Tony Blair's envoy attacks Afghanistan war
THE war in Afghanistan is “madcap” and “futile” and serves “no conceivable national interest”, says Sir Christopher Meyer, who as Britain’s ambassador to Washington had a ringside seat on the dispatch of troops there.
The fighting is “a waste of blood and treasure” because there is no coherent purpose behind it, he argues scornfully in a new book.
Meyer, who was Tony Blai
More..r’s man in America from 1997 to 2003, writes that: “After nearly eight years in Afghanistan . . . there is still no clarity about why we are there. Is it to stop Al-Qaeda returning on the shirt-tails of the
Taliban? Or are we trying to create the conditions to transform Afghan governance and society? Depending on who you speak to — British or American — it is either, both, or something in the middle.
“A punitive expedition against Al-Qaeda is one thing; but to seek, against the grain of history, to rebuild Afghanistan from the ground up, in the name of a western concept of democracy and human rights, is futile.
“If this madcap venture is to take 40 years, as General Sir David Richards, chief of the general staff, averred this year, no conceivable national interest can be served by such an eccentric concentration of resources on a country of marginal importance.”
Meyer adds: “The poor, bloody infantry can win a thousand firefights in Helmand province, and earnest officials from the Department for International Development can make plans for a bridge here, a dam there; but until these efforts are linked to a political process, underpinned by diplomacy, they are so much waste of blood and treasure.”
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Added: Oct 18 2009 In: news_politics
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There goes Britain's support.
Posted Oct-18-2009 by "BigDaddyHarrison" (R)
The majority of brits fled europe and for good reason. Don't fret my brothers,. The victory will be yours
Posted Oct-18-2009 by "Lynx_Canadensis" (B)
We need more US dignitaries to feel the same,.
It's a bullshit mission,..we should be giving more concentration on Northern Pakistan then a bunch of dusty villagers and rising insurgency in Afghanistan,..
the enemy is persuading the tribesman and villagers to fight our troops,..and it's a bullshit situation,..
Posted Oct-18-2009 by "SharkGuy" (R)
It's a bullshit mission,..we should be giving more concentration on Northern Pakistan then a bunch of dusty villagers and rising insurgency in Afghanistan,..
the enemy is persuading the tribesman and villagers to fight our troops,..and it's a bullshit situation,..
Because Karzai wants money, power and all the blow jobs that come with those two things. Our soldier's and taxpayers are footing the bill for this asshole and it's a joke. I wish a real leader could come about in Pakistan.
Posted Oct-18-2009 by "BigDaddyHarrison" (R)
It's a bullshit mission,..we should be giving more concentration on Northern Pakistan then a bunch of dusty villagers and rising insurgency in Afghanistan,..
the enemy is persuading the tribesman and villagers to fight our troops,..and it's a bullshit situation,..
Because Karzai wants money, power and all the blow jobs that come with those two things. Our soldier's and taxpayers are footing the bill for this asshole and it's a joke. I wish a real leader could come about in Pakistan.
Sounds like Pakistan is finally going North to fight the real enemy,..lets hope they kick some ass up there,that's the hot spot,.
cheers,.
Posted Oct-18-2009 by "SharkGuy" (R)
The blokes have a point because the TALIBAN will go on forever! They offer true Islam and every islamic convert will fight for it.
Posted Oct-18-2009 by "Beinrich_Bimmler" (R)
See,.that's the problem,..they don't have to fight for it,..they can be Muslims all they want,.
it's just that stupid verse of the sword that keeps them fighting all the time,..
Muhammad made it so they will be fighting the whole planet for ages to come,.it's something a Warlord loves to see happen,..and something Muhammad wanted,.
he wanted to have his followers fighting the whole planet,..
he was a master manipulator if anything at all,...but nothing Holy ,.,..but a devil worshiper,..
and wanting people dead because they don't follow his rules and that is nothing short of just plain Evil.
Posted Oct-18-2009 by "SharkGuy" (R)
See,.that's the problem,..they don't have to fight for it,..they can be Muslims all they want,.
it's just that stupid verse of the sword that keeps them fighting all the time,..
Muhammad made it so they will be fighting the whole planet for ages to come,.it's something a Warlord loves to see happen,..and something Muhammad wanted,.
he wanted to have his followers fighting the whole planet,..
he was a master manipulator if anything at all,...but nothing Holy ,.,..but a devil worshiper,..
and wanting people dead because they don't follow his rules and that is nothing short of just plain Evil.
Therin lies the problem, because hear me now and stuff - Islam forbids waging war UNLESS they attack you first! Most all of them do not understand anything involving 9/11 -
Posted Oct-18-2009 by "Beinrich_Bimmler" (R)
See,.that's the problem,..they don't have to fight for it,..they can be Muslims all they want,.
it's just that stupid verse of the sword that keeps them fighting all the time,..
Muhammad made it so they will be fighting the whole planet for ages to come,.it's something a Warlord loves to see happen,..and something Muhammad wanted,.
he wanted to have his followers fighting the whole planet,..
he was a master manipulator if anything at all,...but nothing Holy ,.,..but a devil worshiper,..
and wanting people dead because they don't follow his rules and that is nothing short of just plain Evil.
Therin lies the problem, because hear me now and stuff - Islam forbids waging war UNLESS they attack you first! Most all of them do not understand anything involving 9/11 -
it seems they understand what Jihad means,..and when a leader declares it like Osama ,.I believe it has to be the same leader to stop it,..
"if" an official declaration of Jihad can even be stopped,.I have been reading about this Jihad crap and it seems it will go on indefinitely unless Osama himself declares it over,which I think will be a hardly anticipated act on his part,..
Muslims have dug their own graves with this bullshit,
because they are fighting a no win battle, maybe a 1000 years ago,but in today's day and age and the weaponry they are up against they can never win,.
suicide bombing is all they got.
America and the new free world has got to be a major pain in his ass,..lol
Posted Oct-18-2009 by "SharkGuy" (R)
See,.that's the problem,..they don't have to fight for it,..they can be Muslims all they want,.
it's just that stupid verse of the sword that keeps them fighting all the time,..
Muhammad made it so they will be fighting the whole planet for ages to come,.it's something a Warlord loves to see happen,..and something Muhammad wanted,.
he wanted to have his followers fighting the whole planet,..
he was a master manipulator if anything at all,...but nothing Holy ,.,..but a devil worshiper,..
and wanting people dead because they don't follow his rules and that is nothing short of just plain Evil.
Therin lies the problem, because hear me now and stuff - Islam forbids waging war UNLESS they attack you first! Most all of them do not understand anything involving 9/11 -
it seems they understand what Jihad means,..and when a leader declares it like Osama ,.I believe it has to be the same leader to stop it,..
"if" an official declaration of Jihad can even be stopped,.I have been reading about this Jihad crap and it seems it will go on indefinitely unless Osama himself declares it over,which I think will be a hardly anticipated act on his part,..
Muslims have dug their own graves with this bullshit,
because they are fighting a no win battle, maybe a 1000 years ago,but in today's day and age and the weaponry they are up against they can never win,.
suicide bombing is all they got.
America and the new free world has got to be a major pain in his ass,..lol
Good buddy of mine, the thought process is unlike yours or mine. Islam is how the tiny affluent minority control the masses (kingdom) in the same way the Catholic church did 400 years ago before "the enlightment". I challenge you to examine closely any of the works of Michelangelo, which were directly commissioned by the Catholic church, and not be moved. However, islam has produced nothing such, since it abhors change, and this is fine by me. I submit to you, that there is absolutely no point in attempting change here now except to create a non-hostile government that will go out and tereminate extreme deviants. Our goals as allies are nothing more than to crush the Taliban as a future terrorist base, and more importantly send the message "Don't ever, ever **** with us again".
Posted Oct-18-2009 by "Beinrich_Bimmler" (R)
Find the multinational companies who have signed contracts with Karzai and his brother and you will have your answers - especially if there are politicians or their shills on the board of directors.
Posted Oct-18-2009 by "gregory_peckory" (R)
Spot on.
Money money money ...
Posted Oct-18-2009 by "michael567" (R)
Too late. Labour is out, Tories are in.
Posted Oct-19-2009 by "FlibbleDeeFlobble" (R)
It's a bullshit mission,..we should be giving more concentration on Northern Pakistan then a bunch of dusty villagers and rising insurgency in Afghanistan,..
the enemy is persuading the tribesman and villagers to fight our troops,..and it's a bullshit situation,..
Because Karzai wants money, power and all the blow jobs that come with those two things. Our soldier's and taxpayers are footing the bill for this asshole and it's a joke. I wish a real leader could come about in Pakistan.
Historically speaking, can you think of one true leader anywhere, who was installed by foreign powers?
Posted Oct-19-2009 by "alexeyv" (R)