
(October 26, 2012)-Britain has rebuffed US pleas to use military bases in the UK to support the build-up of forces in the Gulf, citing secret legal advice which states that any pre-emptive strike on Iran could be in breach of international law.
The Guardian has been told that US diplomats have also lobbied for the use of British bases in Cyprus, and for permission to fly from US bases on Ascension Island in the Atlantic and Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean, both of which are British territories.
The US approaches are part of contingency planning over the nuclear standoff with Tehran, but British ministers have so far reacted coolly. They have pointed US officials to legal advice drafted by the attorney general's office which has been circulated to Downing Street, the Foreign Office and the Ministry of Defence.
This makes clear that Iran, which has consistently denied it has plans to develop a nuclear weapon, does not currently represent "a clear and present threat". Providing assistance to forces that could be involved in a pre-emptive strike would be a clear breach of international law, it states.
"The UK would be in breach of international law if it facilitated what amounted to a pre-emptive strike on Iran," said a senior Whitehall source. "It is explicit. The government has been using this to push back against the Americans."
Sources said the US had yet to make a formal request to the British government, and that they did not believe an acceleration towards conflict was imminent or more likely. The discussions so far had been to scope out the British position, they said.
"But I think the US has been surprised that ministers have been reluctant to provide assurances about this kind of upfront assistance," said one source. "They'd expect resistance from senior Liberal Democrats, but it's Tories as well. That has come as a bit of a surprise."
The situation reflects the lack of appetite within Whitehall for the UK to be drawn into any conflict, though the Royal Navy has a large presence in the Gulf in case the ongoing diplomatic efforts fail.
The navy has up to 10 ships in the region, including a nuclear-powered submarine. Its counter-mine vessels are on permanent rotation to help ensure that the strategically important shipping lanes through the Strait of Hormuz remain open.
The Guardian has been told that a British military delegation with a strong navy contingent flew to US Central Command headquarters in Tampa, Florida, earlier this summer to run through a range of contingency plans with US planners.
The UK, however, has assumed that it would only become involved once a conflict had already begun, and has been reluctant to commit overt support to Washington in the buildup to any military action.
"It is quite likely that if the Israelis decided to attack Iran, or the Americans felt they had to do it for the Israelis or in support of them, the UK would not be told beforehand," said the source. "In some respects, the UK government would prefer it that way."
British and US diplomats insisted that the two countries regarded a diplomatic solution as the priority. But this depends on the White House being able to restrain Israel, which is nervous that Iran's underground uranium enrichment plant will soon make its nuclear programme immune to any outside attempts to stop it.
Israel has a less developed strike capability and its window for action against Iran will close much more quickly than that of the US, explained another official. "The key to holding back Israel is Israeli confidence that the US will deal with Iran when the moment is right."
With diplomatic efforts stalled by the US presidential election campaign, a new push to resolve the crisis will begin in late November or December.
Six global powers will spearhead a drive which is likely to involve an offer to lift some of the sanctions that have crippled Iran's economy in return for Tehran limiting its stockpile of enriched uranium.
The countries involved are the US, the UK, France, Germany, Russia and China. Iran will be represented by its chief negotiator, Saeed Jalili.
A Foreign Office spokesman said: "As we continue to make clear, the government does not believe military action against Iran is the right course of action at this time, although no option is off the table. We believe that the twin-track approach of pressure through sanctions, which are having an impact, and engagement with Iran is the best way to resolve the nuclear issue. We are not going to speculate about scenarios in which military action would be legal. That would depend on the circumstances at the time."
The Foreign Office said it would not disclose whether the attorney general's advice has been sought on any specific issue.
A US state department official said: "The US and the UK co-ordinate on all kinds of subjects all the time, on a huge range of issues. We never speak on the record about these types of conversations."
The Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, warned at the UN general assembly last month that Iran's nuclear programme would reach Israel's "red line" by "next spring, at most by next summer", implying that Israel might then take military action in an attempt to destroy nuclear sites and set back the programme.
That red line, which Netanyahu illustrated at the UN with a marker pen on a picture of a bomb, is defined by Iranian progress in making uranium enriched to 20%, which would be much easier than uranium enriched to 5% to turn into weapons-grade material, should Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, take the strategic decision to abandon Iran's observance of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and try to make a weapon. Tehran insists it has no such intention.
In August, the most senior US military officer, General Martin Dempsey, distanced himself from any Israeli plan to bomb Iran. He said such an attack would "clearly delay but probably not destroy Iran's nuclear programme".
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Ignorance and paranoia has created one or two recent conflicts into which the British have blindly followed their allies.
Nice to see a bit of backbone for a change, before we commit ourselves to another fruitless waste of life.
Posted Oct-28-2012 ByForkhandles (165.90) 
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If i was in charge i would let you usa use the bases and give them a couple of extra nukes to use.
People on this post should learn to stfu with all the oh you are this and your country is this. usa and UK have been long standing allies now and always will be.
Posted Oct-28-2012 ByLegend07_1973 (929.30) 
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Yep heard the news few days ago... And thumbs up Brittan, its time to stand up to the fucking Jews that control America
Its kinda funny that the 2 greatest dictators on earth that fought each which were Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin and both wanted to exterminate these people. Was there a reason? well we are about to find out
Posted Oct-28-2012 ByBleys (1652.80) 
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@osirisjj
stupid racist cunts
Posted Oct-29-2012 ByDryGordon (41.70) 
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@DryGordon Keep your head in the sand weak minded dismissive cunt.
Posted Oct-29-2012 Byosirisjj (117.70) 
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@DryGordon
Do you realize that they are about to start a WW3 or do you not? We are one step away from it.
Posted Oct-30-2012 ByBleys (1652.80) 
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Whats with all the anti Jew comments? Have we forgotten history? Israel has the right to defend itself. Palestine NEVER existed and have no claims to what was a wasteland before Israel built it up. Muslims backed hitler in WWII and Iran denies the holocaust and vows to nuke Israel and people say there is no threat?
Posted Oct-28-2012 By762soldier (206.42) 762soldier View Channel Send Message
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@762soldier Muslims did back Hitler. Correct.
Israel could easily wipe out Iran so i don't think usa are exactly bowing down to Israel or doing the dirty work.
Posted Oct-28-2012 ByLegend07_1973 (929.30) 
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@762soldier
Muslims backed hitler in WWII and Iran denies the holocaust and vows to nuke Israel Words just some words
But i think thats enough for bloodthirsty USA to go after the oil of Iran
What about North Korea
They vow every second to bomb USA but you dont say nothing about that
Oooh i forgot , no oil there
Posted Oct-28-2012 ByLeon Degrelle (117.80) 
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@Leon Degrelle please show me where all this oil is supposed to be. The majority of our forces are out of Iraq. If it was about oil, we wouldn't have given the country back. We are the only country that gives a country back to the people. Germany, Japan, France, Italy. Sheesh, please just read history.
Posted Oct-28-2012 By762soldier (206.42) 762soldier View Channel Send Message
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@762soldier
and what about the native americans
when you gonna compensate them for the millions innocent women and children you rape and murdered ?
And when you gonna give their land back ?..........
Posted Oct-29-2012 ByLeon Degrelle (117.80) 
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It gives me hope to see that there are still level headed people in the Governments of today...
Posted Oct-28-2012 ByRogerHuerta666 (63.50) 
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this is just bluster .cameron needs to appear strong to votors as he is in deep trouble .the us has no need for british bases as they have iran virtually surrounded and have large airbases right next door in afghanistan
Posted Oct-28-2012 Bymarkymark69 (554.34) markymark69 View Channel Send Message
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aJAKOfxl_VU
Posted Oct-28-2012 ByALah007 (688.70) 
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Let israel do it alone! I want to see iran destroy them.
Posted Oct-28-2012 ByNeRdALeRt (167.80) 
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@NeRdALeRt why are there so many fucking nazis in the UK? is it all the inbreeding?
Posted Oct-28-2012 Bythinkslaughter (1489.70) 
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@thinkslaughter Fuck off bagel head hiding under american flag!
CUNT! What israel do to palestinians is nazi! What israel did to uss liberty is nazi! What israel do by stealing with their jew banks is nazi! What israel do in everything is fucking nazi! ohh and ehh what they did on 9/11 was NAZI!!!
Posted Oct-28-2012 ByNeRdALeRt (167.80) 
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Those islands in the South Atlantic - is the name spelled F_A_L_K_L_A_N_D_S or is it L_A_S M_A_L_V_I_N_A_S?
Are we allies or are we not?
Posted Oct-28-2012 ByAlly_Gator (500.70) 
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@Ally_Gator
allies to defent
Not to attack a innocent country and mirder and rape innocent women and children
Posted Oct-28-2012 ByLeon Degrelle (117.80) 
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Innocent? That's enough from you....
Posted Oct-28-2012 ByAlly_Gator (500.70) 
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@Leon Degrelle
Yeah we are allies, and the best thing we can do for you at this moment is give you sound advice, a pre-emptive strike if illegal is something we can't be involved in, sometimes being allies means stopping yp doing the wrong thing, the Falklands are a somewhat different case, they are subject to UN resolutions giving the Islanders the right to self determanation, I am sure if Iran started to pose a real threat, then we would have no trouble in joining with you, as already stated More..
Posted Oct-29-2012 Bytugpilotsmiffy (92.24) 
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If the us wanted to end the Iranian nuclear program the only base they would need to use is Whiteman Air Force Base in Arkansas, USA!
Posted Oct-28-2012 Bymikedelta12 (369.50) 
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@mikedelta12 Missouri. It's in Missouri. Arkansas still hasn't figured out how to build decent roads, let alone nuclear air force bases.
Posted Oct-28-2012 Bykajidono (686.26)

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I stand corrected but made my point
Posted Oct-28-2012 Bymikedelta12 (369.50) 
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@mikedelta12 Yes, and not even that. Does anyone know where all of our subs are? We got ballistic missiles, we got cruise missiles, we got drones all over the place, we got missile boats, we got stealth destroyers and cruisers, we even got weird shit going on out at area 51 and other places where the cool stuff is really kept. Like a certain jew once said, "You really think they pay $1000 for a toilet seat?"
No, we don't. We've got so many black box projects that the rumors can't keep More..
Posted Oct-28-2012 Bykajidono (686.26)

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One of the more interesting capabilities I heard about recently are the UCAV-N program. The program is about to enter initial operational status and promises to extend the carriers strike range from about 400nm to 2000nm with a higher degree of stealth than anything in the air currently! Think about it, 5x the strike range and stealth with no risk to an aircrew! With this capibility no spot on the globe would be out of carrier strike range!
Posted Oct-28-2012 Bymikedelta12 (369.50) 
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@mikedelta12 Now if we just had a commander in chief smart enough to use it effectively.
Posted Oct-28-2012 Bykajidono (686.26)

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The US will remember next time Argentina decides to invade the Falkland again.
Posted Oct-28-2012 By2Phast4Rocket (688.16) 
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@2Phast4Rocket we can take care of them argies ourselves no problem.
Posted Oct-28-2012 Byosirisjj (117.70) 
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@2Phast4Rocket No it won't
A. The US isn't being attacked by Iran, and if it was its almost impossible to imagine the UK wouldn't join the US in any action
B. The US provided little support in the Falklands conflict any way
Posted Oct-28-2012 ByElegantDecline (2131.98) 
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@2Phast4Rocket
Apart from the fact Argentina wont invade the Falklands again. The only reason they invaded back in 1982 was because their country was in deep depression and it was thought declaring war on the UK would be a great way of making people not think about their woeful economy.Now although they're back in the same shit financially and banging that same drum they're now a bit smarter and wont go that route again.
Posted Oct-28-2012 ByZeb (633.00) 
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@ElegantDecline a little incorrect there .the us offered the use of an aircraft carrier .the us also emptied there stocks of the brand new sidewinder missiles .if it wasnt for those missile the harriers would not have stood a chance
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@ElegantDecline You're full of shit. Where do you think spare engines came from for the Harriers? I was in the Marine Corps at the time and I can assure you, we gave up our spares. So if you want to talk shit, know what you're talking about.
Posted Oct-28-2012 Bydavid2dogs (244.36) 
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More like citing their fear of their huge muslim population going batshit crazy, again.
Posted Oct-28-2012 Bykajidono (686.26)

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USA does not UK to attack Iran. This article is garbage.
1. USA does not want to pre-empt Iran, ISRAEL DOES!
2. UK is USA little puppy.
3. USA bases surround Iran.
Posted Oct-28-2012 Bynutsflipped (2037.60) 
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@nutsflipped nutsflipped i thought you had been killed .i saw a post on here that was your picture posing with an ak-47 ,you didnt repond to it soni thought you had been strung up finally
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@nutsflipped
If that's the case what does that make the USA to China. (the steam off Chinas piss?)
Posted Oct-28-2012 ByPatrick Hodgins (259.70) 
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@Patrick Hodgins does that make ireland the steam off englands piss then
Posted Oct-28-2012 Bymarkymark69 (554.34) markymark69 View Channel Send Message
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@markymark69 what about the steam off my pisses piss ?
Posted Oct-28-2012 Byosirisjj (117.70) 
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@nutsflipped The US would in fact need a coalition if it wanted to do Israel's bidding in Iran...and the UK would likely be the lynchpin of that coalition
Not for military purposes as much as political...and remember war is always an extension of politics
Posted Oct-28-2012 ByElegantDecline (2131.98) 
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This very item was put on the forums a few days ago. The US has no real need of bases in the UK to strike Iran. As far as a supply chain, there are enough countries out there all ready willing to help. I would not look for a strike on Iran, at least not in the near future.
Posted Oct-28-2012 ByPaladin65r (243.64) 
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@Paladin65r I assume that the US is trying to scare Iran by showing that it is getting serious about a strike; it wouldn't surprise me if the Brits denying our requests was coordinated in order to gain media coverage and make it well known to the Iranians.
Iran doesn't have any ability to monitor troop movements or buildups on their own, so we have to do it for them and make exaggerated acts under full media scrutiny so they will get the point.
Posted Oct-28-2012 ByNightCrawler (140.10) 
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@NightCrawler Very possible.
Posted Oct-29-2012 ByPaladin65r (243.64) 
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