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New Zealand PM: Increased police access to guns inevitable

As a comment I find increased arming of New Zealand police to be a very bad move.

The attached image is of specialist NZ Police deployed when there is a problem. I fully support that.

As a former New Zealander I live in Western Australia where there is a huge divide between the Police and the citizens. The police are armed. The citizens not. This is in contrast to New Zealand where the Police are almost never armed and citizens can carry arms in a reasonable way. The West Australian Police are a separate nation. They are continually hostile to citizens and enforce this with their guns, their tazers, and laws that give them almost unlimited rights to abuse citizens. There is no comeback when the Police rule every activity and the courts are set up to protect them.

The West Australian story is that police guns are used disproportionally and many people who would otherwise have been dealt with in a reasonable manner are now dead.

A specialist and restrained group of police marksmen is a necessity - as is seen in New Zealand. General arming simply means more deaths.

Here is the sad story from New Zealand


It is inevitable that police officers' access to firearms will increase, Prime Minister John Key says.

However, he questioned whether it would make them safer, saying individuals would still have to make the call to "take that gun out of their holster and, ultimately, whether they use it".

Mr Key's comments followed Police Commissioner Howard Broad today presenting Police Minister Judith Collins with a draft report on training more police to use firearms and placing more firearms in more police vehicles.

Mr Broad said more police should have access to handguns while on routine patrol but that no decision had been made on exactly which vehicles would carry the guns in lock boxes.

He and Mrs Collins said it was not necessary to arm all police.

But Mr Key said the Government needed to make sure police were safer - something highlighted by the brutal machete attack on Taihape Senior Constable Bruce Mellor at the weekend.

"... there's no question we are making an inevitable move towards more police officers having access to firearms," he said.

"Whether that will actually make them safer, I think the jury's out on that because it's one thing for a police officer to have access to a firearm, it's another issue for them to make the right call about whether they actually take that gun out of there holster and ultimately about whether they use it."

Mr Key said he would be cautious about the wholesale arming of police, "where every police officer in New Zealand walks round with a gun on their hip".

"I don't believe that's a step in the right direction and I think it would fundamentally change the relationship between police and the New Zealand public," he said

"For a start off, it's more intimidating when you see a police officer with a weapon. That's certainly my experience in living overseas, and seeing that kind of environment."

Mr Broad today said he was discussing with the minister issues around double-crewing - pairing up police for routine patrols.

Mrs Collins, who yesterday described as "horrendous" and "utterly sickening" the attack on Mr Mellor, said she would read the report and have further discussions with cabinet colleagues and police officials.

The minister and her commissioner signalled that rural police officers in patrol cars were most likely to receive extra guns.

Police could have guns with them, kept in a box in their vehicle's boot, but Mr Broad had been looking at a policy change where they could be kept within hand reach in the vehicle.

He said today the changes would remove requirements for police to get authorisation and set up cordons before weapons could be used. He wanted guns available in frontline vehicles: cars used for incident patrols, crime and inquiries.

Mrs Collins said the policy change had been in train for some time and was not a "knee-jerk" reaction to the attack on Mr Mellor.

Nine police officers have been shot in the past two years -- two fatally -- and Police Association president Greg O'Connor has called on Mr Broad to authorise every front-line patrol car to carry a Glock pistol in a locked gun safe between the driver and passenger.

Green MP Keith Locke said New Zealand's tradition of a largely unarmed police force should be jealously guarded.

"The Greens favour double-crewing police cars in isolated areas as a better response than providing individual officers guns in locked boxes," he said.

Guns would not necessarily protect officers in rural areas, particularly if criminals armed themselves in response.


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Added: Dec-13-2010 Occurred On: Dec-13-2010
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  • Comment of user 'nurdmyth' has been deleted by author (after account deletion)!
    • hate to differ, but small amounts of booze (say one can of fullstrength beer) significantly improve weapons aiming. This is why alcohol is a banned drug in the Olympics. Not because it's dangerous, but because it improves performance.

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    • As a general safety precaution I don't think it wise to mix guns and any amount of alcohol. Just not a good idea. In fact, I won't go hunting or to the range with anybody who I suspect or know has been drinking. I don't trust people.

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  • First they want guns. Then, when that's not enough, they want military style weapons, armored vehicles, and helicopters. After that they kick in peoples doors and take them away in the middle of the night.

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  • Police should never be routinely armed. They are civil servants, not a militia.

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    • Your pish comments have no meaning to me. You're what Hitler described as a "non-human".

      Go conjure up some miracles, then maybe firemen wouldn't need hoses and people wouldn't get burned to death. Oh wait, just a minute, it's your piss filthy god that creates all this pain and suffering anyway, eh?

      You have Westboro loyalty card, ya freak.

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  • You should never allow retards with a superiority complex to have a gun. Especially the rejects from the UK police force who immigrated here and joined the NZ police....

    No guns, no tasers, thanks.


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  • Nz police need to learn to drive before they play with guns

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  • Currnetly when 'Armed' police in New Zealand confront the suspect...the suspect is shot Dead.

    Nearly always a kill shot. Rarely will the suspect survive.

    For some reason they cant seem to shoot to incapacitate?

    Though I agree NZ police should be armed, it would be a better deterent to determined criminals not to take the next step.

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    • thats because there is no such thing as 'shoot to incapacitate'. guns are lethal weapons and when drawn, are always used with the intent to kill the target. to survive being shot is to be considered lucky, not expected.

      if you want to incapacitate someone you use tasers, pepperspray or teargas, not guns.

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    • The Armed Offender Squad - or whatever they're called nowadays almost never fire a shot when called out.

      And it's not true they never miss. The Aramona massacre had multiple police shots fired over some time. The Napier siege ditto - and that ended with suicide.

      And what about the courier who was shot by police by accident in Auckland?

      The arguments for not generally arming police include

      - It creates a barrier between police and citizens
      - The average cop is a lousy shot - even worse becaus More..

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    • Only because the NZ police eat the targets.

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  • when sheep attack.

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