If attacks on soldiers now qualify, how is it possible to exclude many American actions?
By Glenn Greenwald
November 09, 2009 --The incomparably pernicious Joe Lieberman said yesterday on Fox News that he intends to launch an investigation into "the motives of [Nidal] Hasan in carrying out this brutal mass murder, if a terrorist attack, the worst terrorist attack since 9/11." Hasan's attack was carried out on a military base, with his clear target being American soldiers, not civilians. No matter one's views on how unjustified and evil this attack was, can an attack on soldiers -- particularly ones in the process of deploying for a war -- fall within any legitimate definition of "terrorism," which generally refers to deliberate attacks on civilians?
The obvious problem with answering that question is that, as even the U.S. State Department recognizes, "no one definition of terrorism has gained universal acceptance" -- despite the centrality of that term in our political discourse. In its 2001 publication, Patterns of Global Terrorism, the State Department did define "terrorism" to mean "premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets," and in turn defined "noncombatant targets" to include "military personnel who at the time of the incident are unarmed and/or not on duty." Only by accepting that definition (or one similar to it) could the attack on Fort Hood possibly be defined as "terrorism."
But if one accepts that broadened definition of "terrorism" -- that it includes violence that targets not only civilians but also combatants who are unarmed or not engaged in combat at the time of the attack -- it seems impossible to exclude from that term many of the acts in which the U.S. and our allies routinely engage. Indeed, a large part of our "war" strategy is to kill people we deem to be "terrorists" or "combatants" without regard to whether they're armed or engaged in hostilities at the moment we kill them. Isn't that exactly what we do when we use drone attacks in Pakistan? Indeed, we currently have a "hit list" of individuals we intend to murder in Afghanistan on sight based on our suspicion that they're involved in the drug trade and thus help fund the Taliban. During its war in Gaza, Israel targeted police stations and, with one strike, killed 40 police trainees while in a parade, and then justified that by claiming police recruits were legitimate targets -- even though they weren't engaged in hostilities at the time -- because of their nexus to Hamas (even though the Israeli human rights group B'Tselem said the targeted recruits "were being trained in first aid, human rights and maintaining public order").
Is there any legitimate definition of "terrorism" that allows the Fort Hood attack to qualify but not those above-referenced attacks? The U.S., of course, maintains that it is incapable of engaging in "terrorism," by definition, because "terrorism" is something only "subnational groups or clandestine agents" can do, but leaving that absurdly self-serving and incoherent exclusion aside, how can the Fort Hood attacks targeted at soldiers be "terrorism" but not our own acts?
Just to provide what ought to (but won't) be an unnecessary caveat: whether the U.S. is noble, righteous and good, and radical Muslims are rotted and evil, is completely irrelevant to the issue here. The laws of war and definitions of terrorism apply -- as is true, by definition, for all things that we call "laws" and "definitions" -- equally to everyone, regardless of how good or bad someone is. Nor do any of these issues have anything to do with whether an act is justifiable; many things that are wrong and evil -- indeed most -- are not "terrorism."
Isn't it fairly clear that the term "terrorism" is being applied to what Hasan did due to his religion rather than the acts themselves? Put another way, as ThinkProgress' Matt Duss put it: "the definition of terrorism is not 'any violence by any Muslim anywhere at any time for any reason'." But that -- along with the repellent claim that saying "Allahu Akbar" is "suggestive of terrorism," rather than suggestive of someone who is Muslim (obviously the same thing in the minds of the people claiming that) -- is exactly what seems to be driving discussions of this attack. It's likely that there will always be a lack of clarity about exactly what motivated Hasan -- some combination of mental instability, religious fervor and political conviction -- but, regardless of motive, the only way to define an attack on soldiers as an act of "terrorism" is to indict ourselves in the same way.
UPDATE: I don't quite know how to explain this, but National Review's Jonah Goldberg actually constructed a cogent argument today, arguing that Hasan's attack cannot be classified as "terrorism" because terrorism is "an attack on civilians intended to strike fear in the non-military population" and "Hasan didn't attack civilians, he attacked uniformed members of the U.S. Army in advance of their deployment to the frontlines." In a subsequent post, responding to angry reader emails, he even explained that it's difficult to classify Hasan's attack as "terrorism" without doing the same with regard to our drone attacks in Pakistan. More bizarrely still, National Review's Cliff May then chimed in to agree that "a terrorist is someone who intentionally targets non-combatants with violence for political purposes. The shooter at Fort Hood, by contrast, was targeting uniformed combatants. In that sense, he was not a terrorist."
That even the fanatical play-acting-tough-guy-warriors at National Review are more restrained and thoughtful on this topic than Joe Lieberman reflects just how radical and unhinged the Connecticut Senator is when it comes to anything Muslim.
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We will be infiltrated and attacked from within thanks to the bleeding heart liberals, ACLU, and the politically correct society.
Bunch of fools! HOPE AND CHANGE
Posted Nov-10-2009 Bydanny777 (165.32) 
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Thoughtful article, BB. I don't usually agree with your politics, but I always find your posts thoughtful.
In this case, I'm not sure it matters whether or not this is an act of terror. What is salient is whether this is the violent act of a muslim motivated by religion and politics. (Most likely).
Or, is it an act of an imbalanced man. (Far less likely).
If it is indeed a violent act of a muslim motivated by religion and politics, then it belongs on a list of events that Homeland S More..
Posted Nov-11-2009 ByFenrisulfr (183.08) Fenrisulfr Send Message
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The definition of terrorist has been changed over the years, sometimes for the worst. I think its being overused not only for fear purposes but for political reasons. Its being thrown around so much people dont even know the definition of the word. Some think its only applies to muslims while some think it applies to anyone who dissagrees with our policies.
Last year Americans were labeled possible terrorist for supporting 3rd party candidates and calling themselves constitutionalist. The MIA More..
Posted Nov-11-2009 Byhlabrake (678.04) hlabrake View Channel Send Message
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Try him...hang him or shoot him ,ASAP !
Posted Nov-10-2009 Bymonkeyboy61 (893.96) 
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I agree. Death by firing squad is a soldiers death. This man does not deserve a death that would allow him to regain his honor.
I'm certain that if he is sentenced to die, and this sentence is confirmed by BHO (questionable), then he would die by lethal injection.
Posted Nov-11-2009 ByFenrisulfr (183.08) Fenrisulfr Send Message
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Fem..can i ask you a question? no sarcasim...really. Are you bi-polar?
Posted Nov-11-2009 ByStage-Right (275.88) 
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Major Terrorist!
Posted Nov-11-2009 ByFlibbleDeeFlobble (967.94) 
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Agreed. Not terrorism... Islamic Jihad is a better description.
Posted Nov-11-2009 Byss_cat (468.50) 
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No Government oversight right now. Good thing Lieberman has some balls.
Posted Nov-11-2009 Byfreedomplow (329.02) freedomplow View Channel Send Message
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The victims weren't armed, they weren't in a battle zone and civilian police (the ones who eventually took him down) were also targeted. This is such an obvious case of terrorism, it's not even funny.
But no, let's waste some more time arguing about pedantic technical "legal definitions of terrorism." It amuses me.
Posted Nov-11-2009 ByFlibbleDeeFlobble (967.94) 
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And yet you felt you *had* to respond. THAT'S amusing...
Posted Nov-11-2009 ByuserID1 (149.62) userID1 Send Message
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Glad we're both getting something out of this little exercise, then! We could have a symposium: "Terrorism, why I'm afraid of getting sued for using the word." We could get guest lecturers from CAIR.
Posted Nov-11-2009 ByFlibbleDeeFlobble (967.94) 
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Naw, Fox is just a news organization. In fact, I think that's their incorporated name "News Co." They don't have any original ideas.
Posted Nov-11-2009 ByFlibbleDeeFlobble (967.94) 
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an attack on a military installation is a LEGITIMATE act of war.
NOT terrorism
In the Ft Hood case, the major is guilty of - at the least - treason and murder and obama had best sign his DEATH WARRANT!
Posted Nov-11-2009 Byspadata (893.90) 
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no
Posted Nov-11-2009 Byss_cat (468.50) 
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best answer given.
Posted Nov-11-2009 Bymdscorpio71 (1118.62) 
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"Terrorist" has for centuries been a word used by governments to instill fear in their own populations. Sometimes those labeled as such have been freedom fighters, sometimes religious zealots, sometimes to people that don't really fit into either of those categories. Even our own American founding fathers were labeled as terrorists by the English Crown.
That being said, Hasan is clearly guilty of treason and murder. They should have left him to die at the scene.
Posted Nov-11-2009 ByBenFranklin420 (566.62) 
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You seem like a complete and utter fool. That being said, you are right in this instance. It is NOT an act of terrorism.
It is an act of TREASON.
P.S. Jonah Goldberg is a pretty smart guy. From the fragmented, illogical tripe in this posting, I cannot say the same of you.
Posted Nov-11-2009 Byrightwingmob (16.02) 
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technicaly no. they are legitimate targets in the realworld.. its the fucking daircares, school,ect thoes cock suckers seem to always be interested in..
Posted Nov-11-2009 ByStankin (243.38) Stankin View Channel Send Message
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I'm PROUD to be an OKY from MOSCOGEE..
Posted Nov-10-2009 Bymonkeyboy61 (893.96) 
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"The bigger issue at hand is whether or not the BHO administration is doing enough to ensure the safety of the US from extremist muslim acts of violence"
Well....the BHO has done far more than the BRWH (Bush Retarded White House) by actually listening to real threats (unlike Bush who waved off 911 pre-reports)....
Posted Nov-11-2009 Byjoeslummer (173.06) 
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And again we hear from the dumbass french canadian. Of course the events of the last 9 months discredit your assertions.
But your screed has nothing to do with facts. It is merely the howling of a liberal with more computing power than native intelligence.
Posted Nov-11-2009 ByFenrisulfr (183.08) Fenrisulfr Send Message
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Umm...you'll note that he tried e-mailing Al Qaeda while Bush was in office, but nothing was done *then* either...
Posted Nov-11-2009 ByuserID1 (149.62) userID1 Send Message
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