Yaron Answers: Should Government Provide Emergency Relief?
Another educational clip on capitalism vs socialism. This time looking at Charity.
Somethings to ponder "Why is it moral to serve the happiness of others, but not your own?
If enjoyment is a value, why is it moral when experienced by others, but immoral when experienced by you?
"If you are selfless and virtuous when you give" charity, are those who receive it "not selfish and vicious when they take it?" - Ayn Rand
Yaron Brook answers a question from Evan: "Should government provide emergency relief, such as food after a tsunami?"
http://www.laissezfaireblog.com
Added: Sep-17-2012 Occurred On: Sep-17-2012
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Suppose the world and governments were made up of people like you.
There would be no charity at all.
I don't believe extremes are the solution and yes, I consider hard core libertarians extreme.
I like their foreign policy but not their domestic policy.
If we slashed out military we could well afford to take care of our own people and I believe that is the "moral" thing to do.
Many hands make quick work.
To trust people who are upset that the government uses a small portion of their ta More..
Posted Sep-17-2012 ByTongueboy (3132.94) Tongueboy View Channel Send Message
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@Tongueboy What everyone these days seems to be missing is that there is a middle ground.
It just appears no one is willing to walk into it and talk about it.
Posted Sep-17-2012 ByTongueboy (3132.94) Tongueboy View Channel Send Message
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@Tongueboy in a time when government wasn't involved in relief, private people founded the red cross charity and other charities, some of which are still around today. your reasoning is flawed
Posted Sep-17-2012 Byjohn_b (369.68) 
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@Tongueboy Your hatred of men is patently obvious. You endorse that charity only works at the point of a gun. Your morality is corrupt because your morality is derived from using force. It is not voluntary it is compulsary, therefore your charity is non-existant by default.
Posted Sep-17-2012 ByRebel_Radius (1528.12) 
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@Tongueboy "Suppose the world and governments were made up of people like you.
There would be no charity at all." - Complete and utter BS. When was the last time you personally gave your time or your money to a charitable effort, I do so every weekend. Those who are most helped by Government running these programs is not the needy but the Bureaucrats who get nice cushy jobs.
Posted Sep-17-2012 Bymdscorpio71 (1119.02) 
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@Duckmanlivesagain what do you mean "gained a foothold in america" ?
it was used for over 100 years in since americas founding and it seemed to work just fine.
Posted Sep-17-2012 Byjohn_b (369.68) 
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@Duckmanlivesagain
You sound like arm chair liberal sitting waiting for your dole cheque to arrive
Posted Sep-17-2012 Byrotflcopter (69.00) 
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@john_b Why do you think we evolved all those social programs? Because we decided as a society that we wanted more from our country than to have to live on the edge of death at any given time.
Posted Sep-17-2012 BySaros (857.70) 
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@Duckmanlivesagain I agree. This country is hopeless man. We've reached terminal stupidity and I want out.
Posted Sep-17-2012 BySaros (857.70) 
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That's Atlas shrugging right there.
Posted Sep-17-2012 Bybeer foot (93.60) beer foot View Channel Send Message
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Straight shooter. There didn't used to be such a welfare state, people took responsibility for themselves and their choices. Government is already too big.
Posted Sep-17-2012 Byrotflcopter (69.00) 
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Did Trickle-Down economics work?
'If you feed the horse enough oats, some will pass through to the road for the sparrows.'
Posted Sep-17-2012 Bywhatduh (448.56) 
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@whatduh
Considering tax cuts were instituted for 'rich people' during the Reagan years, and 16 million new jobs were created by the end of his presidency, yeah.
It does work.
Posted Sep-17-2012 Bycswartz (1161.90) 
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@cswartz LMAO. Did you look at the national debt during his administration. He was creating jobs by spending borrowed money, just like almost every other president in the modern era. Yes, Obama is bad too.
Posted Sep-17-2012 Byedfmaniac (107.50) edfmaniac View Channel Send Message
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Yes, it increased to over two trillion dollars.
That being said, there were now 16 million new taxpayers to help pay it off, not to mention that those 16 million people are now self-sufficient and no longer have any use for government safety nets (which you can now cut).
Posted Sep-17-2012 Bycswartz (1161.90) 
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@edfmaniac COrrect, almost. Reagan didn't barrow money to buy all sorts of new things and expand gov't exponentially. He barrowed money to pay the bills since he gave everyone else a tax releif.
Posted Sep-17-2012 Bygammyland (511.32) gammyland View Channel Send Message
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@whatduh Does taxing more make things work better???......no. Everytime we've increased taxes..we've seen a DECLINE in tax revenue!!!!!!!!!
Posted Sep-17-2012 Bygammyland (511.32) gammyland View Channel Send Message
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So repeal medicare, welfare, social security, anything social. Repeal all of it. We're all on our own. Back to the wild west of the early 1800s. Paradise on earth.
Posted Sep-17-2012 BySaros (857.70) 
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@Saros Think about that for a second.. actually take a few minutes. Would those who run hospitals, insurance companies etc...all of a sudden NOT want to make money??? Or would the private industry see a rebirth of innovation to make it work?? I have no doubt that things would dip down, but I believe it would bounce back twice as good.
Posted Sep-17-2012 Bygammyland (511.32) gammyland View Channel Send Message
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@gammyland Yeah it would be great. Grannies eating cans of dog food. The poor and crippled begging for food in the streets. Just like many 3rd world countries without any social safety nets. Beautiful capitalist paradise. I'm all for it man. Keep your money, those who don't make as much, fuck 'em. Who gives a shit. Survival of the fittest. We want the strongest possible nation on earth; the poor, crippled, and old can struggle and pull themselves up by their bootstraps or fuck off and d More..
Posted Sep-17-2012 BySaros (857.70) 
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@Saros You saying that you wouldn't help your own grandmother? You wouldn't help your neighbor??... maybe the "poor" would actually go out and work instead of staying home an collecting a free paycheck. Cash assistance in my state equals out to about 35 hours a week at minimum wage.... why work 35 hours a week when the gov't will give you than money for free!!!!!!!???
Posted Sep-18-2012 Bygammyland (511.32) gammyland View Channel Send Message
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@gammyland Well, the government could put those people to work picking up trash and paving roads, but that would be a socialist expansion of big government.
Why should *I* help them?? If the government won't help them, why should I? Let capitalism thrive -- those that can compete in the marketplace eat, those who cant, fuck 'em.
Posted Sep-18-2012 BySaros (857.70) 
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@Saros Well here is where trickle down economics works.. I pay over 20k a year in taxes. Would love new windows, new roof. Wood burner. Stuff I have to save up for over time.... if I had that money, and the gov't didn't spend it for me, I could buy them. Would need to pay people to install them..i.e. more jobs, more people working, more people paying taxes, more gov't revenue. Unfortunately our gov't thinks it knows how to spend our money better than we do.
Posted Sep-19-2012 Bygammyland (511.32) gammyland View Channel Send Message
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How are those interstate highways and aviation infrastructures working out for you there buddy? Wanna pay toll road fees every time you leave your driveway or have your airline fees double and triple because airlines would actually have to pay ALL of the costs of operating and maintaining a multinational air traffic control network? That's what would happen in your capitalist utopia. How about another $2000 or $3000 dollars a year added onto your mortgage for access to emergency fire department More..
Posted Sep-17-2012 Byedfmaniac (107.50) edfmaniac View Channel Send Message
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IDIOT. Hope he gets in a real emergency sometimes and the governemt helper refuese to help him. The government has the money and other means to have all neccessary gear and people on standby in case something happens. Companies can not do this, because they need to make profit.
Posted Sep-17-2012 Byhhhhhaaaaa (273.04) hhhhhaaaaa View Channel Send Message
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This guy is a classic case of how ideology rots your brain.
Posted Sep-17-2012 ByIntellectual (771.64) Intellectual View Channel Send Message
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