A song and a story about the history of the Southern Cross.
The victors of war write the history. And that is exactly what happened after the so called Civil War in 1861-65. ""The Cross of St. Andrew"", the Southern Flag has been maligned in the worse way by those individuals with personal 'agendas'.
The war of 1861-65 had nothing to do with slavery. Abraham Lincoln could not have cared less about freeing the southern black slaves. Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was issued near the end of the war, not the beginning. It was written and issued as a political maneuver. Dr. Tom Di Lorenzo referenced actual historical documents that support these facts in his book, The Real Lincoln. In 1861, 95 % of the southern people did not own slaves, they were too poor. The political conflict began in Washington over taxation, tariffs on southern products, but not on northern products. The oppressive control directed from Washington was strangling the people and economy of the south - but not the north. It was very biased destructive government management against the southern economy and people.
The cry was, "States Rights," but that equated with the rights of sovereign southern states to be out from under the oppressive and destructive control of northern political Washington.
Only uninformed or uneducated people believe 425 men died each day (600,000 men) for four years to deal with black slavery issues in the south.
The Cross of St. Andrew, the Southern Flag was a religious emblem of moral people, much like Brave heart, engaged in a fight to death conflict to save their families, homes and land from destruction at the hands of northern bankers and politicians.
The victors of war write the history.
When you hear men speak of the "Cross of St. Andrew" know they speak of the crucifixion cross of the apostle Andrew, the Apostle of Jesus the Christ, "the diagonal cross on which the Apostle of Jesus the Christ, Andrew had been martyred."
The Saint Andrew cross is one of the oldest national flags of all, dating back at least to the 12th century. The history of the Scottish saltire may be summarized as follows:
c.1180: The first use of the St. Andrew's Cross in Scotland - but as a religious, not a national, emblem (the seal of the Chapter of St. Andrew's cathedral).
1286: The first appearance of the figure of St. Andrew on his cross as a national emblem (the seal of the Guardians of Scotland).
1385: The first evidence of the use of the cross, without the saint, as a national emblem - but this was on soldiers' uniforms rather than as a flag (an act of the Scottish parliament).
Late 15th Century: Several references to flags with a St. Andrew's Cross, but it is not known whether it was the only emblem on such flags.
1503: The first certain use of a plain St. Andrew's Cross flag - but the field was red, not blue (the Vienna Book of Hours).
1542: The first certain illustration of the St. Andrew's Cross on a blue field as we have it today (armorial of Sir David Lindsay).
People spoke against Jesus and his symbols, and unjustly accused him of vile criminal acts. False stories were fabricated to make early believers appear bad in the eyes of uneducated or uninformed people to satisfy agendas.
Legendary Origin of the Flag
"One legend, concerns the fact that it is believed by generations of Scotsmen that our national flag, the white saltire on a blue ground, the oldest flag in the British Commonwealth, originated in a battle fought, a little more than a mile from present day Markle, in the Parish of Prestonkirk in East Lothian, in the Dark Ages between the Picts and Scots on one side and the Angles of Northumbria on the other. There are various versions of the tale but it is generally agreed around the time of the 8th century, an army of Picts and Scots under King Hungus found themselves surrounded by a force of Angles under their leader Athelstan. King Hungus prayed earnestly for deliverance to God and the saints and that night St Andrew appeared to the King and promised them victory. Next day, when battle was joined, the vision of the white saltire (the diagonal cross on which the Apostle had been martyred) was seen by all in the blue sky. This so encouraged the Picts and Scots and affrighted their adversaries that a victory was won. King Athelstan was slain at the crossing of the burn, still known to this day as Athelstaneford.
The story continues that this all was seen as a 'Miracle' and may have been the origin of the name "Markle"! In the nearby East Lothian village of Athelstaneford, a flag heritage centre commemorates and discusses the development of the legendary white cross on the blue background." Thomas Middlemass, 6 February 2000.
Sir William Wallace, 1297
William Wallace was also known as Brave heart and his ensign was the Cross of St. Andrew later called The Southern Cross, also known in the 1860s as the Confederate Flag.
William Wallace became a Scottish hero when he led the Scots against Edward of England's attempts to take over their kingdom in the 1290s. Edward had captured and jailed Scotland's king, John Balliol, and many nobles before Wallace began a campaign of small scale hit-and-run raids against Edward's men.
As his fame spread, more and more men joined his forces until Wallace was able to fight and defeat an English army at Stirling Bridge in 1297. At that point Wallace, who was no more than a second son of
a small landowner, became the recognised leader of Scotland. He was made a knight and given the title, "Guardian of Scotland and Commander of its Armies on behalf of the exiled King John Balliol".
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Guys:
I think the world of the Scots-Irish.
And Crosby, Stills and Nash are really cool.
But...
Slavery was a major cause of the Civil War.
And the Southern Cross is not the same thing as the Cross of St. Andrew.
And Crosby, Stills and Nash were singing about how love was like sailing.
Posted Aug-31-2010 Byjohn731863 (512.02) 
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Sure. Economic rivalry, national politics, cotton, and slavery were wrapped up together. But claiming "The war of 1861-65 had nothing to do with slavery" is silly.
Posted Aug-31-2010 Byjohn731863 (512.02) 
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well i just went through the trouble to prove otherwise. it does have to do with st. andrew
Posted Aug-31-2010 BySouthern_Cross (260.76) Southern_Cross View Channel Send Message
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did you not read? 95% of southerns were really poor and owned much of nothing, sure did not own any slaves.
Posted Aug-31-2010 BySouthern_Cross (260.76) Southern_Cross View Channel Send Message
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I don't think the song has anything to do with the war for southern independence, its about sailing. The southern cross is a constellation in the Southern Hemisphere similar to our polaris.
Posted Aug-31-2010 Byxigm534x (104.02) 
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what a load of shit.
i don't know whats worse, the revisionist history... the attempt to link a proud Celtic history with the blighted history of the south and that bastardized rag aka:southern flag... or that you would use a great CSN track that has absolutely nothing to do with your post other then the words "southern cross".
ignorant... yep, sloppy... yep, typical redneck hill monkey.... yep.
"war is hell" quote: William Tecumseh Sherman. purifier of Atlanta,
Posted Aug-31-2010 Byroscoe6428 (138.60) 
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you are truely 1 sad person, human waste
Posted Aug-31-2010 BySouthern_Cross (260.76) Southern_Cross View Channel Send Message
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I think you pretty much nailed it.
Posted Aug-31-2010 ByTongueboy (3090.64) Tongueboy View Channel Send Message
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I kinda like what he said. Especially the part about Sherman being the purifier of Atlanta.
Posted Aug-31-2010 Byskatman21 (326.02) skatman21 View Channel Send Message
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is that the best you got?
Posted Aug-31-2010 BySouthern_Cross (260.76) Southern_Cross View Channel Send Message
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Excellent! Voted.
Posted Aug-31-2010 ByAutomanic (161.02) Automanic Send Message
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I was expecting Sabbath.....WAYYYYY better song
RIP Ronnie James...
Posted Aug-31-2010 Bymytwocents (2365.86) 
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no you fool, read the comment below yours, it apparently pertains to you also.
Posted Aug-31-2010 BySouthern_Cross (260.76) Southern_Cross View Channel Send Message
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You cant see the southern cross from Scotland. What would be the point of having a constellation on your flag that no-one recognises. They didnt even know there was a southern hemisphere. Sounds like a load of celtic bollocks to me.
Posted Aug-31-2010 Bywhogoesthere (259.48) 
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interesting stuff
Posted Aug-31-2010 Byasylumta2 (812.88) 
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cool upload man---keep em coming!
Posted Aug-31-2010 Bydriver8 (40.84) 
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much respect for doing what you thought was decent & necessary,liberals are not the least bit bright, if they were light bulbs they would be rated 1/2 a watt. that's why they are called liberals. total waste of space,main cause for methane gas emissions, farting out their mouths while talking dumb shit.
Posted Aug-31-2010 Bystar53 (32497.10) 
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