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This is Stupid: Canadian Study Says Spanking Kids Can Cause Long-Term Harm

I must be stupid....


Posted Thursday, February 9, 2012 - 1:54pm by Kimberly Seals Allers

I don’t spank my kids. Mostly because
I don’t have to. Other forms of discipline work for them thus far. But
I’ve never ruled it out of my parenting toolbox. If one of my children
refused to respond to other forms of discipline, I would try spanking.



That is, unless I believe a new Canadian study
that says spanking kids can cause long-term developmental damage and
may even lower a child's IQ. And just so we are clear, I don’t believe
this study.



The study, published this week in the
Canadian Medical Association Journal, reached its conclusion after
examining 20 years of published research on the issue. So this is
research based on research??



The authors, with the Children's
Hospital of Eastern Ontario in Ottawa, say the medical findings have
been largely overlooked and overshadowed by concerns that parents should
have the right to determine how their children are disciplined. They
cite research showing that physical punishment makes children more
aggressive and anti-social—which is interesting because when I see a kid
in the supermarket cursing out his mother, kicking her repeatedly in
the leg and knocking over store displays, the first thing that comes to
mind is, “Yep, that mother is probably spanking that child!” Don’t you?



No. In fact, we think just the opposite.





The study also said spanking can
cause cognitive impairment and developmental difficulties. Recent
studies suggest it may reduce the brain's grey matter in areas relevant
to intelligence testing, the study’s authors said.



"What people have realized is that
physical punishment doesn't only predict aggression consistently, it
also predicts internalizing kinds of difficulties, like depression and
substance use," said Durant.



Wow. Seriously, these are the kind of
broad generalizations and leaps of academic faith that have made us all
doubt “studies.” I’ve only dabbled in the academic research world but
even I know that correlation does not equal causation. Maybe these kids
were sitting in front of the TV watching The Simpsons for hours every
day, that’s likely to be more impactful on their aggressiveness than an
occasional spanking.



Meanwhile, every day we are told one
study says do this to make your child smart, eat this to lower
cholesterol, another says eat that to lower blood pressure, another says
eat nothing to live longer—we are in study overload to the point where
we are confused, tuned out and more likely to believe other sources than
so-called “studies” from our academic brain(fart) trusts.



One of these other sources is called reality. Not the TV version. The real life examples of real people we know and love.





For example, I was raised in a home
were spanking occurred. My mother or father would lovingly sit us down,
explain why we were going to get spanked (it had to be a doosie!), tell
you it was because they loved you and lead you to the spanking area.
Afterward, they hugged you and told you they loved you again.



In first grade, my IQ tested so high,
I was shipped across town to the gifted school. Throughout my
elementary, junior high and high schools years I won several district
and city-wide spelling bees, storytelling contests and tennis
tournaments. All while being raised in a home where spanking took place.
I attended New York University and later graduate school at Columbia
University, with nary a trace of the “developmental difficulties and
cognitive impairment” that should have come from being spanked as a
child. Perhaps I masked it with the substance use I was supposed to
develop.



At the end of the day, I am glad my
parents used spanking as one of, not their only, corrective tool. I
believe I am a better person for it. Spanking can be effective and even
necessary for some kids.



Which brings me to my final point.
The fundamental problem with these studies is that nobody defines what
spanking is. Are we talking about a few pops on the butt of a toddler? A
few licks of the belt on the bottom of a big kid? Or are we talking
about beating a defenseless child to an extreme? I’m sure we don’t need
to spend any money on studies to prove that the latter is not good for
any child or parent.


Added: Feb-12-2012 Occurred On: Feb-12-2012
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  • Exactly why we have a bunch of little evil bastards that don't respect or appreciate anything running around. These kids now days spend their whole lives not having consequences for doing anything, then we wonder why they can't act like adults when they come of age. They are lazy and all think the world owes them something for nothing. That's why most young people are obviously liberal. Liberals would love it if spanking was outlawed so they could have more useful idiots at their disposal.

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    • @bighouse2025 You nailed it. Kids need discipline, and limits, and sometimes they need their ass whipped to get the point across. Cry all you want, but there are some lines I'll never cross again because I learned the lesson at the end of a belt. And I don't mean abuse. I always got my ass whipped for a very good reason...lessons were always remembered. Nothing wrong with testing boundaries...it's human nature, but knowing where to draw the line is crucial, and knowing there are consequences fo More..

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    • @bighouse2025 What an utterly dumb generalization. It's too bad you never learned to think for yourself.

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    • @BigPedro You don't agree with me, so I can't think for myself? What an utterly dumb generalization.....

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  • Beating your kids will cause long term harm. Spanking within reason isn't abuse.

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    • @ggppgg I will add this though, The video of that judge who belted his daughter from a while back really pissed a lot of people off. Some people claim that belting their kids is how it aught to be cause thats how they do things in their family. Well that's sort of like the same crowd who say pitbulls are just the greatest dogs to have around kids and how everyone just over reacts. Child abuse is fucked up and a crime.

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    • @ggppgg yeah, that guy was just acting out of emotion and not reason. Spanking after about the age of 5 just doesn't work. They come to an age where reason works better.

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  • i was beaten like rented mule as a kid, and look at me now... posting on LL. case in point basically

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  • I have always said that an occasional smack on the hind end of a child, delivered by a sober, loving parent, is totally needed by almost every child at one point or another.

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  • I've had to spank each of my children only twice. Putting that fear into them has great results and that's exactly why kids these days are as disrespectful as they are is because of not putting that fear into them. I remember my mom only dished out a few on myself and four older brothers and the mere mention of dad scared the hell out of us and he never spanked us once. Yep, a spanking indeed had long term effects on us. It taught us to be more respectful so is that a bad thing? I think not.

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  • Lets just say having a father who was a Texan and a Marine sure keep my ass in line.

    The last time I swatted one of my kids rear-end was before school in the 3rd grade for being disrespectful to me and her mother (foul mouth), she told her teacher and we were paid a visit by CPS. No charges, but made to feel like a criminal by the Sheriff and CPS.

    Different times we live in now!

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  • More liberal bs.. I am glad they are almost dead here.

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  • So our ancestors were all mistaken?
    Why is it that the latest generation thinks that they have all the answers?
    Look at the feral gangs roaming the streets of American cities.
    The case can be made that not spanking leads to savages.

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  • Spare the rod and spoil the child..

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  • I was only spanked a few times as a kid (All I fucking needed that was for sure, I learned right quick) But it was only when I had done something extremely out of line. Now there are parents who use spanking for every form of punishment, which is out of line. My Dad(the one who gave me spanking) witnessed one such parent completely hauling off on his kid's behind out in public and the kid's face was just devoid of emotion like this was a routine thing, that's not discipline that's poor parenting More..

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  • The idiots who came up with this "study" were never spanked enough when they were kids.

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  • Its good that you don't spank your children. What the report really suggests is that parents that spank their kids are stupid and their kids inherit the stupidness.

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  • What a crock of shit.

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  • Spare the rod and spoil the child....enough said

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  • Not all kids need to be spanked, but all kids need the threat of spanking in their lives - just like all adults need to have the threat of going to jail. Listening to these studies or the Jew Spock tell us how to raise kids is like listening to the homosexual pervert Kinsey tell us what is normal sexual behavior. What do you expect from Canada: spanking a kid = bad for the brain, smoking pot = good for the brain..

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  • So... like half the internets has been spanked I guess.

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  • lol no one cares about your opinions sir, from your tone it sounds like you have been spanked a bit yourself. Only a dumb person would categorize this as a 'liberal study' because we live in a 21st century where spanking is not necessary. Your kids are not animals and your hick parents were too busy bitching about democrats to pay attention to you. There are other ways of teaching you kids how to behave.

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  • Its really interesting to see how folks respond to media reported science. First, if the results in anyway differ from their world view the work is simply wrong. "I can see pretty damn far, so the world is flat, regardless of that picture from outer space." If the results agree with a world view than "naysayers are lugnuts who don't understand science and ignore facts." Second, it seems like folks see a media report on science the same way they view and op-ed piece...its ju More..

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  • I have not read the study, but if it, indeed, does not properly define "spanking", it's a big mistake. The poster says his was a household where spankings were only given when you "did a doosie"- I have seen families where children were "hit" into doing things, more than being "told" what to do- what's the "norm"? Until these definitions are hammered out, I can't see how a proper scientific study can be done. I know a lot of people get "stud More..

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  • what are canadians worried about spanking children? they should be worried about their igloos melting.

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  • Disciple is the sole prerogative of the parents. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with your government or government sponsored child nazi's.

    You bring YOUR child up the way you see fit.

    There is one reason and one reason only that the government order's you to do what it says with your child. And that is because the government owns your child and you sign your child into a legal bondage when you complete a birth certificate. The government uses your birth certificate as a means of raising mo More..

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  • My parents never spanked me and I turned out GGGRRRREEEEAAATT!!

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  • Studies aren't stupid. It's the way the news media reports them. And you're stupid for believing the news media.

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  • I used to work in a special needs children's home & we were allowed to use corporal punishment.
    My own criteria for using it were:
    1. The child had to understand his or her wrong doing.
    2. That it was going to make a difference to the child's behaviour.
    3. I decided to avoid using corporal punishment if I was even the tiniest bit annoyed.
    So I worked there for years. Never once hit a child.
    Only the worst staff used it. Fuck I wish I had whistleblown those child beating fuckers at the time. More..

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