Islamic scholars question bin Laden's sea burial
(AP) – 1 hour ago
CAIRO (AP) — Muslim clerics said Monday that Osama bin Laden's burial at sea was a violation of Islamic tradition that may further provoke militant calls for revenge attacks against American targets.
Although there appears to be some room for debate over the burial — as with many issues within the faith — a wide range of Islamic scholars interpreted it as a humiliating disregard for the standard Muslim practice of placing the body in a grave with the head pointed toward the holy city of Mecca.
Sea burials can be allowed, they said, but only in special cases where the death occurred aboard a ship.
"The Americans want to humiliate Muslims through this burial, and I don't think this is in the interest of the U.S. administration," said Omar Bakri Mohammed, a radical cleric in Lebanon.
A U.S. official said that the burial decision was made after concluding that it would have been difficult to find a country willing to accept the remains. There also was speculation about worry that a grave site could have become a rallying point for militants.
The U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive national security matters, did not say where the burial took place.
U.S. President Barack Obama said the remains had been handled in accordance with Islamic custom, which requires speedy burial.
But the Lebanese cleric Mohammed called it a "strategic mistake" that was bound to stoke rage.
In Washington, CIA director Leon Panetta warned that "terrorists almost certainly will attempt to avenge" the killing of the mastermind behind the Sept. 11 attacks.
"Bin Laden is dead," Panetta wrote in a memo to CIA staff. "Al-Qaida is not."
According to Islamic teachings, the highest honor to be bestowed on the dead is giving the deceased a swift burial, preferably before sunset. Those who die while traveling at sea can have their bodies committed to the bottom of the ocean if they are far off the coast, according to Islamic tradition.
"They can say they buried him at sea, but they cannot say they did it according to Islam," Mohammed al-Qubaisi, Dubai's grand mufti, said about bin Laden's burial. "If the family does not want him, it's really simple in Islam: You dig up a grave anywhere, even on a remote island, you say the prayers and that's it."
"Sea burials are permissible for Muslims in extraordinary circumstances," he added. "This is not one of them."
But Mohammed Qudah, a professor of Islamic law at the University of Jordan, said burying the Saudi-born bin Laden at sea was not forbidden if there was nobody to receive the body and provide a Muslim burial.
"The land and the sea belong to God, who is able to protect and raise the dead at the end of times for Judgment Day," he said. "It's neither true nor correct to claim that there was nobody in the Muslim world ready to receive Bin Laden's body."
Clerics in Iraq — where an offshoot of al-Qaida is blamed for the death of thousands of people since 2003 — also criticized the U.S. action. One said it only benefited fish.
"If a man dies on a ship that is a long distance from land, then the dead man should be buried at the sea," said Shiite cleric Ibrahim al-Jabari. "But if he dies on land, then he should be buried in the ground, not to be thrown into the sea. Otherwise, this would be only inviting fish to a banquet."
The Islamic tradition of a quick burial was the subject of intense debate in Iraq in 2003 when U.S. forces embalmed the bodies of Saddam Hussein's two sons after they were killed in a firefight. Their bodies were later shown to media.
"What was done by the Americans is forbidden by Islam and might provoke some Muslims," said another Islamic scholar from Iraq, Abdul-Sattar al-Janabi, who preaches at Baghdad's famous Abu Hanifa mosque. "It is not acceptable and it is almost a crime to throw the body of a Muslim man into the sea. The body of bin Laden should have been handed over to his family to look for a country or land to bury him."
Prominent Egyptian Islamic analyst and lawyer Montasser el-Zayat said bin Laden's sea burial was designed to prevent his grave from becoming a shrine. But an option was an unmarked grave.
"They don't want to see him become a symbol, but he is already a symbol in people's hearts."
Associated Press writers Barbara Surk in Dubai, United Arab Emirates; Jamal Halaby and Sameer N. Yacoub in Amman, Jordan, and Zeina Karam in Beirut contributed to this report.
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Oh FFS they threw him in the sea to avoid leaving a shrine on land for islamic nutters to visit.
Personally, I think they would have been better getting him embalmed and stuffed, then sat on the lawn of the White House. .. but there you go.
Posted May-2-2011 Byallyssa (861.28) allyssa View Channel Send Message
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@allyssa hahahahah
Posted May-2-2011 Bypeterjames2009 (1018.90) 
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I don't understand. So Bin Laden was a muslim ? I thought he was an extreamist that dosen't represent the faith of Islam ?
Posted May-2-2011 Bydannydandan (177.96) 
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@dannydandan Bin Laden was of no religion. No religion approves of his actions. He used religion as a tool for his bullshit. I wouldn't be surprised if both of my grandfathers jumped the gates of heaven just to beat the shit out of Bin Laden in hell.
Posted May-2-2011 Byturkzil (123.18) 
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In the UK we treat shit before we put it in the sea
Posted May-2-2011 ByTHEFOXMAN (73.24) 
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@THEFOXMAN
But not before you put it into your mouths .. Obviously!!
Posted May-2-2011 ByxBANGx (31.02) 
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you get sppon fed shit every day by your government and media lol and the best of it is, you "believe it" lmao. At least us brits can smell B.S from a mile away. You americans lap up the tasty shit you get fed. Joke of a nation.
Posted May-2-2011 Bybazeret2 (222.36) 
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@bazeret2
you "believe it"
You have no right to speak for me..
At least us brits can smell B.S from a mile away..
No shit ..Your breath smells like ass..Wash it sometime.!!
Posted May-3-2011 ByxBANGx (31.02) 
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Islamic scholars can kiss my ass.
Posted May-2-2011 Bymcgus (632.24) 
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Boo hoo!!!
They're gonna attack anyway. The only solution to this is to unleash unbearable violence on their people, debase their culture and utterly destroy their religion.
We deserve what we get if we do anything less
Posted May-2-2011 ByPaybackman (96.56) 
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why they gave him a proper burial i dont know.....just sounds more of a cover up of what really happened...what's more important?..the world seeing proof of the criminal or the human rights this bastard who has killed scores of people?
Posted May-2-2011 Bysodamsmooth (108.64) sodamsmooth View Channel Send Message
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i would like to imagine he is alive and being questioned, since no one will ever find the body at sea.
Posted May-2-2011 ByHectortuba (174.70) Hectortuba View Channel Send Message
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My thoughts exactly...you could torutre the hell out of him and extract every bit of information and no one would be the wiser. However, he's been out of the game so long, he probably had very little knowledge to offer.
Posted May-2-2011 ByPunch_The_Monkey (1156.28) 
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Did muslims worry about the rights of americans who died in S11? Osama is lucky he was even buried within 24 hours.
Posted May-2-2011 Bypeterjames2009 (1018.90) 
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did america worry about the rights of those who died on 9/11? Nope, you sent their place of death to china to be melted down and turned into chinese tractors.
Posted May-2-2011 Bybazeret2 (222.36) 
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@bazeret2 u speaka engrish?
Posted May-2-2011 Bypeterjames2009 (1018.90) 
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I hope they all drank up some cold ones an pissed on the piece of shit before they dumped him .......just a thought.....Ill bet some of my American brothers diss'd him up somehow
Posted May-2-2011 Byjohnestel (92.44) 
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Burial at sea...brilliant...no place to go to "visit the martyr"...and me...I'm guessing "burial at sea" by Seal Team six means...rolling him off the tailgate of the chopper into the water....INSHA'ALLAH! The WILL OF ALLAH HAS BEEN DONE....dead, gone, shaheed....went out with the knowledge and fear that AMERICANS had found him and his goose was cooked...Priceless!
Posted May-2-2011 ByLoPull (506.62) 
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@LoPull they cut his head off
Posted May-2-2011 Bypeterjames2009 (1018.90) 
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@LoPull the next mtf that stand up will revenge us by dumping him in the sea dont complain when it happens again (ps)same side here but those fuckers wont go away by killing osama PEACE and good job killing this dipshit
Posted May-2-2011 Bysits (28.58) 
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priceless is right. no one can reject the fact that the americans got him, not pakistan, not by natural causes but by the hands of an american seal team. bahahahaha
Posted May-2-2011 Byrmacl (396.98) 
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@sits
I don't think they'll stop...but just like Checnya...you CAN keep killing them faster than they can grow them.
Posted May-2-2011 ByLoPull (506.62) 
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Personally I woulda fed him to the hogs
Posted May-2-2011 Byhbon56 (132.70) hbon56 View Channel Send Message
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I'd of preferred we boil his corpse in pig blood and feed it to dogs.
Posted May-2-2011 ByZardoz003 (1569.52) 
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@Zardoz003 Yep. Unmarked grave buried with a pig head. Spread the pictures all over the interwebs first. Make sure you shake the camera while recording it though, so the dirt-merchants can understand it.
Posted May-2-2011 Bymick0311 (114.14) mick0311 View Channel Send Message
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Apparently, they fitted a GPS and rudders to him so he would face Mecca on the way down.
Posted May-2-2011 Bytruebrit49 (271.22) 
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His head will point towards mecca ... at least it will when the fish and sharks that eat him are swimming in the right direction.
Posted May-2-2011 Byfr33thinker (900.70) fr33thinker View Channel Send Message
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The words 'islamic' & 'scholars' in the same sentence is stretching it a bit...no?
Posted May-2-2011 ByCoolQcumber (4230.90) 
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