Over 9,000 Murders by Gun in US, 39 in UK
Number of Murders, United States, 2009: 15,241
Number of Murders by Firearms, US, 2009: 9,146
Number of Murders, Britain, 2008: 648
Number of Murders by firearms, Britain, 2008: 39
Source: http://www.juancole.com/2011/01/over-9000-murders-by-gun-in-us-39-in-uk.html
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@SlipperyWhenWet
Only criminals and the gobmit would have guns
oh wait,
the gobit IS the criminal element in all this
Posted Jan-13-2013 ByAiredale (2615.06) 
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@SlipperyWhenWet exactly, retards stay retards
Posted Jan-13-2013 ByBCAA (287.50) 
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@SlipperyWhenWet honestly I do not feel the sudden urge to arm myself and defend myself from... ahmm I have no fucking clue against whom I'd have to protect myself, it's not like I live in the worlds most hated country and people try to blow me up every day
Posted Jan-13-2013 ByBCAA (287.50) 
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In my view, the UK government runs a bit roughshod over its people. It seems to be an over-regulating, over-taxing monstrosity that is increasingly out of touch with its common folk. There is no balance whatsoever.
I would prefer live under a government that is slightly afraid of it's population.
Our 2nd Amendment gives us a mechanism to achieve a balance that is just not there in the UK.
So, while its sad that this many people die because of asshats with guns, I would not change it to be m More..
Posted Jan-13-2013 Bywharris (2245.42) 
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@wharris but the usa government is moving in the same direction as the uk gov and your guns dont make a bit of differences. btw in 2011 45.418 people in England and wales applied for a gun out of all of them only 163 where rejected so its hardly a gun ban people just dont wont them over here.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AonYZs4MzlZbcGhOdG0zTG1EWkVPdmFISlFXSTNwYlE&hl=en#gid=1
Posted Jan-13-2013 ByHailToTheSkunk (312.30) 
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@HailToTheSkunk
Agree we are moving in that direction of a larger and more oppressive government.
What I find interesting is that while we move that direction, at the very same time, there has never been more restrictions on guns.
Coincidence?
If the peoples of the UK are fine with a huge government, and no parity, that's fine. You can have that. However, I think that this serves to highlight a huge historical difference between Europeans and Americans.
Posted Jan-13-2013 Bywharris (2245.42) 
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@HailToTheSkunk very true, I am a gun owner in the UK. I hold a permit and have .22lr and a couple of shotguns under that permit. The thing is I rarely talk about them, I see them as a means to end much like any other tool, I never think of them as weapons to defend myself with. I have two perfectly good fists to do that. It is just a cultural difference, general people are not that interested in guns over here.
Posted Jan-13-2013 ByDarxider (40.78) Darxider View Channel Send Message
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@Darxider
Kinda sad that you have to have permission (A license) to simply own a .22LR.
Good platform btw. I've had one since I've been 16.
BTW, I agree with you. I talk little of my guns normally as they are just tools.
However, my wife does not have my fists, so I gave her some additional "tools" to use while I am not home.
The media makes it sound like everyone in the US are gun fanatics. That is not the case. There are regular people here. Some have guns, some don't. And I More..
Posted Jan-13-2013 Bywharris (2245.42) 
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@wharris but the USA has a cooperate tax rate of 40% and the uk 28%.
Posted Jan-13-2013 ByHailToTheSkunk (312.30) 
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Its not the "guns" its our culture , even if u take the guns away we will be stabbing each other to death with tooth picks.
Posted Jan-13-2013 Byfa2ality (104.00) 
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"Are you going to keep long in denial U.S.A?"
Yes, yes they are, just read the comments
Posted Jan-13-2013 Bydirtyarris (173.70) dirtyarris View Channel Send Message
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all bollocks...all these stats used by all the trolls on here are shit...
If the Yanks want thier guns and are ok with the deathrate ..then fine...if we are ok with stabbings etc then fine..fuck off with all this shit...UK is NOT the most violent in Europe and Yankland is not the worst for gun deaths in the world...nothings gonna change, except stupid cunts here will believe anything if its rammed down thier throats enough times...ffs people..get a fucking life!
Posted Jan-13-2013 Bybran (593.38) 
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@bran Wow someone with sense, not used to that on LL
Posted Jan-13-2013 ByBOMBBOMBIRAN (824.96) 
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More people in America spend time in the outdoors.Majority of people in Britain hide behind their doors in fear of going out, especially in Cities and Large Towns.
Posted Jan-13-2013 BySense and Logic (239.10) Sense and Logic View Channel Send Message
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@Sense and Logic you think we have more coach potatos in the uk?
Posted Jan-13-2013 ByHailToTheSkunk (312.30) 
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@Sense and Logic
Those US gun stats are 90% black on black drug on drug,poor on poor issues.
It has little to do with law abiding citizens who have firearms secured properly...
These ARE gun hunnting accidents but PETA isn't concerned about the animals in question
Posted Jan-13-2013 ByAiredale (2615.06) 
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@Airedale http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html
Posted Jan-13-2013 Bybuoymarker (573.50) 
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@buoymarker Thanks for the link.............."The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, according to new research".....Britains law abiding citizens need guns to defend themselves.
Posted Jan-13-2013 BySense and Logic (239.10) Sense and Logic View Channel Send Message
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@Sense and Logic We dont,as no one has any to attack us with and the criminals only fight each other.
Posted Jan-13-2013 ByFreakster (448.10) 
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Cherry picking statistics.
Posted Jan-13-2013 ByTMoray1 (735.66) 
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The U.S. doesn't make the top 37 countries in murders:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
The Brits are right behind the states in crime... even though their population pales in comparison:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime
Posted Jan-13-2013 Bykkoppy (55.60) 
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@kkoppy Crime is rampant in Britain.
Posted Jan-13-2013 Bymael85 (349.82) 
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Nice cherry picked graph. It looks pretty, but doesn't show the 62 other countries many of which have total gun bans that are far ahead of the US in Murder rate. It also does not show which percentage of these homicides is classed as "justifiable", you know people who used the gun to protect their lives.
Source: The information from the UN. Read the data yourself, don't let some blogger summarize it for you.
http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/crime/Homicid More..
Posted Jan-13-2013 ByProfessorWho (145.00) 
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I love how the people who have never resided, voted for, or defended America know what's best for it...
Posted Jan-13-2013 ByThe Black Orchestra (155.40) 
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@The Black Orchestra im sorry but what makes America different from other democratic countries besides your insain gun homocide rate.
Posted Jan-13-2013 Byzyprezz (14.70) 
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@zyprezz
ITs not that high, the numbers, as always are fudged to serve an agenda..
Notice there are a few countries missing on there like Briton, France.. and a few others, who despite their strick gun laws, have much worse numbers than the US.
I could just as easily make the same chart, but only list countries that have HIGHER murder rates than the US, and say "look how good guns are"
Besides, the UK is a muslim country now, apples and oranges.
Posted Jan-13-2013 ByNothingisfree (350.70) 
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@zyprezz
Did I say America was any different anywhere above? You don't live here, so why be so concerned?
Posted Jan-13-2013 ByThe Black Orchestra (155.40) 
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@Nothingisfree Thats a bit like saying the USA is a mexican country.
Posted Jan-13-2013 ByFreakster (448.10) 
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@The Black Orchestra
it's called freedom of speech and from my point of view guns should not be allowed in society since we don't live in a anarchy from my perspective the police, hunters, and marines should be the only people who were allowed to own a gun all your crazy "stand your gound" or "consealed carry" only promotes paranoia
Posted Jan-13-2013 Byzyprezz (14.70) 
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every legal gun owner should turn their guns in.problem solved .if you agree you are an idiot.
keeping mine
Posted Jan-13-2013 Byoutsidelooknn (1098.30) 
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over all...the uk is more violent... http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2013/jan/11/male-female-rape-statistics-graphic
A breakdown of the statistics, which were compiled into league tables by the Conservatives, revealed that violent crime in the UK had increased from 652,974 offences in 1998 to more than 1.15 million crimes in 2007.
It means there are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the UK, making it the most violent place in Europe.
Austria is second, with a ra More..
Posted Jan-13-2013 Bybuoymarker (573.50) 
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@buoymarker so what, America is a safe haven or what's your point, lol?
Posted Jan-13-2013 ByBCAA (287.50) 
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@BCAA instead of being the victim....shoot the aggressor
Posted Jan-13-2013 Bybuoymarker (573.50) 
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@buoymarker Now go compare what constitutes a "violent crime" in every country and redo this exercise. Oh wait, it'll show that you're wrong so don't.
Posted Jan-13-2013 Bylethe (171.70) 
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@BCAA I think his point, and I could be wrong, is that based off your violent crime data maybe a people who are far more violent than us should focus more on cleaning up their own house before lecturing the United States on what we should do with ours.
Posted Jan-13-2013 ByProfessorWho (145.00) 
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@ProfessorWho this post was about the gun related murders in the states and other developed countries, so I don't know why we should start discussing pick-pockets and barfights within this discussion
Posted Jan-13-2013 ByBCAA (287.50) 
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so we are a little ambitious over here we want to be in the lead in all things.
Posted Jan-13-2013 Byhammsbeer (75.00) 
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It came from a blog on the internet.....it MUST be true!
Apparently the idiot who put those stats together doesn't know the difference between "murder" and "justifiable homicide". He lumped is all together. The word "homicide" is NOT synonymous with the word "murder".
Posted Jan-13-2013 ByArrestU (566.08) 
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@ArrestU
It must be Pierce Morgan.
Posted Jan-13-2013 Bycaddy56 (500.54) caddy56 View Channel Send Message
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Fuck that!
There are over 315 million people in the US , the gun crime statistics are negligible at best , to the amount of firearms owners there here in the states.
Why punish 97 % of the gun owners in this country , for the stupidity of a tiny few.
Banning guns will do absolutely nothing to change these stats , it will stimulate them to rise.
It will however give the government a monopoly over deadly coercive force , and make all Americans subject to guaranteed absolute tyranny!
Posted Jan-13-2013 ByRustRocket (1409.60) 
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@RustRocket thats the liberal british way....thats why they have failed in every other aspect of society...read my comment and you can find the links to the most violent developed country in the world..next to brazil, the uk is up there in violent crime
Posted Jan-13-2013 Bybuoymarker (573.50) 
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@buoymarker
Thanks , I am already aware of these statistics.
Posted Jan-13-2013 ByRustRocket (1409.60) 
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@RustRocket I never heard anything about banning all guns.
What's with all the drama and overreacting?
Posted Jan-13-2013 Byshuttlespace (941.44) 
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@shuttlespace
The second amendment shall not be infringed.
Give this corrupt government an inch , and they will take a mile!
Posted Jan-13-2013 ByRustRocket (1409.60) 
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@RustRocket Oh god, listen to you. You sound just like Alex Jones.
This US against THEM mentality is what starts unrest.
Yeah I know, leave our guns and our 2nd amendment blah blah blah
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