Venezuela, are much like Hitler's annexations. But we no longer have bases in the area, our supply lines are attenuated across the vastness of the Pacific, we have much more than decimated our long-range aircraft, and even with a maximum carrier surge we would have to battle at least twice as many Chinese fighters.
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David KleinNot until recently would China have been so aggressive in the South China Sea, but it has a plan, which is to grow; we have a plan, which is to shrink; and you get what you pay for. To wit, China is purposefully, efficiently, and successfully modernizing its forces and often accepting reductions in favor of quality. And yet, to touch upon just a few examples, whereas 20 years ago it possessed one ballistic-missile submarine and the U.S. 34, now it has three (with two more coming) and the U.S. 14. Over the same span, China has gone from 94 to 71 submarines in total, while the U.S. has gone from 121 to 71. As our numbers decrease at a faster pace, China is also closing the gap in quality.
The effect in principal surface warships is yet more pronounced. While China has risen from 56 to 78, the U.S. has descended from 207 to 114. In addition to parities, China is successfully focusing on exactly what it needs—terminal ballistic missile guidance, superfast torpedoes and wave-skimming missiles, swarms of oceangoing missile craft, battle-picture blinding—to address American vulnerabilities, while our counters are insufficient or nonexistent.
Nor is China our only potential naval adversary, and with aircraft, surface-to-surface missiles and over-the-horizon radars, the littoral countries need not have navies to assert themselves over millions of square miles of sea. Even the Somali pirates, with only outboard motors, skiffs, RPGs, and Kalashnikovs, have taxed the maritime forces of the leading naval states.
What, then, is a relatively safe number of highly capable ships appropriate for the world's richest country and leading naval power? Not the less than 300 at present, or the 200 to which we are headed, and not 330 or 350 either, but 600, as in the 1980s. Then, we were facing the Soviet Union; but now China, better suited as a maritime power, is rising faster than this country at present is willing to face.
The trend lines are obvious and alarming, but in addition we face a potentially explosive accelerant of which the president is probably blissfully unaware, as is perhaps even his secretary of the Navy, who—as he dutifully guts his force—travels with an entourage befitting Kublai Khan, or at least Kublai Khan Jr. That is that whereas the American Shipbuilding Association (now dissolved) counted six major yards, China has more than 100. Whenever China becomes confident of the maturation of its naval weapons systems, it can surge production and leave us as far behind as once we left the Axis and Japan. Its navy will be able to dominate the oceans and cruise in strength off our coasts, reversing roles to its pleasure and our peril—unless we attend to the Navy, in quality, numbers, and without delay.
This will demand a president who, like Reagan, will damn the political torpedoes and back a secretary of the Navy who, like John Lehman, will unashamedly and with every power of rhetoric and persistence rebuild the fleets. The military balance, the poise of the international system, and the peace of the world require no less. Nor does America deserve less.
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This is why Obama is trying to prevent military votes.
For your perusal.............................................
Obama's Military Endorsements:
General Wesley Clark, USA, (Ret)
General Colin Powell, USA (Ret)
Major General Paul Eaton, USA (Ret)
Admiral Donald Gutter, USN, former JAG of the Navy, (Ret)
Admiral John Nathman, USN, (Ret)
Mitt Romney's Military Endorsements:
Admiral James B. Busey, USN, (Ret.)
General James T. Conway, USMC, (Ret.)
General Terrence R. Dake, USMC, (Ret)
Adm More..
Posted Oct-30-2012 ByZANGADO (3038.60) 
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@ZANGADO Ba ha ha you made yer point...pretty well
Posted Oct-30-2012 ByEva_Destruction (2728.34) 
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@ZANGADO and yet the serviemen and women overwhelmingly donate to Obama.
Guess the ones that actually fight prefer the President we have now. Maybe thats because they like being home and not dying because Saudi Arabia and Israel want more land.
Posted Oct-30-2012 ByKutKorners (545.20)

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@ZANGADO
You OWNED that one! Well done!
Posted Oct-30-2012 ByRealityChecker (307.30)

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@KutKorners
lying bigot
Posted Oct-30-2012 ByRealityChecker (307.30)

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@ZANGADO
You think Obama cares that much when he has Wall St and other financier elite in his back pocket?
Either way its pointless to argue, the reason being they are both on the same team.
And much of their excitement is in fooling people, when will you people understand that?
Posted Oct-30-2012 ByOrwellian_Society (464.80) Orwellian_Society View Channel Send Message
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Abolish FEMA, save 5.8 billion U.S. $, add it to the 700 billion U.S. dollar defence budget. Who the fuck needs FEMA, it's a Fascist organisation building concentration camps for U.S. citizens, while terrorists lurk everywhere and the U.S. definetly is in dire need of more aircraft carriers, destroyers and nuclear subs.
Posted Oct-30-2012 ByUac_mitun_ahau (246.32) Uac_mitun_ahau View Channel Send Message
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@Uac_mitun_ahau
let me give you americans advice.
you need to ban mosques, ban qur'an
deport all imams, deport all muslim
men, retain muslims who want to
leave islam. re-educate muslim
children.
Posted Oct-31-2012 ByMuhammad_ibn_Abdullah (1093.88) 
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This administration has been so incompetent to the nth and need to be replaced. Vote well....
Posted Oct-30-2012 Byboomersooner (2093.44) 
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@boomersooner ....cartoon insults smell like real desperation. Another Republican defeat imminent.
Posted Oct-30-2012 ByNepean109 (1016.60) 
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@boomersooner
meanwhile, in other oBama related news;
""Somali comedian who poked fun at Islamists shot dead ""
http://www.france24.com/en/20121030-somali-comedian-who-poked-fun-islamists-shot-dead
Posted Oct-30-2012 ByAiredale (2628.26) 
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Goofy post, but I generally agree. kinda.
Fact is, this Benghazi fiasco is not going to go away, and despite how much the press seems to have lost its inherit curiosity, there will be some journalists with balls enough to pursue this story.
And while the event itself is big, the ensuing cover-up is becoming bigger.
President Obama has not learned anything from President Nixon. At least with the Watergate scandal, nobody died.
Posted Oct-30-2012 Bywharris (2247.32) 
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@wharris I read that President Obama was actually on the ground in Libya during that attack! Holy shit, the Republicans may be on to something. Or maybe I should have said, The Republicans are on something!
Posted Oct-30-2012 Bydownhill2400 (1325.28) downhill2400 View Channel Send Message
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@downhill2400
Typical nonsensical post.
Posted Oct-30-2012 Bywharris (2247.32) 
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@wharris Fits right in here don't it! LOL
Posted Oct-31-2012 Bydownhill2400 (1325.28) downhill2400 View Channel Send Message
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Obama should have learned a long time ago to just gloss over things he knows nothing about. Unfortunately that includes almost everything except anything that happens at college so he'd have nothing to say. Instead of true leaders of American history like George Washington, Ronald reagan or JFK, who actually ACCOMPLISHED SOMETHING of true importance in life before becoming President, we have OBAMA. He isn't worthy of re-election, he wasn't even worthy of ELECTION to begin with. Even worse, t More..
Posted Oct-30-2012 ByEva_Destruction (2728.34) 
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@Eva_Destruction Washington, born with a silver spoon in his mouth inherited large plantations built and sustained by slave labor and indentured servants, Reagan as a lead actor in such great hist as "Bedtime for Bonzo" and "Cattle Queen of Montana". JFK born rich. Yes, they all actually accomplished something of importance before becoming President"!
LMAO
Posted Oct-30-2012 Bydownhill2400 (1325.28) downhill2400 View Channel Send Message
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@downhill2400 JFK fought the japs in WW2 in the PT boats, Washington helped founded the country. Obama? Was a "community organizer" and boinked white broads. And you? Never opened a book in your life.
Posted Oct-30-2012 ByEva_Destruction (2728.34) 
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@Eva_Destruction I read constantly, and you are obviously off base. JFK got his position in the Navy due to the fact his Daddy was Joseph Kennedy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy#Military_service)
Maybe you can "read", maybe not. If you go to this site you'll see that Kennedy didn't so much "Fight" the Jap's as be run over by them. They the Japanese, didn't even know his boat was under them as they sailed on.
Washington? Remember before, he could be called a &q More..
Posted Oct-31-2012 Bydownhill2400 (1325.28) downhill2400 View Channel Send Message
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@downhill2400 Yes of course JFK was able to get any post he wanted by asking his influential family. The point is he SERVED and he FOUGHT, several night attacks with jap shipping, willingly and eagerly. Unlike Clinton, and Obama, both of whom apparently considered themselves too good to serve. I'd guess you hate Bush, either one or both of them, yet THEY both served as airmen too, Bush the senior in combat and Bush the younger flying Delta Dart fighters in the Air National Guard. What kind of More..
Posted Oct-31-2012 ByEva_Destruction (2728.34) 
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@Eva_Destruction Really? You are using G.W. Bush as one who served?! Apparently you only read what fits your alternative world view! LOL
Posted Oct-31-2012 Bydownhill2400 (1325.28) downhill2400 View Channel Send Message
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why do we need an Navy, I thought Odumba was going to make the world love America?!?!?
Posted Oct-30-2012 Byaranger45 (2989.58) 
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@aranger45 The navy has more ships today than under G.W. Bush. Go to the bottom of the articles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/600-ship_Navy
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@downhill2400
because Bush initiated construction
of ships.
Posted Oct-31-2012 ByMuhammad_ibn_Abdullah (1093.88) 
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@Muhammad_ibn_Abdullah - yeah, yeah, blame it on Bush.
Posted Oct-31-2012 By100 Leaves (154.70) 
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The Liar in Chief strikes again. Obama voters are committing treason!
Posted Oct-30-2012 Byjd1327 (470.62) jd1327 View Channel Send Message
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The Usurper has never ever held a real job, holding someone's ball's while sucking their cock doesn't count.
And it shows.
Get rid of the muzzlim Traitor.
Posted Oct-30-2012 ByDave556 (1960.36) 
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@wormhole
Conservativephobic bigot. You must be on bath salts.
Posted Oct-30-2012 ByRealityChecker (307.30)

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The untied states could do with trimming its military. The money is needed to fix the country.
Posted Oct-30-2012 ByItchy999 (459.30) 
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@Itchy999
no need, deport all muslims
and you save a lot of money there,
muslims are cheats, liars, welfare
suckers. they do not contribute
the way native canadians do or
americans.
Posted Oct-31-2012 ByMuhammad_ibn_Abdullah (1093.88) 
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I see you got some cheap ass propagandons in USA as we got. In my opinion USA need to cut military spendings in HALF. It will be realistic and good for your economy. You`ll still be able to protect your interesets without overspendings. I dont see why you need to spend a trillion on weaponry. Who are you planing to fight seriously? Godzilla? Aliens? You can spend 2 or 3 trillions, and its still not gonna help in case of war with China or Russia. Your polticians are the same pieces of shit as our More..
Posted Oct-30-2012 Bygrifo (181.08) 
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@grifo
Yep - and the world's population concurs with you.
Their military prowess is based on fear, insecurity and a lack of culture.
I know that everyone I speak to wonders why they spend so much.... its not like they win anything!
Nobody fears America anymore - with all their missiles, fighter jets and aircraft carriers, rice farmers in a jungle, ragheads in deserts or caves and warlords in mud huts can all send America packing with their tail between their legs.
For such a beautiful countr More..
Posted Oct-30-2012 ByGrumpyAuldBastard (218.84) GrumpyAuldBastard View Channel Send Message
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@GreezyMuhfuh
Ow..wow.. You agree or not about the military spendings? Or you put your comment here to show me that you are GreezyMuhfuh the Arrogant? You try to demonstrate me that you really dont care, but in fact you demonstrated opposite thing.
Posted Oct-31-2012 Bygrifo (181.08) 
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@GrumpyAuldBastard
Yes! With much respect to American people and country, I must agree on what you are said about their political course. They need to change a vector from destructive to constructive.
Posted Oct-31-2012 Bygrifo (181.08) 
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lol reality checker has lost it....i can't imagine what he'll post right before the election and if/or rommo loses
Posted Oct-30-2012 Bymylostsoul (736.64) 
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@mylostsoul
Don't you have some koolaid to go pass out to your followers?
Posted Oct-30-2012 ByRealityChecker (307.30)

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@RealityChecker not at all....i don't drink koolaid...but you didn't just drink it, you slipped off into the deep end of the kooolaid, sheepy
and as if i need advice or thoughts from a brit, you're not voting in our election thank god
Posted Oct-30-2012 Bymylostsoul (736.64) 
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@RealityChecker We have more ships now than under G.W. Bush. Go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/600-ship_Navy
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@mylostsoul
You don't drink it, so you just pass it out again then. Or maybe it is bath salts your are on.
face eating bigot.
Posted Oct-30-2012 ByRealityChecker (307.30)

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@downhill2400 There you go, confusing the dummy with facts. Don't you know that facts a cryptonite to people like this?
Posted Oct-30-2012 Bycdlcrash (323.70) 
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conservatools are funny. not in that make-you-feel-good kind of way but in that how-the-fuck-do-they-brush-their-own-teeth kind of way.
Posted Oct-30-2012 By100 Leaves (154.70) 
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@100 Leaves
Conservativephobic libtard bigot
Posted Oct-30-2012 ByRealityChecker (307.30)

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@RealityChecker - republicunt fucktard fascist.
Posted Oct-31-2012 By100 Leaves (154.70) 
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ROLLING!!!!! THE DRUNK ONE IS HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!
Posted Oct-30-2012 Byrbvr1 (375.54) 
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This is hilarious little off topic but its has to do with Obummer...
This is why Medicare is a huge platform this election...
1. The Medicare Trustee report shows that in 2011, Medicare took in $260.8 billion in payroll taxes and Medicare Part B premiums. Medicare spent $540 billion in medical expenses. What happens when you write a $540 check on $261 in deposits?
2. Obamacare pulls $716 billion out of Medicare to fund Obamacare according to the Congressional Budget Office. With Medicare a More..
Posted Oct-30-2012 ByGodsrage (111.00) 
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@wormhole they will take their assets and go to China, the rich are already teaching their children chinese.
Posted Oct-30-2012 Byno compromise truth (195.50) 
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@wormhole
I can't agree with you there... I dont think we should be taxing anyone with the waistful spending the government does on programs like gay websites for men, Robosquirrel, The pill for the college campus bicycle thats giving rides to all the guys. it bullshit spending like this that is getting us into trouble. Cut spending before taxing.
Posted Oct-30-2012 ByGodsrage (111.00) 
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@Godsrage
Yes, Obama is the biggest homophile Christianphobic bigot ever.
Posted Oct-30-2012 ByRealityChecker (307.30)

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uemh ok? everything is fine with u?
Posted Oct-30-2012 Bydennix (296.10) 
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