PALESTINE - 1896
Old film about Palestine goes back to 1896. This contradicts Zionist propagandists who always trying to sell new Israel by saying : ' It was a land without people for people without land '. The film shows that there were Palestinians there in 1896.
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I've never heard anyone seriously claim that the region around modern day Israel was abandoned before 1900. Maybe someone did, but that would be absurd.
Posted Oct-8-2012 Byjohn1054 (5508.74) 
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@john1054 Some have and yes, it is absurd.
Posted Oct-8-2012 ByTMoray1 (783.66) 
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From Time Immemorial by Joan Peters
A piece of fiction proven as lies and deception by most historians
Standard Israeli propaganda even cited by Harvard Professor and Israeli-firster Alan Dershowitz
Posted Oct-8-2012 ByCatalytic (510.60) Catalytic View Channel Send Message
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@john1054 A lot of far right-wing propaganda mostly in the US, not interestingly in Israel, tries to imply that the Palestine region was barely inhabited...its obviously a technique used to bolster the idea that nothing has been 'stolen'
Posted Oct-8-2012 ByElegantDecline (2144.68) 
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Good post...incredible to see the three religions sitting side by side...and then came Zionism
Posted Oct-8-2012 ByElegantDecline (2144.68) 
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@ElegantDecline Just a rough guess, I'd say New York City has that beat by about a dozen.
Posted Oct-8-2012 ByChumCannon (1485.02) 
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@ElegantDecline Now hardly anybody gets along.
Posted Oct-8-2012 ByTMoray1 (783.66) 
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If you listen to the Israeli historian Shlomo Sand, actually the descendants of the first Jews in Palestine are the Palestinians themselves that have lived there for 2000 years and have been converted to the Muslim religion after 700 AD.
The Israeli Jews which came from East Europe or North Africa are Khazars or Sefarads not really Semit Jews from Palestine, Shlomo Sand said.
Posted Oct-8-2012 ByLibertyEqualitySauerkraut (93.90) 
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Spot on.
Posted Oct-8-2012 ByOrwellian_Society (466.00) Orwellian_Society View Channel Send Message
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that book has been widely debunked
Posted Oct-8-2012 Bygolem (1828.92) golem View Channel Send Message
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@LibertyEqualitySauerkraut make sense.
Posted Oct-9-2012 ByYo Daddy (56.60) 
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There were more people in Palestine at the time of the Balfour Declaration than there were permanent inhabitants in what is now Texas when the Angloes came. Texas never claimed there was nobody here. We don't claim our ancestors didn't practically wipe out the Comanches by purposefully killing off their food source, the buffalo. That's the way it goes. Why do some Israelis claim there was nobody in Palestine? Doesn't make any sense.
Posted Oct-8-2012 ByTMoray1 (783.66) 
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Israelis do not make that claim. Where do you get that from?
The issue here is sovereignty. The area of Palestine was ruled by Ottomans for over 400 years then occupied by British for 30 years.
Posted Oct-8-2012 Bywargypzy (523.00) wargypzy View Channel Send Message
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@wargypzy Should have used the word "Jews" instead of "Israelis" because I don't know if the people I've heard say that were actually Israeli citizens/dual citizens. My mistake. Next time I hear or read it I'll note the source and try to PM it to you.
Posted Oct-8-2012 ByTMoray1 (783.66) 
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just share ... if its possible :))))
Posted Oct-8-2012 Bymagiked (129.60) 
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Does it really matter what the people who lived there were called?
The fact of the matter is people lived in that area since biblical times and well before that. The religion of the people who lived there many times as well. The people who lived there were Pagans, Jews, Christians, Muslims at various points throughout history. Small bands of people left and entered the region throughout various points of history as well but the bulk of the population prior to "Israel" being establis More..
Posted Oct-8-2012 BySyntax_Attack (100.00) 
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well said.
Posted Oct-8-2012 Byjen8933 (1084.46) jen8933 View Channel Send Message
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except they didn't chose to leave, they were forced and expelled by foreign armies, whether it was the Romans, assyrians,Muslims etc.., in a similar point most of the arabs who live their today came in the early 1900's in order to look for work that arose dueto jewish immigration, they are not indigenious to the area
Posted Oct-8-2012 Bygolem (1828.92) golem View Channel Send Message
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According to their traditions they were forced to leave, but obviously many of the native peoples were able to hang on there for a few thousand years.
Moreover if every single people who were displaced by war were allowed to reclaim their land thousands of years after the fact nearly everybody on earth would be forced into exile.
The simple fact of the matter is a group of people who lived in that land for thousands of years was forcefully removed from their land in an act of ethni More..
Posted Oct-8-2012 BySyntax_Attack (100.00) 
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populations always shift in wars, the sudentenland, german areas of russia, poland post ww2, India and the creation of pakistan etc.. it's just the ideology of islam refuses to accept their losses, sour grapes, like the muslim uploader, maybe his grandpa/dad should have been a better shot so hewouldn't have to whine about it now
Posted Oct-8-2012 Bygolem (1828.92) golem View Channel Send Message
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So because during the Nakba the IDF ethnically cleansed the area the native inhabitants should stop fighting back when they are locked up in a ghetto (Gaza) or when more and more of their land is stolen for "security barriers" or outright by settlers?
Sorry but the Israeli state is the oppressor here, and I would damn sure fight them if I were in a Palestinian's shoes.
Posted Oct-8-2012 BySyntax_Attack (100.00) 
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Fake, spoken commentaries on film were not possible before 1923.
This collection of random shots somewhere in the mid east, have been mixed with a modern invented commentary.
Posted Oct-8-2012 Byknurt (110.90) 
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look up the lumier brothers and you can see they did this in palestine.
Posted Oct-8-2012 ByOnlyLiarsBlock (623.10) 
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Lumiere brothers did not produce films with commentaries.
Posted Oct-8-2012 Byknurt (110.90) 
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i didnt say they produced it with commentary. but if you look them up and look up this documentary you can see what it was about....someone was just kind enough to give us a general break down of it and put their voice on the video.
Posted Oct-8-2012 ByOnlyLiarsBlock (623.10) 
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OK I can put any commentary to this motley collection of clips to give a totally different spin on the films.
My point is that some of this may be from the 19th century BUT the version presented id biased distorted and untrue. Unless you have references to your claimed script for the commentary to THIS film I would suggest you back off.
Posted Oct-9-2012 Byknurt (110.90) 
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well prove me wrong then. i told you this film was by the lumier brothers and its simple to look them up and see their work. stop asking me to do your research for you. if you are incapable of doing your own research thats a whole different issue. did you even read my description " Old film about Palestine goes back to 1896. This contradicts Zionist propagandists who always trying to sell new Israel by saying : ' It was a land without people for people without land '. The film More..
Posted Oct-9-2012 ByOnlyLiarsBlock (623.10) 
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So, is this when palestine was really another part of the Ottoman Empire?
Or was this when palestine was a part of Egypt?
palestine as been invaded and ruled by so many Muslim nations, that it gets hard to track.
Posted Oct-8-2012 Bywharris (2348.42) 
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Part of Ottoman Empire
http://www.ata.boun.edu.tr/faculty/Faculty/Nadir%20Ozbek/courses/Hist121/Maps/OE_1900.jpg
Posted Oct-8-2012 Byjoe prole (1709.40) 
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Thanks
Posted Oct-8-2012 Bywharris (2348.42) 
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@wharris I think you'll find that almost every corner of the earth has been occupied, conquered by various empires...doesn't mean the people on the land don't have the right to self-determination
Posted Oct-8-2012 ByElegantDecline (2144.68) 
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Agree.
However, one does wonder why there seems to have been little drive for this self-determination over the millennia of Muslim occupation.
Posted Oct-8-2012 Bywharris (2348.42) 
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@wharris Not really, the late C19th was the 'age of nationalism'...nations became more self-aware and demanded self-rule everywhere.
See the Fall of the Austro-Hungarian Empire in Europe in 1918 which had ruled half of East and South Europe for centuries...The Serbs, Bulgars, Hungarians all gained States
The 'Arab Revolt' against the Ottomans took place in the same period
Posted Oct-8-2012 ByElegantDecline (2144.68) 
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the whole post is a logical fallacy, this video show's Jerusalem which was always inhabited by Jews, then christians and later Muslims after they invaded, the rest of the territory in the ottoman province known as palestine was barren and mostly desert and swampland. Mark Twain wrote about it in his travels around the area. Furthermore there is no such thing as a "Palestinian" as the province at the time known as Palestine was composed of modern day jordan, Egypt, and syria, leading PL More..
Posted Oct-8-2012 Bygolem (1828.92) golem View Channel Send Message
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this post shows how the jews were a very minor percentage in the population at those times. and just like zionists like to claim palestinians came from egypt jordan etc etc....the jews that are there inhabiting it now are mostly converts from russia, europe, and even arab countries. not to many have actual ancestors that can be tied back to that land.
i love how the zionists come along and say it was nothing but swampland until the european jews moved in and built it up from nothin More..
Posted Oct-8-2012 ByOnlyLiarsBlock (623.10) 
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this video show's a few busy streets of Jerusalem, which has always had a large Jewish presence , the commentary has nothing to do with the video, your claim about converts from Europe are also false
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lol ok anything you say buddy.
Posted Oct-8-2012 ByOnlyLiarsBlock (623.10) 
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I don't see why modern Palestinians aren't looking to resettle in other areas of the former Ottoman Empire. Are they as eager to inhabit Istanbul or Damascus?
Posted Oct-8-2012 ByChumCannon (1485.02) 
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@ChumCannon I'm English, if someone takes my country shall I just say oh well and move to Poland like its home?
Posted Oct-8-2012 ByElegantDecline (2144.68) 
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the lands around it aren't empty either and why should any one leave their ancestrial homeland just because it becomes occupied by others?
Posted Oct-8-2012 Byjen8933 (1084.46) jen8933 View Channel Send Message
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@jen8933 According to this video, the homeland of the Palestinians also consisted of the cities of Damascus and Constantinople. I was just curious why they aren't fighting as hard, or at all, to reclaim them as they are Jerusalem.
Posted Oct-8-2012 ByChumCannon (1485.02) 
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Why didn't your video go back a bit farther? Hmmm I guess it cancels out the revisionist history..
Posted Oct-8-2012 ByTelekill (138.48) 
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This film IN NO WAY dates back to 1896.
I'm no fan of Zionism and the narration certainly does contradict Israeli claims but the footage proves nothing.
Posted Oct-8-2012 ByPeckerhead (124.22) Peckerhead View Channel Send Message
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if you look up the lumier brothers you can see they did this in the palestinian area during the late 1800's the voice is something added to what the lumier brothers wrote about. they even had palestinian currency: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_pound
Posted Oct-8-2012 ByOnlyLiarsBlock (623.10) 
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@OnlyLiarsBlock Where would I find that information about The Lumier Brother Palestine documentary.
The Palestine pound is irrelevant in terms of the films authenticity.
Posted Oct-8-2012 ByPeckerhead (124.22) Peckerhead View Channel Send Message
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my point for the video is zionists like to make it seem as if though the land was uninhabited. the ppl that lived there lived in tents and there were no buildings, no type of currency or any of that. this disproves them showing there were ppl living there....it was occupied....they had an economy....and they had buildings including homes not tents.
as for where to find info about it....some years back they invented this thing.....i forget what they called it.....oh yea...THE IN More..
Posted Oct-8-2012 ByOnlyLiarsBlock (623.10) 
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Trust me I agree with you completely.
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nice 1
agree
Posted Oct-8-2012 Bymagiked (129.60) 
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History can be so interesting. How empires rise and fall, how nations evolve or split and how cultures at times live in aggressive repulsion or in harmony together.
Videos like this can open eyes to how things were before the great tensions of our own time, such as the Israel-Palestine conflicts.
Very interesting.
Posted Oct-8-2012 ByGorgeous George (32.00) 
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yeah, those of us who know history know that. their claim is a bogus as columbus 'discovering' america.
Posted Oct-8-2012 Byjen8933 (1084.46) jen8933 View Channel Send Message
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Excellent upload.
Posted Oct-8-2012 ByMrG (648.90) 
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